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Old 22nd August 2022, 11:14   #1
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Default 23-lakh Skoda Kushaq vs 41-lakh VW Tiguan | Is it a fair comparison?

Hi,

I am in the market for a new car and so far I have test driven the compass, octavia, tiguan and sat in my cousin's Kushaq.

We are a family of 4 and here are our preferences in descending order

1. Driving Dynamics and Performance
2. Safety and Comfort for 2 adults at the front and 2 growing kids at the back
3. Good suspension setup for Indian roads
4. Good interiors
5. Good music system

We have moved back to India 2 yrs back and want to now do long drives around India. Current car is a Honda Jazz iVtec - 2017

I have loved the Tiguan and the Octavia and they seem to be the frontrunner.
For now I am just comparing Tiguan to the Kushaq and cannot stop thinking

1. The Tiguan will cost approx 41 OTR and top end 1.5 Kushaq 23 L
2. I know Tiguan is in a different segment and is CKD which pushes its price to 40+
3. is the difference of 18 L really worth it? What will I miss if I go for top end Kushaq with respect to my points above.

The points of comparison will be size, engine, driveability, safety etc. I dont care a lot for tech features.

I know some of you will tell this is a weird comparison, but 18 L is big amount !

Appreciate your responses.
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Old 26th August 2022, 11:16   #2
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Default re: 23-lakh Skoda Kushaq vs 41-lakh VW Tiguan | Is it a fair comparison?

Not a fair comparison, yet cross-shopping across segments is more common than one might think. I know people who have cross-shopped many 20-lakh cars with 35-lakh ones, and 70-lakh cars with 1.2-crore models.

The Tiguan is a global product sold in more mature markets, not a cost-driven one like the Kushaq. Hence, the build, part quality, NVH, depth of engineering, finesse, safety etc. will all be superior to the Kushaq. Driving pleasure (2.0 TSI) & performance will be way better than the Kushaq, the Tiguan is a superb handler (stiff suspension) and its DQ381 DSG will in all likelihood be more reliable than the Kushaq's notorious destined-to-fail DQ200.

Whether that's worth it to you is something only you can decide. Personally though, if I was asked to pick between these two only, I'd go for the Kushaq as the Tiguan's ride quality is too bumpy for India. It's a major deal breaker. I value comfort & cannot live with a suspension like the Tiguan's.

If I had 40-lakhs in my pocket for a crossover, what I would really do is buy either the Kodiaq, Tucson, Carnival or Compass / Meridian Diesel AT. Would have recommended the 30-lakh XUV700 to you, truly an SUV that punches above its weight. But the waiting periods are insane for the fully loaded variant.

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The Tiguan uses a MacPherson strut suspension up front and a multi-link setup at the rear. The suspension feels too firm for Indian conditions. While owners who drive themselves might find the ride acceptable (it's better at the front), those sitting at the rear will definitely not be comfortable. They will complain. On the back seat, road imperfections come in easily at low speeds and on broken roads, it can get bone-jarring. Volkswagen should have softened it more for our kind of roads; we don't have blemish-free tarmac like Europe! You can also hear some suspension 'thuds' in the cabin. I must add that the poor ride quality is probably accentuated by the 18" rims and 235/55 profile tyres.

While the recommended tyre pressure is 36 PSI, the tyres on our test car were pumped up to 42 PSI. This made the ride very bumpy. We dropped it to 33 PSI all-round and things became better. The ride became more compliant, but still, we feel that the suspension is a level too firm for India. You simply feel too much of the road in the Tiguan.

As the speedometer climbs, ride quality does get better, but it still cannot be termed plush. As long as the expressway is smooth, there are no issues. Big & sharp bumps easily make their presence felt inside the cabin though. It's nowhere near the ride offered by something like the Citroen C5 Aircross. There is no comparison.

To sum it up, the Tiguan comes with a typical German suspension that gives it good road manners, but again, you feel bad roads. Potholes and broken surfaces are very evident inside the cabin. Owners will not appreciate this ride quality.

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Old 26th August 2022, 11:31   #3
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Default Re: 23-lakh Skoda Kushaq vs 41-lakh VW Tiguan | Is it a fair comparison?

There is absolutely no comparison between a watered down India specific product and a genuine international car. It’s like comparing your local small AC room hotel to a Taj property. From design to materials and specifications to powertrain to build quality to ride and handling to sheer execution, everything is better. Much better. If you have the budget for the Tiguan, go for it.
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Default Re: 23-lakh Skoda Kushaq vs 41-lakh VW Tiguan | Is it a fair comparison?

Purely from a price vs quality point of view, international models are worth the difference compared to highly localised cars. For instance, going from kushaq to Octavia is worth the premium. Octavia to Superb I am not so sure. I think there are very few international models without localisation sold in India - Tiguan by VW, Camry by Toyota, Tucson by Hyundai, etc. If finances permit, it’s definitely worth buying a car from these models compared to highly localised cars. OTH, localised cars offer great value. Kushaq 1.5 comes with an excellent drive train and well tuned suspension.

