Palio starting problem

typeOnegative · 25th February 2007, 12:04

I am just out of such a problem. I think it is the starter motor. Got mine repaired. Give me a call .... pming you my number.

tsk1979 · 25th February 2007, 13:02

Get the solenoid valve checked.

greatDrive · 25th February 2007, 16:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by typeOnegative

I am just out of such a problem. I think it is the starter motor. Got mine repaired. Give me a call .... pming you my number.

Hi Typo, tried calling you now.. Your Phone is switch off.

Tanveer,
What is Soleniod valve?
btw, today just when I was getting Car starting problem just to check I disconnected and reconnected the car from battery, Car started without a problem, but not sure if it started just because it was starting 80% of the time. Need to see if problem reproduces today night or tommorrow morning.
Is there a way to reset ECU? Should disconnecting and reconnecting battery anyway help ECU to fix its errors by its own?

GD

tsk1979 · 26th February 2007, 02:35

Dunno for sure, but when a car does not start some of the times but cranking is normal, its problem with the solenoid.
Ask the service center to check it. It was a common problem with earlier indigo petrols.

amitverma · 26th February 2007, 03:39

its the starter motor that has gone bad. is it like all palios have this problem??
anyways, its made by Lucas, so if the Fiat people act the way they are known quite well to, go to the nearest spare parts distributor and get it for the palio.

typeOnegative · 26th February 2007, 08:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by amitverma

its the starter motor that has gone bad. is it like all palios have this problem??
anyways, its made by Lucas, so if the Fiat people act the way they are known quite well to, go to the nearest spare parts distributor and get it for the palio.

Hey GD.

Please try calling me again.

Amit,

I think this problem is there for all cars. And my vehicle had a starter motor made by TVS. I dont think the motor has to be replaced. It just has to be repaired. And Tata services Fiat too now.

greatDrive · 26th February 2007, 18:34

Today gave my Car to Concorde Service centre at Hosur Road for ECU Analysis, ECU Examination did not find any problem. They have kept the car in workshop to check if they can reproduce the problem in morning, Works manager is also suspecting Starter Motor or Solenoid switch.

Lets wait and watch.

greatDrive · 27th February 2007, 19:16

Got my petra back from Concorde(TATA service), They were not able to find the problem even in the morning, Car started without any problem, Examined ECU again in the morning and didnot find anything wrong

,
Changed the fuel filter after my approval and gave the Car back today Evening.
I hope the problem is gone...

finneyp · 27th February 2007, 19:26

Hope the problem is sorted out now!

Also, you can change your Engine Oil to Castrol Magnatec GTX!
After I changed over to C M GTX, my Palio starts in the first crank in early morning starts, which otherwise took 2 - 3 cranks on the normal Mineral oil!

greatDrive · 27th February 2007, 19:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by finneyp

Hope the problem is sorted out now!

Also, you can change your Engine Oil to Castrol Magnatec GTX!
After I changed over to C M GTX, my Palio starts in the first crank in early morning starts, which otherwise took 2 - 3 cranks on the normal Mineral oil!

Scheduled Servicing was done just 20 days back when they changed the Engine oil(Recommend by Fiat). Dont want to change in it again, Probably try this out for next oil change.

finneyp · 27th February 2007, 19:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by greatDrive

Scheduled Servicing was done just 20 days back when they changed the Engine oil(Recommend by Fiat). Dont want to change in it again, Probably try this out for next oil change.

Yes, you can do that in the next Oil change (after 7500kms).

prabuddhadg · 28th February 2007, 10:41

Great Drive, I had a starting problem 12 days since i bought my car (Petra) in Nov 2006. It turned out to be a faulty alternator which was replaced by Anuroop. I had before the problem was solved, contacted Angad Motors as well, and the Works Manager had suggested it could be the 'bachcha switch' which he said was a local name for the solenoid switch as mentioned by Tanveer. He said he thought this was the problem since when I was turning the switch, the only sound would be a click.
I know of similar problems with Padminis too, though sometimes it is just the self starter getting jammed. This is solved by putting the car in gear and rocking it back and forth. Your problem is obviosly not this last one. But you could have the solenoid switch checked. But don't ask me to identify it.

sukheshkumar · 28th February 2007, 11:10

This Problem could be fairly simple. You may check this:

If the Battery is not able to hold the charge, after you stop the car for 4 to 5 hours, starting will be a Problem. But the moment you start, battery is able to charge to the desired level and perform. even the "Ph" value looks good after you drive a few kilometers. Normally, dashboard will not indicate this problem. May be it is time to replace the Battery.

