Palio - Front head lamps getting fogged

roopakr · 23rd April 2007, 16:27

I have seen many PALIOs with front headlamps fogged,I mean filled with water vapours after a rain or wash.Its due to leaking of water into the headlamps..But puzzled about the reason for this happening in palios.And I heard from the workshop that , only answer to this is a new headlights...Can I find anyone to throw some light on this??? If its the right headlamp in my car...its left headlamps in my friends.

moralfibre · 23rd April 2007, 17:10

Its not too specific. The cover for the headlights where the bulb seats is the culprit. If you ever open it, make sure that you fix it back properly. Thats the only way to avoid this problem. Touch wood, I haven't had issues with this on my car.

rishibravo · 23rd April 2007, 17:15

It usually happens if any of the plastic clips which holds the headlamps to the body has cracked or is broken so the headlight compartment is not sealed properly and is exposed to elements and hence fogging.

roopakr · 23rd April 2007, 18:21

@moralfibre ...Well , I have checked that its fixed properly after changing the bulbs..Even the mechanic from FIAT service center too had an xamination on that..He suggested me to change the whole unit ,and he too agreed with me that its turning out to be a common problem. Dont know whether that has got something to do with the climate of kerala.

moralfibre · 23rd April 2007, 19:53

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Originally Posted by roopakr

@moralfibre ...Well , I have checked that its fixed properly after changing the bulbs..Even the mechanic from FIAT service center too had an xamination on that..He suggested me to change the whole unit ,and he too agreed with me that its turning out to be a common problem. Dont know whether that has got something to do with the climate of kerala.

No no, it doesn't have something to do with the climate of Kerala. It happened in the climate of Pune too lol!

Fellow member Determinus owns a Palio 1.6 GTX since 2003 and he drove it for 23000 kms without a headlight bulb change until he got blinded a few million times by oncoming traffic and decided to give them back. He never had a problem with water entering the headlight assembly. We got bulbs upgraded from a local accessory store and at the next car wash, water entered his headlight assembly. A DIY at home solution is to open the covers of the assemblies. Take some big pieces of plastic and put it between the cap of each bulb and the mount. This works and I have tried and tested it. Let me know how it goes.

And lastly, this is known problem and chronic in Fiats!

Rodeo · 23rd April 2007, 22:50

Even i had the problem 2nd day after i got my palio. They replaced it that time for no cost but again it appeared after 6 months. On pointing it during service, they said it is a damage and company is not responsible. I have been living with it since then. Not worth changing because no garantee it will not happen again on 2nd day and you end up blowing so much money.

DRC · 23rd April 2007, 23:21

Lessons from my experience...
Palio/Petra has 2 covers behind the bulbs. 1 for L.beam, Turn indicator and Parking lights and one for the high beam.

Both of them have rubber gaskets. The Low beam one also has a small L shaped pipe stuck with a tiny air filter.

Now the problem you have mentioned is common because of lack of knowledge at the service station.

To solve.
Open the black covers and dry out the existing moisture inside the sealed beam asembly. Best way to do this is to roll some paper towel like a pencil and insert into the assembly gently to absorb all the moisture. be careful not to drop the paper inside the assembly.

Clean the cover gasket thouroughly and also the seating on the head light assembly to get rid of any mud or debris.

Carefully put back the rear covers and put on the clips. Ensure they are seated properly. Low beam covers are tricky to put on.

Also, ensure that L shaped filter is in place and pointed down wards.

Usual causes for this issue are ...
When you wash the car or when it rains, water seeps into the head lights either through the gasket or through wrongly assembled/misplaced little airfilter.

swathyd · 24th April 2007, 00:02

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Originally Posted by Rodeo

Even i had the problem 2nd day after i got my palio. They replaced it that time for no cost but again it appeared after 6 months. On pointing it during service, they said it is a damage and company is not responsible. I have been living with it since then. Not worth changing because no garantee it will not happen again on 2nd day and you end up blowing so much money.

