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Old 2nd May 2012, 20:53   #106
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Re: Overfilling of Diesel - Scam

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There is switch in the Fuel Pipe near the opening. When pressed it releases the air from the tank and that makes space for more diesel. It does the same job as shaking the car . Now filling diesel for than the capacity sounds strange but in my case I guess Vento has a capacity of 55 litres. I have filled 60 litres. So I guess the manufacturers qoute capaicity till the Cut off point only.
Thanks for posting this. I had got my Skoda rapid's tank filled a couple of weeks back. The MID was showing that the tank was at a point between 1/2 and 3/4, which makes it roughly 62.5% Auto shut off came in at about 15-16 litres, but I asked him to fill upto the brim. The tank took some 22 litres and could have filed in more, if I had not asked him to stop at 1000/- Rs.
So now that explains it. The pump is also a trusted and recommended pump in Bangalore. (The IOC adjacent to Bowring Club on St. Marks road), so cheating is highly improbable.
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Old 11th May 2012, 22:33   #107
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Re: How much more fuel can a car take after Autocut?

My Alto K10 can take as good as 3 ltrs of petrol,but as I want to inform you guys that it takes in more of 1 ltr if the attendent is asked to fill petrol on first CLICK of lever which is pressed for the flow of petrol.
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Old 10th August 2012, 15:04   #108
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Re: How much more fuel can a car take after Autocut?

I took the delivery of a new Pulsar 180 on 2nd Aug '12 with 1 ltr(3 km on ODO) petrol given by the dealer, he filled in front of me. Moved on and filled petrol worth Rs.100(1.3 ltrs.) at BTM layout(Bharat Petroleum,near Udupi Garden) as I didn't trust it but had to go till Marathalli.

Again filled up to the brim near Club HP,Cosmos Mall,Whitefield. The tank ate up 15.8 ltrs. of fuel(Rs.1194) and petrol was almost till the brim. The ODO reading was 25 kms.

Now my question is, can a Pulsar tank hold 18 ltrs. of petrol when the manual says capacity as 15 ltrs or was I cheated? If cheated, can it be as high as 3 ltrs in 15 ltrs refuelled?

I have been filling in the same pump always as it is on my way to office. Earlier I had a similar incident in my older bike,a '04 P150(18 ltrs tank capacity). I had filled in Rs.700 worth of petrol(little more than 10 ltrs), just after touching reserve and covered < 200 kms. I tanked up to the brim and it took in 13+ ltrs again.
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Re: How much more fuel can a car take after Autocut?

Can a “New Maruti Dzire Ldi/Vdi/Zdi”, Owners comment, as to what is the maximum fuel tank capacity (42 liter’s), when fuel top up is done after auto cutoff ?
I have had a very odd experience, which makes me believe that I've been cheated by HP bunk on Kasturba road, Bangalore opposite Mac Donald’s.
This was new car delivered, which I believe had some diesel (2-3 liter’s), before I got the delivery the Pratham folks topped up 5 litres with a measure container.
I drove the vehicle in the city, where the displayed fuel average was around 15 kmpl, I drove approx. 30 kms and then went for a full tank.
The HP bunk folks filled 41 liter’s, when I tried to argue they said its common and they have seen the cars easily take 5-6 liter’s more than specifications.
As per my calculations, the car had 2-3 liters fuel (As per the Pratham SA), then a 5 liter’s top-up.
A drive of 30km I should have had at-least 5 liters of fuel.
Dzire capacity is 42 liters, wondering how it can take 41 liters, even with approx. 5 liter’s ?
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40-litre i20 Elite fuel tank can take up to 52: Test

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THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: A fuel station at Attipra allegedly filled 49 litres of diesel in a car, which has a fuel tank capacity of 45 litres.
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IT professional Anish Joy Chirapparambil said he and his friend took the car—a Hyundai i20 Elite—to tank up at an Indian Oil Corporation (IOC) retailer, located along National Highway-66 at Attipra on April 7. The men were surprised to see that the fuel station attendant had filled 49 litres.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...elated_Stories
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On Thursday, the car and the fuel pump were tested by IOC and legal metrology officials. "The fuel tank of the vehicle was emptied. The vehicle was then towed to the dispensing unit from which the complainant had previously filled on April 7, 2018. The delivery to the fuel tank was done in the presence of police officers, the complainant, other software professionals, local public and IOC officials," a clarification from IOC said.

"It was found that 52.14 litres could be filled in the fuel tank when filled to the brim. This was witnessed by the complainant as well as the general public which had assembled. IndianOil has also checked the automation logs of the outlet for April 7, 2018 and the particular transaction for 49.1 litres at 5:52 hours could also be traced," the clarification from IOC said.
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Legal metrology department officials said that they had visited the petrol pump and conducted an inspection of the meter. ''We found that the led wire seal of the meter wasn't tampered with and the measurements were accurate," said legal metrology assistant controller F Jaya.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/64120171.cms

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Re: 40-litre i20 Elite fuel tank can take up to 52: Test

So in this particular case, if the test was done on only the tank, then the actual setup in the car - tank PLUS the in-let pipe can take more than the 52 litres. Assuming that the tank was close to empty, it is quite possible that 49 litres was legit.