When the battery is not holding, you could try reducing the starting load current by switching off lights, AC, System ( you are supposed to do these even otherwise) and Depress the clutch aswell and start. If car starts or responds better, perhaps, bateery is not able to hold charge over a period of time and is getting discharged. Go for a replacement

prabuddhadg · 28th February 2007, 11:24

Great Drive, I had a starting problem 12 days since i bought my car (Petra) in Nov 2006. It turned out to be a faulty alternator which was replaced by Anuroop. I had before the problem was solved, contacted Angad Motors as well, and the Works Manager had suggested it could be the 'bachcha switch' which he said was a local name for the solenoid switch as mentioned by Tanveer. He said he thought this was the problem since when I was turning the switch, the only sound would be a click.
I know of similar problems with Padminis too, though sometimes it is just the self starter getting jammed. This is solved by putting the car in gear and rocking it back and forth. Your problem is obviosly not this last one. But you could have the solenoid switch checked. But don't ask me to identify it.

planet_rocker · 28th February 2007, 11:42

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Originally Posted by prabuddhadg

He said he thought this was the problem since when I was turning the switch, the only sound would be a click.

I know of similar problems with Padminis too, though sometimes it is just the self starter getting jammed. This is solved by putting the car in gear and rocking it back and forth.

another way of solving the problem (For Padmini):
open the hood and tap on the self starter switch (with a screw driver) & the car will then start normally.

another way: take a screw driver and make the two "points" under the self starter switch to make the car start.

ps: make sure the car is not in any gear.

25th February 2007, 12:04	#16
typeOnegative Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vikhroli, Mumbai, India Posts: 1,503 Thanked: 27 Times	I am just out of such a problem. I think it is the starter motor. Got mine repaired. Give me a call .... pming you my number.
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25th February 2007, 13:02	#17
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	Get the solenoid valve checked.
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26th February 2007, 02:35	#19
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	Dunno for sure, but when a car does not start some of the times but cranking is normal, its problem with the solenoid. Ask the service center to check it. It was a common problem with earlier indigo petrols.
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26th February 2007, 03:39	#20
amitverma BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Delhi Posts: 426 Thanked: 141 Times	its the starter motor that has gone bad. is it like all palios have this problem?? anyways, its made by Lucas, so if the Fiat people act the way they are known quite well to, go to the nearest spare parts distributor and get it for the palio.
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26th February 2007, 18:34	#22
greatDrive BHPian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 547 Thanked: 7 Times	Today gave my Car to Concorde Service centre at Hosur Road for ECU Analysis, ECU Examination did not find any problem. They have kept the car in workshop to check if they can reproduce the problem in morning, Works manager is also suspecting Starter Motor or Solenoid switch. Lets wait and watch.
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27th February 2007, 19:16	#23
greatDrive BHPian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 547 Thanked: 7 Times	Got my petra back from Concorde(TATA service), They were not able to find the problem even in the morning, Car started without any problem, Examined ECU again in the morning and didnot find anything wrong , Changed the fuel filter after my approval and gave the Car back today Evening. I hope the problem is gone...
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27th February 2007, 19:26	#24
finneyp Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,716 Thanked: 319 Times View My Garage	Hope the problem is sorted out now! Also, you can change your Engine Oil to Castrol Magnatec GTX! After I changed over to C M GTX, my Palio starts in the first crank in early morning starts, which otherwise took 2 - 3 cranks on the normal Mineral oil!
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28th February 2007, 10:41	#27
prabuddhadg BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 812 Thanked: 81 Times View My Garage	Great Drive, I had a starting problem 12 days since i bought my car (Petra) in Nov 2006. It turned out to be a faulty alternator which was replaced by Anuroop. I had before the problem was solved, contacted Angad Motors as well, and the Works Manager had suggested it could be the 'bachcha switch' which he said was a local name for the solenoid switch as mentioned by Tanveer. He said he thought this was the problem since when I was turning the switch, the only sound would be a click. I know of similar problems with Padminis too, though sometimes it is just the self starter getting jammed. This is solved by putting the car in gear and rocking it back and forth. Your problem is obviosly not this last one. But you could have the solenoid switch checked. But don't ask me to identify it.
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28th February 2007, 11:10	#28
sukheshkumar BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 27 Thanked: 5 Times	This Problem could be fairly simple. You may check this: If the Battery is not able to hold the charge, after you stop the car for 4 to 5 hours, starting will be a Problem. But the moment you start, battery is able to charge to the desired level and perform. even the "Ph" value looks good after you drive a few kilometers. Normally, dashboard will not indicate this problem. May be it is time to replace the Battery. When the battery is not holding, you could try reducing the starting load current by switching off lights, AC, System ( you are supposed to do these even otherwise) and Depress the clutch aswell and start. If car starts or responds better, perhaps, bateery is not able to hold charge over a period of time and is getting discharged. Go for a replacement
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28th February 2007, 11:24	#29
prabuddhadg BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 812 Thanked: 81 Times View My Garage	Great Drive, I had a starting problem 12 days since i bought my car (Petra) in Nov 2006. It turned out to be a faulty alternator which was replaced by Anuroop. I had before the problem was solved, contacted Angad Motors as well, and the Works Manager had suggested it could be the 'bachcha switch' which he said was a local name for the solenoid switch as mentioned by Tanveer. He said he thought this was the problem since when I was turning the switch, the only sound would be a click. I know of similar problems with Padminis too, though sometimes it is just the self starter getting jammed. This is solved by putting the car in gear and rocking it back and forth. Your problem is obviosly not this last one. But you could have the solenoid switch checked. But don't ask me to identify it.
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