My adventure also had this problem, very acute that they changed instantly. Another palio parked there also had slight problem. Since then even after heavy rains and wash no problems.

manikjeet · 24th April 2007, 00:10

Happened with my alto to. I took it to a local garage they opened it and just blow it and it was as good as new

they total me its normal in old car
they advised me change the headlamps which i am going to do shortly

roopakr · 24th April 2007, 12:45

@DRC...Thats a good piece of Info.Let me try that and will let you know.

sans33 · 4th June 2008, 14:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRC

Lessons from my experience...
Palio/Petra has 2 covers behind the bulbs. 1 for L.beam, Turn indicator and Parking lights and one for the high beam.

Both of them have rubber gaskets. The Low beam one also has a small L shaped pipe stuck with a tiny air filter.

Now the problem you have mentioned is common because of lack of knowledge at the service station.

To solve.
Open the black covers and dry out the existing moisture inside the sealed beam asembly. Best way to do this is to roll some paper towel like a pencil and insert into the assembly gently to absorb all the moisture. be careful not to drop the paper inside the assembly.

Clean the cover gasket thouroughly and also the seating on the head light assembly to get rid of any mud or debris.

Carefully put back the rear covers and put on the clips. Ensure they are seated properly. Low beam covers are tricky to put on.

Also, ensure that L shaped filter is in place and pointed down wards.

Usual causes for this issue are ...
When you wash the car or when it rains, water seeps into the head lights either through the gasket or through wrongly assembled/misplaced little airfilter.

I got my Palio S10 serviced last week,and since then right headlamp is getting fogged.I'm going to try above mentioned things.But there are too much water vapours on glass.What is the best way to dry it.

FERRO · 4th June 2008, 15:53

my car's tail lamp get filled with water almost all the time whenever the car goes for servicing & cleaning.

planet_rocker · 4th June 2008, 16:33

my GTX's RHS HL remains foggy throughout the day - but it disappears every morning

- the bulb holder is the culprit for sure becase the RHS low beam always "shakes" with the slightest jerks. only the low beam part gets foggy.

any idea how much does a new assembly cost?

please see the following thread as well: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...tml#post854007

ravikn · 4th June 2008, 17:03

I too have the same problem on the LHS light assembly. Thanks DRC, will surely try this at home.

As I heard, the cost of the new assembly would be close to 1.5-1.7K in Bangalore.

trrk · 4th June 2008, 18:53

Hi,

For those of you who have problems with water / water vapour in your out of warranty Palio, kindly go through the following post. The quoted portion is the first part and the main message is an addon.

This is only for 'Do It Yourself' type of people. If you have a neighbour hood mechanic who will listen to you, he also could do it for you.

Yahoo! Groups

The info is courtesy drpullockaran who put this in the Yahoo Palio User's group.

Hope this is of use!

