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Originally Posted by PM - B (Post 4530431)
Touchwood, but unless I keep the key in the boot and slam it shut, I dont think one can get locked out in a Fiat Linea or Punto

Does it have a boot-unlock button? That is, a button that allows one access to the boot without unlocking any door, which is then locked again immediately it is shut? The VW Polo remote does. It would be all to easy to put down the key, inside, while arranging some shopping, and then shut without removing it. Not that I've done this... yet!

Happened to me once many years back, although I had locked the keys inside our Honda Aviator this time. So we had just bought the scooter the previous week and the dealership had given us 2 keys but both on the same key ring. We had gone for some grocery shopping and after returning, my mom asked me to fetch the bags from the boot.

Me being my dumb self, opened the boot, put the keys inside, took the bags out and went away after slamming the seat down as usual. But only after I came back inside and when mom asked me about the keys, did I realize that I had locked them in the scooter!:deadhorse So we fetched a local locksmith after that and he came home and made another key just for the boot in 45 minutes or so and then we could use the scooter.

My parents had a hearty laugh that evening and I was pissed off but in my defence, I had reminded them to take one key out and place it safely a couple of times earlier. From then on, whenever we buy a vehicle, the first thing we do is take out the spare key from the keyring!

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Originally Posted by PM - B (Post 4530431)
Touchwood, but unless I keep the key in the boot and slam it shut, I dont think one can get locked out in a Fiat Linea or Punto

I too thought the same, but I did a silly thing a couple of months back and I actually discovered another way to lock Fiats with the key inside.:D

I was away and the car had been lying idle for some weeks. When I got back and unlocked the car, the indicators seemed a bit dim and I decided to take the battery out and charge it before attempting to crank. I popped the hood, closed the door and locked it with the remote and proceeded to remove the battery. It was late night and I was tired after the long journey. Most of my brain cells had already gone to sleep when I finally removed the battery and plugged it in the charger.

I took the spanners and the battery's plastic terminal cover and kept it in the battery tray so that it would be easier for me to put everything back the next morning. Only after I closed the hood did I realize that I had kept the key fob along with the stuff in the battery tray. So the car was locked with the key in the battery tray. At first I thought, "oh no big deal, I've got the spare keys". But unfortunately it did not end there. :Frustrati

The car was parked with the driver side close to a wall during the time it was idle. A gap of few inches was present between the driver side door and the wall. There is no key slot in the front passenger side for Fiat. I could unlock the drivers side door with the spare manual key and without the battery, the central locking system wouldn't work. Now, I had a spare key and an unlocked driver side door through which an arm could barely get in.

The next morning, I decided to make a last ditch attempt before calling the RSA. I used some cap&case wiring conduits and poked a hole at one end of the conduit through which I stuck a straightened key ring and it a small c shaped hook. I fiddled with this makeshift hook stick through the driver side door for an extremely claustrophobic 10 minutes before I could heave a sigh of relief.

Only once. On the way back from Yosemite, we'd stopped at some random food stop and a friend wanted to take something out of a bag in the boot. I opened the boot and thought I'd tend to my bag as well and in the process kept the key in, did my thing and moved away. As tried as I was, it didn't strike me that I'd left the key behind while my friend promptly shut the lid and the car auto-locked after the set interval.

Tired after a 6 hour hike with aching joints, several hours away from home, this was quite the unpleasant surprise. Asked some people around at the mall: someone suggested I call the cops, according to him, cops have the ability to open a car (universal remote or key or whatever). Someone else at the fuel shop gave me the number for a garage who could help. Called the guy, he came an hour later with a tow truck.

I'm not sure if I should mention what he did to get the car to unlock (for fear of incorrect motivation). But he did and in the process, set off the alarm. The mall had to endure a harsh alarm for 5-10min while he worked his way. 15min and a mere $50 later, the drama was over.

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Originally Posted by ashwinmanuk (Post 4530419)
Round 1 from FNG didn't work. Left with a few pain deep chips and scratches above the driver side door. Will wait for a round 2 tomorrow. Else RSA.


Two FNGs tried and failed. I have lost about 800 bucks and have earned a good dent along with a few chips on the frame of the door. I tried my luck with Bosch Electronic City too. The head was unable to get the tech to respond. A Skoda mechanic is coming tomorrow morning to put me out of my misery

Towing is out of question for two reasons

1. Car is on 'P'
2. Flat bed won't make it up the street where the car is stranded. Even if does, as per the RSA rep on the phone said that the car has to be in neutral.

I have a lot of recommendations and suggestions to have the window smashed or the quarter glass broken to break in. stupid:I think that should be left as the last resort. I would see if Skoda mech has any tricks up its sleeve for this.

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Originally Posted by dailydriver (Post 4270829)
Pardon me for being naive. But I often wonder why the actual car keys and locks (not the remotes) aren't more secure. Why can't a car have a Godrej type lock, for instance? Four (2 doors+boot+ignition) locks plus 2 keys could set the manufacturer back by about ₹4,000. But it could also mean a bit more security to the car. There must indeed be some logical reason for our car keys being what and how they are the world over.

Any pointers?

It is purely a financial thing. 4K for one car is small money. 4K for 10K cars a month is a lot of money. The same thing with the OEM tyres you see on most cars.

The last time I locked my key in the car was a couple of months ago when washing it at night. Keys inside cos of slight rain and central lock locked itself. No house keys, no phone, no wallet and stuck outside in the middle of the night :Frustrati:Frustrati

Luckily had a colleague living close by who let me crash for the night. The following morning I did the simplest thing of all. Got a locksmith to make a key for the car. It cost 500 bucks or so, and it opened the car. A thin metal key which I now have as an emergency key. Reckon can't use it more than twice or thrice without breaking it though. I prefer this solution to using a slim-jim or any other.

