mods - These are some additional comments. I apologize for the second post in a row, but I would prefer it were not merged with the previous one because I want that to stay in the record as about ONLY the pdf attached to it. Quote:
Originally Posted by noopster Harbir- can you explain in your trademark "Physics for Dummies" style why diesel engines generate more torque than petrols of the same displacement? |
There are two parts to the answer to this question. One is relatively straight forward, one is anything but that.
The simpler part is this: There are aspects of engine design that by their nature will lead to a high torque output, regardless of the fuel used. Diesel engines, due to the necessities and/or limitations of the fuel have those characteristics and thus create large torque.
THe first, obvious one, is the compression ratio:. A high compression ratio causes high combustion chamber pressure at ignition relative to the pressure at the lowest point of the power stroke. This large pressure variation equates to how much work is done by the expanding gas on the piston (and thus by the piston to drive the load connected to the crankshaft). THe greater the work done (energy transfered) by the expanding gas, the greater the torque at the crankshaft.
Valve timing: Valve timing has an effect on cylinder filling during the intake stroke. At low RPM, you want to leave the intake valves open as long as possible. The moving column of fair has inertia, and will keep flowing into the cylinder even when the piston has slowed to a stop at the bottom of the stroke and is about to start moving upwards. This effect is so strong that many engines will leave their intake valve open even after the piston has already started moving up. Even when the piston starts moving up, the air flow continues into the cylinder just by the momentum of the flowing air, cramming that last bit of extra air in. However, as the RPM rises, the piston rises too fast and quickly overcomes the momentum of the incoming air column, and starts to push the air back out of the piston from the intake valve. This is what variable valve timing aims to bypass. Leaving the intake valve open longer at low revs, and closing them sooner at high revs (something similar happens on the exhaust valve side as well).
Since diesel fuel burns slowly, combustion proceeds slowly and diesel engine do not rev very high. At high revs, the fuel just doesn't burn fast enough to complete combustion before the piston reaches the bottom of the power stroke. Since diesels are never going to rev hard, valve timing is optimizing for low RPM running, instead of being compromised for a good performance across a wide RPM range. This enables diesel engines to always get more air crammed into the cylinders during the intake stroke than would an otherwise identical petrol engine that had its valve timing set for a broad RPM range. This extra air charge can burn more fuel, releasing more energy to drive down the piston, meaning more torque.
Intake plenum design: This is related to the point above. At low rpm, to promote maximum cylinder filling, you want the incoming air to have as much momentum as possible. You can do this by designing an intake plenum that has long air pathways. that gets more air moving towards intake valve, meaning greater inertia in the air column, and better filling. At higher rpm, long intake paths become an obstruction to high volume air flow as the friction goes up, choking the intake plenum. Again, as with valve timing, if the car doesn't have a variable intake plenum length, compromise has to be sought to make for efficient filling across a wide rev range. Since diesel engines will never rev as high as petrols, Intake plenum runner length is optimized for low speed cylinder. Better filling = more energy released = more force on the piston and higher torque.
These design features, if applied to petrols, will and does cause them to also produced large torque at slow to midrange speeds, even though they can obviously not go so high with on the compression ratios.
There are other such design decisions around optimizing low and high speed running. Since diesels don't run at high rpm, these design decisions can be tilted in favor of strong low to midrange torque.
It has been said that the greater torque is due to the greater energy density of diesel fuel. this is not correct. Diesel fuel actually has slightly less energy than petrol on a mass basis. It is a denser fuel than petrol by volum, but energy per gram of fuel is a little lower. Since fuel metering in the engine is determined by mass, not volume (even though the metering device may be measuring volume, the appropriate amount of fuel to be injected is measured by mass. Diesels appear more fuel efficient than petrols because we buy and measure it by volume not mass.), the energy content of the fuel itself cannot produce higher torque.
Now comes the difficult part. This is the part that is not straight foward and requires fairly advanced understanding of thermodynamics to figure. Diesels engines operate thermodynamically according to the Carnot cycle. This is different from petrol engines that run on the otto cycle. Understanding what they are, how they differ, how and why their energies differ takes very thorough knowledge of thermodynamics. Suffice to say, it has do with the mechanics of thermodynamic expansion, and understanding that requires knowledge of concepts such as isoentropic expansion and isothermal compression.
Suffice to say, the carnot cycle is the most efficient process for converting thermal energy into mechanical work. Given exactly the same amount of energy released by combustion, the Carnot cycle puts more of it to use than the otto cycle, leaving more of the energy captured mechanically, rather than dissipated as heat from the engine's cooling system. Greater mechanical energy shows up as higher torque.
The Carnot cycle is also the true reason for the greater efficiency of diesel engines. Diesel fuel is more dense than petrol, so while its energy per kg is about the same as petrol, its energy per litre is greater since there are more kg per litre. It is an accident of history that liquids are sold by volume, not weight. If we we bought diesel on a kilogram basis rather than on a litre basis (as we do with LPG and CNG), we would find the efficiency difference between diesel and petrol much smaller (a litte less than half of what it is). And the difference that would remain would be due to the greater efficiency of the carnot cycle in converting thermal energy to mechanical power.
So in summary you can thank the higher compression ratio, the low rpm design optimization, and the carnot cycle for the greater torque output of diesel engines.
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Originally Posted by AlphaKilo Can you detail more on "rolling resistance" in relation with power and torque? I didn't see it anywhere in your posts/probably you left it out for the ease of understanding or for the sake of simplicity. Now that you have explained the basics, can we go deeper? |
It is the force opposing the motion of the car in friction and other mechanical forces. When you drive, you are having to overcome friction in the transmission, differential, wheel bearings etc all of which provide a force counteracting the force the engine creates at the contact patches. A simple way to comprehend this is to imagine a tire rolling. As it rolls, it distorts so that the potion under the wheel becomes distorted. that take effort.
See the pdf posted above for more clarity
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Originally Posted by gostel I wish to know why is there a cap on the max power? For example, if the max power happens at say 4k rpm why does higher rpm not give more power as we are expending more fuel per unit time. |
Please see the pdf attached in the previous post.