I am not sure about Tiguan as a car though. Like GTO mentioned, their rear seats (suspension, recline, cushioning, etc) don’t match the price.
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Default Re: 23-lakh Skoda Kushaq vs 41-lakh VW Tiguan | Is it a fair comparison?

Hey, could anybody highlight the tax differential between the two options?

In other words, if we were to remove the taxes from both options, what would be the base cost for each option ?

Hopefully, that perspective will be also helpful towards the decision making.
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Default Re: 23-lakh Skoda Kushaq vs 41-lakh VW Tiguan | Is it a fair comparison?

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In other words, if we were to remove the taxes from both options, what would be the base cost for each option ?
And how ? End of the day, we pay the On Road price. Total out-go what we consider in the cost of ownership and not the taxes. Or Insurance.
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Basically, it would be a reflection of the possible value that is added (base price) vs the taxes that are added to the arrive at the total cost.

As a simple example, a CBU with a base price (before taxes and freight) 30L would cost much higher than a similar domestically manufactured car with the same base price (before tax).

So in reality, exactly the same car me be available at a much higher price depending on the it's journey in the value chain.

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If I had 40-lakhs in my pocket for a crossover, what I would really do is buy either the Kodiaq, Tucson, Carnival or Compass / Meridian Diesel AT.
+1 to this.

I was looking forward to the 1.5TSI + DSG combo - had patiently waited for the VW 2.0 cars to launch since 2020. However, the reviews on this forum + multiple test drives and showroom visits have convinced me that the VW2.0 cars (as they stand currently) are not worth the 22 lakhs on road.

I have gone ahead booked the Jeep Compass Diesel AT and am waiting for delivery next week.
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Default Re: 23-lakh Skoda Kushaq vs 41-lakh VW Tiguan | Is it a fair comparison?

I feel that in order to truly gauge the value of a Tiguan you have to be closely associated with VW India's history. The Tiguan is essentially an offering from the international range while the Kushaq even though from the same family is an Indian product hence not really an Apple to Apple comparison. For me, the Tiguan is the modern day equivalent of a Passat or a Jetta as these cars too were taken from the global market and plonked into the Indian lineup of VW albeit with some differences.

In terms of safety, performance and overall build quality one simply can't compare with Tiguan with the Kushaq, it is leagues above the Kushaq! Do check out articles on the forum about the new Tiguan, should help clear some doubts.
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Default Re: 23-lakh Skoda Kushaq vs 41-lakh VW Tiguan | Is it a fair comparison?

Octavia suits most of your requirements, it has comfortable suspension and good performance.
Only thing to keep in mind is Skoda will stop production of Octavia and Superb from March 2023.
Other best option right now is Hyundai Tucson with much lesser waiting period compared to Skoda Kodiaq.
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Default Re: 23-lakh Skoda Kushaq vs 41-lakh VW Tiguan | Is it a fair comparison?

I'd recommend the Tiguan too, since you have the budget for it. Yes, the ride is stiff but livable.
On that note, try the Fortuner once as well (4x2 AT).
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I would recommend an XUV 700 if you can wait and if you want an international product go for the Kodiaq. It is high on interior quality and the same great 2.0 TSI under the hood.
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Default Re: 23-lakh Skoda Kushaq vs 41-lakh VW Tiguan | Is it a fair comparison?

If you have the budget, it should be Tiguan IMHO.
Regarding the stiff suspension on Tiguan, it is not 'black and white' in my experience. I have recently acquired a Tiguan Allspace and I was bit worried about the ride quality on broken surfaces. But little adjustment to the tire pressures made huge difference and the ride on broken surfaces becomes acceptable while the ride quality on 'good roads' remains absolutely flat.
On most of the bad stretches, the ride is much better than my i20 Elite. Overall my folks are very happy about the ride even compared to my previous car Forester, which was a hallmark of 'ride and handling balance' for a crossover.
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Default Re: 23-lakh Skoda Kushaq vs 41-lakh VW Tiguan | Is it a fair comparison?

Is Skoda planning to import anymore units of the Karoq? That would be a closer comparison since the engine is the same but one is a CBU and the other is a made-for-India product.
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Default Re: 23-lakh Skoda Kushaq vs 41-lakh VW Tiguan | Is it a fair comparison?

Whether 18 lakhs is worth spending extra is totally dependent on you. If your use case doesn’t warrant a Tiguan or if you are going to be equally happy with Kushaq purchase you can go for Kushaq and save some money.

But in absolute terms there is no comparison between Tiguan and Kushaq as the former is much better in almost all aspects. But if in your place I would rather pick Octavia as it’s more practical and also couple of lakhs cheaper, also I am a sedan guy.

If I have to buy a crossover / SUV below 60 lakhs, Tiguan is my top choice followed by Kodiaq. Others doesn’t make a cut. Also I liked the Tiguan’s stiffer suspension set up, main reason for me to choose that car. I felt the ride quality in Tiguan more or less similar to my MK3 Octavia with B6.
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