23rd April 2007, 16:27	#1
roopakr BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KL-01,KL-07,KA-01 Posts: 135 Thanked: 3 Times View My Garage	Palio - Front head lamps getting fogged I have seen many PALIOs with front headlamps fogged,I mean filled with water vapours after a rain or wash.Its due to leaking of water into the headlamps..But puzzled about the reason for this happening in palios.And I heard from the workshop that , only answer to this is a new headlights...Can I find anyone to throw some light on this??? If its the right headlamp in my car...its left headlamps in my friends.
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23rd April 2007, 17:10	#2
moralfibre Team-BHP Support Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: MH-12 Posts: 8,443 Thanked: 13,956 Times	Its not too specific. The cover for the headlights where the bulb seats is the culprit. If you ever open it, make sure that you fix it back properly. Thats the only way to avoid this problem. Touch wood, I haven't had issues with this on my car.
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23rd April 2007, 17:15	#3
rishibravo BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 579 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	It usually happens if any of the plastic clips which holds the headlamps to the body has cracked or is broken so the headlight compartment is not sealed properly and is exposed to elements and hence fogging.
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23rd April 2007, 18:21	#4
roopakr BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KL-01,KL-07,KA-01 Posts: 135 Thanked: 3 Times View My Garage	@moralfibre ...Well , I have checked that its fixed properly after changing the bulbs..Even the mechanic from FIAT service center too had an xamination on that..He suggested me to change the whole unit ,and he too agreed with me that its turning out to be a common problem. Dont know whether that has got something to do with the climate of kerala.
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23rd April 2007, 22:50	#6
Rodeo BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 356 Thanked: 28 Times	Even i had the problem 2nd day after i got my palio. They replaced it that time for no cost but again it appeared after 6 months. On pointing it during service, they said it is a damage and company is not responsible. I have been living with it since then. Not worth changing because no garantee it will not happen again on 2nd day and you end up blowing so much money.
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23rd April 2007, 23:21	#7
DRC BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cockpit Posts: 911 Thanked: 64 Times View My Garage	Lessons from my experience... Palio/Petra has 2 covers behind the bulbs. 1 for L.beam, Turn indicator and Parking lights and one for the high beam. Both of them have rubber gaskets. The Low beam one also has a small L shaped pipe stuck with a tiny air filter. Now the problem you have mentioned is common because of lack of knowledge at the service station. To solve. Open the black covers and dry out the existing moisture inside the sealed beam asembly. Best way to do this is to roll some paper towel like a pencil and insert into the assembly gently to absorb all the moisture. be careful not to drop the paper inside the assembly. Clean the cover gasket thouroughly and also the seating on the head light assembly to get rid of any mud or debris. Carefully put back the rear covers and put on the clips. Ensure they are seated properly. Low beam covers are tricky to put on. Also, ensure that L shaped filter is in place and pointed down wards. Usual causes for this issue are ... When you wash the car or when it rains, water seeps into the head lights either through the gasket or through wrongly assembled/misplaced little airfilter.
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24th April 2007, 00:10	#9
manikjeet Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: chandigarh Posts: 1,618 Thanked: 295 Times View My Garage	Happened with my alto to. I took it to a local garage they opened it and just blow it and it was as good as new they total me its normal in old car they advised me change the headlamps which i am going to do shortly
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24th April 2007, 12:45	#10
roopakr BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KL-01,KL-07,KA-01 Posts: 135 Thanked: 3 Times View My Garage	@DRC...Thats a good piece of Info.Let me try that and will let you know.
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4th June 2008, 15:53	#12
FERRO BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 313 Thanked: 2 Times	my car's tail lamp get filled with water almost all the time whenever the car goes for servicing & cleaning.
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4th June 2008, 16:33	#13
planet_rocker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bong-land Posts: 2,323 Thanked: 426 Times	my GTX's RHS HL remains foggy throughout the day - but it disappears every morning - the bulb holder is the culprit for sure becase the RHS low beam always "shakes" with the slightest jerks. only the low beam part gets foggy. any idea how much does a new assembly cost? please see the following thread as well: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...tml#post854007
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4th June 2008, 17:03	#14
ravikn BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 343 Thanked: 25 Times	I too have the same problem on the LHS light assembly. Thanks DRC, will surely try this at home. As I heard, the cost of the new assembly would be close to 1.5-1.7K in Bangalore.
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4th June 2008, 18:53	#15
trrk Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Alleppey, Kerala Posts: 2,114 Thanked: 34 Times View My Garage	Hi, For those of you who have problems with water / water vapour in your out of warranty Palio, kindly go through the following post. The quoted portion is the first part and the main message is an addon. This is only for 'Do It Yourself' type of people. If you have a neighbour hood mechanic who will listen to you, he also could do it for you. Yahoo! Groups The info is courtesy drpullockaran who put this in the Yahoo Palio User's group. Hope this is of use!
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