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Originally Posted by pganapathy (Post 4530804)
... ... ... Got a locksmith to make a key for the car. It cost 500 bucks or so, and it opened the car. A thin metal key which I now have as an emergency key.

How did the locksmith do that without a key to copy? Dealers should be able to, from the key number or car details, but locked out of car and house (:eek:) I guess you would not have that information on you.

Making the locks secure is one thing. There is going to be a way to get out of a locked car, which means that the hardest it is ever going to be to get in is by gaining access to an interior door handle. There is a youtube video by a USAian mechanic called Stephen Cox: in one video he demonstrates simple, commercially-available gear that makes that doable. I could search for the video; I could at least link to his channel. Maybe better I don't --- but hey, the name is enough to find the channel.

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Originally Posted by ashwinmanuk (Post 4530737)

Towing is out of question for two reasons

1. Car is on 'P'
2. Flat bed won't make it up the street where the car is stranded. Even if does, as per the RSA rep on the phone said that the car has to be in neutral.

I have a lot of recommendations and suggestions to have the window smashed or the quarter glass broken to break in. stupid:I think that should be left as the last resort. I would see if Skoda mech has any tricks up its sleeve for this.

Why did you allow a FNG to chip off your car colour?

Did you compare breaking a glass and repaint the colour financially?

IMO, a window glass can be refitted with ease while repaint would be costly affair. You will also miss the exact OEM paint finish.

Just my two cents!

Thanks.

I have had a situation when I had my keys locked in the car. I did have a flat key in the wallet, which was inside the car as well. I managed to open the door with a hacksaw blade which I inserted vertically over where the lock is located on the driver's side door. But then, this was on a Santro.

It is possible that the method shown in this video may have been attempted on your car, however, it may be worth a watch and try something similar, if not tried already. The catch may be the availability of the airbag which helps in preventing damage to the paint surface.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MMuhKZ...e_continue=169

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Originally Posted by RedStallion (Post 4530848)
Why did you allow a FNG to chip off your car colour?

Did you compare breaking a glass and repaint the colour financially?

IMO, a window glass can be refitted with ease while repaint would be costly affair. You will also miss the exact OEM paint finish.

Just my two cents!

Thanks.

He was working on the car in the dark and the street being congested, it allowed only two persons to stand at the side of the door. So I take full blame for taking it for granted and having to pay the price.

Here's the latest

1. Called Tafe to check which window glass is available in stock. They said they will revert after checking the inventory.

2. There's another school of thought given to me by a friend who says there's some trick that requires the wheel to be taken off and thereby exposing the wiring set up for the door. Waiting for this one too, I mean for the contact.

3. The third one is from Bosch Electronic City, they are trying to find me a key expert who can open the car without much fuss. As with the other two, I am waiting.

I am lucky this happened at home else the glass would have paid the price for my impatient nature. lol:

Here are the pics of the damage.

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Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom (Post 4530821)
How did the locksmith do that without a key to copy? Dealers should be able to, from the key number or car details, but locked out of car and house (:eek:) I guess you would not have that information on you.

Making the locks secure is one thing. There is going to be a way to get out of a locked car, which means that the hardest it is ever going to be to get in is by gaining access to an interior door handle. There is a youtube video by a USAian mechanic called Stephen Cox: in one video he demonstrates simple, commercially-available gear that makes that doable. I could search for the video; I could at least link to his channel. Maybe better I don't --- but hey, the name is enough to find the channel.

The same way they make keys for your house when you lose it or lock it inside. They put a soft metal key and turn it to figure out where the tumblers are and then file it down appropriately. I guess it helped that the key I had left was on the back seat and visible, so easier for him to copy I guess, but I understood he could have done it without viewing the original. But yeah, it is scary that they can make a key so easily:Shockked:

Luckily I have never locked any of my cars with keys inside. Guess it has to do with the habit of using the remote lock to lock the car always, and never locking the car from inside and closing the door with flap up.
Now a days, with the smart key in the pocket, it is next to impossible to lock keys inside the car. One need not take the key out from the pocket anytime, and the car simply would not lock using the request sensor if the key is inside.

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Originally Posted by blackasta (Post 4531132)
Now a days, with the smart key in the pocket, it is next to impossible to lock keys inside the car.

Yeah, I can attest to that. I used to be (in)famous in the family for locking the keys in the car, have done it twice on long drives. I seldom drive in the city, my wife uses the car 90% of the time, I use the bike. It's only on long highway drives that I switch driving with my wife. The first time we were lucky to get some from some help from passers-by who brought a mechanic and he was able to open the door ridiculously easily! (Makes we wonder how more cars are not stolen!) The second time I did that, my wife was carrying the spare key in her purse, so we got away luckily.

But since we've moved to cars with a remote lock, I never have to remove the key from my pocket and (touch-wood) locking the key inside has never happened since.

I once managed to lock our M800 with keys still inside in the slot. I have the habit of pushing in the door lock and closing driver's door to lock the car. Luckily though, it being a M800, all it took was a flat metal scale and 5 seconds to unlock the car. Just pushed the scale inside along the window glass around where the push lock mechanism is and prodded it once or twice. Given that this was the first and last time I did that, never thought it would be so easy.

Ahh! The locksmith's art! Thanks for explaining

The equipment down in the previous post is much the same as I saw on the YouTube channel I mentioned


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