On an another note, I have seen notices in bunks that the capacity mentioned for a vehicle is not the exact one, but quite indicative. And hence customers should consider the quantity filled, accordingly.
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Old 11th May 2018, 23:39   #112
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Try owner's manual of first gen Ford Figo. It is mentioned clearly on one of the cover pages (Do not remember if it was front or back) that the fuel tank capacity is not calibrated.
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Old 29th May 2018, 06:32   #113
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51 litres of diesel in a 42-litre car tank? It's possible!

A consumer complaint has led to investigation that revealed that manufacturer claimed capacity is different from actual tank capacity
Further reading : https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/64359342.cms
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Old 29th May 2018, 06:42   #114
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Re: 51 litres of diesel in a 42-litre car tank? It's possible!

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A consumer complaint has led to investigation that revealed that manufacturer claimed capacity is different from actual tank capacity
Further reading : https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/64359342.cms
It's a well known fact that a vehicle's fuel tank can can hold a few extra liters. That's why manufacturers insist on filling 'only' till auto cut off (safe fill limit) and not the brim.
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Old 29th May 2018, 07:51   #115
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It's a well known fact
Well, general perception is that it can hold little extra, not whopping 21% extra!!
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Old 29th May 2018, 08:08   #116
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Re: 51 litres of diesel in a 42-litre car tank? It's possible!

My Bolero, which had a 55 litres rated capacity held 62 litres. Of course, this is filling up to the brim and not the auto cut-off capacity. Diesel tank was never empty but we had to remove the tank and clean it up. I noticed the holding capacity then while I was filling it.

This holds true for all vehicles.

Apart from the safe filling level manufacturers mention, which is bound to have space to hold more, the piping that leads to the tank itself may hold a litre or two depending upon how far the tank is from the mouth.

The DTE reading in such cases isn't accurate until the levels come down to the calibraion levels. My car, filled up to the brim showed 813 km for DTE. After travelling for more than 80 km it still showed 800 km. Only after fuel levels falling down to calibration levels did the DTE console showed figures in tandem to the kilometers run.

Once another user at diesel pump opined that one shouldnt fill it up that way as it hampers the flow of return diesel coming back into the tank. It sounded logically correct but I haven't noticed any adverse impact.
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Old 29th May 2018, 10:02   #117
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Re: How much more fuel can a car take after Autocut?

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Well, general perception is that it can hold little extra, not whopping 21% extra!!
Correct, but fuel pump calibration + extra fuel in the tank + a couple of liters in fuel lines/pipes can easily account for 7-8 liters extra.
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Old 29th May 2018, 10:24   #118
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Re: How much more fuel can a car take after Autocut?

I don't understand the logic behind filling up after the auto-cut. The system is in place for a reason. Unless one is traveling far off and remote with no guarantee of fuel station availability, what's the benefit of filling it up to the brim?

We used to shake our jeep like crazy to fill in that extra 2-3 litres of diesel but then that was back in 90's when you can't be sure of next fuel station location.
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Old 29th May 2018, 11:21   #119
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Re: How much more fuel can a car take after Autocut?

https://www.freep.com/story/life/201...ment/29269833/
Please stop filling at at the auto cut , always
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Re: How much more fuel can a car take after Autocut?

There is a serious need for customer education here.

Having spent more than twenty years in oil companies it never ceases to amaze me the things that customers do. The sad part is that in this case both the gas station attendants and managers are largely unaware of the hazards of filling the gasoline tank after the auto cut off. In India specifically, I have observed that the gas station attendants insist that the vehicle will take more gasoline and will proceed to overfill that not only creates a potential hazard for the customer but also causes pollution.

There is a multitude of reasons why this harmful but often all to common practice should be avoided:

1. When overfilled, gasoline can potentially spill and that’s not a good scenario because
a. Gasoline is flammable
b. It's hazardous. Gasoline is a very volatile concoction and expands with a rise in temperature therefore by overfilling you're creating a very dangerous situation
d. Spilled gasoline can seep into the ground and can potentially contaminate ground water

2. The gasoline is a lethal cocktail of more than a hundred harmful chemicals (yes there’s more to it than just crude oil) and its fumes are not only toxic but also carcinogenic.

3. You’re wasting your money; Once you hear the first click of the gas pump, in most cases, any gas you pump after that isn’t going into your car’s tank? You’re actually paying for gas that is filling up the hose, ready to be pumped into the next customer’s car. Any additional gas you try to pump into your tank may be drawn into the vapor line and fed back into the gas station’s storage tanks.

4. Most importantly, it can ruin your car. Gasoline needs room to expand, your tank needs extra room for that expansion. If you try to top off, the extra gasoline you’re trying to add may actually evaporate into your vehicle’s vapor recovery system. This can ruin the mechanism, making it work improperly, and cause your car to run less efficiently.
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