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Based on the reduced number of reports on team bhp on failed DQ200s, I have reason to believe that the newer ones are somewhat more reliable.
My 2019 Mk3.5 Octavia TSI DSG has run 60k km without any DSG issues till now, touch wood. The majority of this distance have been long drives. I expect it to last at least 1lakh km.
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Originally Posted by dsr001
(Post 5611782)
I have driven the 1.0 TSI AT a lot and hear on the forum that 1.5 TSI DSG, though powerful, has a more mature feeling to it (and 1.0 runs as if it's stage 1 tuned!).
I'd want to ideally move up to 1.5 but is the increased performance worth the risk ?:)
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I had driven both the engines back to back and here is my take on it,
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offic...ml#post5273495
Ended up buying the 1.5 DSG after this but I had a strong bias towards buying the fastest car that would fit my budget :D Every other criteria be damned.
For the normal driver the 1.0 AT packs enough punch. It's definitely faster than the normal NA petrol sedan and can maintain decent speeds owing to it's sixth cog and healthy torque developed due to the turbo. The 1.5 is a silent animal which will keep you ahead of the average traffic with a light foot on the accelerator and give you a sudden rush when you push the pedal hard only where you can.
There is a certain opinion that the 1.5 also should have got a torque converter AT. This is the most intellectual armchair comment I have come across off late. The 1.5 stands out due to the DSG and it's MT counterpart. This is an engine which develops peak torque at 1400RPM, which matches the diesel 1.5TDI. This is what gives you the rush of acceleration as the revvs climb up and can maintain highway speeds all day with a feather light throttle input. If the same engine was paired with a torque converter AT, it would have nullified this rush and would have decreased FE further down. What you would get would be the MG 1.3 turbo kind of feel and one would question where all the power on paper went. It would be absorbed in the Torque converter until it locked up and by then lots of fuel and acceleration time would be lost.
The TC AT works better in the 1.0 because it develops peak torque a bit later and the torque converter slip sort of lets the engine Revv higher and build boost. Now this engine with a DSG would have led to excess clutch slipping due to lack of low end torque and fried the dual clutch prematurely. Think of it, why would the company not provide a TC option if it was so beneficial over a DSG. Instead, they seem to have put the development efforts in improving the reliability of the DSG which has been their brainchild from more than a decade now even in India. It's not only India but also China with similar traffic which is an important market for the rollout of the DQ200 and no manufacturer is taking the Chinese market lightly.
So just to summarize the decision making process of going for the DSG vs sticking to the TC with the 1.0, going for the 1.5 is like paying extra for some extra thrill and paying extra for the expected maintenance in the long run as an entertainment tax. You will pay this if you enjoy the entertainment or not. So if you are not someone who would enjoy the extra rush of the 1.5 and let it stretch it's legs frequently, then stick to the 1.0 and you won't miss out much in the day to day life. And later you won't be slapped with the entertainment tax or DSG Tax. :D
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Originally Posted by Evyas
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Hi Evyas, Thanks a lot for this thread, hadn't gone through it earlier. It's like a good to read reference. Super useful.
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Originally Posted by Torque123
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2. Press brake pedal -> Shift to Neutral -> engage handbrake -> Shift to Parking Mode -> release the brake pedal after parking the car.
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It's better to Press brake pedal > shift to Neutral > Engage handbrake > release the brake pedal, and re-engage > Shift to Park.
Specially on inclines, there's a weight transfer that happens from the front brakes to the rear, only after you release the brake pedal after applying the handbrake. This is also extremely vital in gauging whether the applied force on the handbrake is enough to hold the car on it's own (in case of manual handbrakes).
Another precaution I usually take for the DQ200 is to first release the brake, let the car crawl for a bit before applying the accelerator. This allows the clutches to engage firmly enough before pushing through more power. This reduces clutch slip to some extent.
I own a 2019 Polo GT TSI (50k on the odo). Gearbox still seems to be going strong.
No, they aren’t! I have heard kushaqs and taiguns with DSG failure already. If you ask me if it’s still worth buying them, surely it’s a YES! There’s no other car that matches its dynamics and shift quality. My point is to use the DSG to the maximum potential and be prepared to replace it when the time comes if you are lucky you are in your warranty period. There are many independent garages and specialists that offer DSG repair. At most times it's the clutch pack that gives way which is a fairly easier job to do costing between 30000 to 40000rs, the real issue is if the mechatronics fail. You would have to scout for a good used part and have it coded with ODIS and adapted. Despite all this, there's no comparison to the drive feel a DSG gearbox offers.
Unless you are comfortable with manuals, DSG is the best automatic transmission. Yes you can have a failure but you can buy extended warranty. VW / Skoda cars are also the best options in their segment. So unless you are willing to live with a dull NA engined Maruti or Honda with either an ancient TC or CVT you have very little choice.
Having driven 1.8 DSG DQ200 to 42k, I would say it's the best gearbox/engine combo on this side of 40L.
At 42k odo, I am mentally prepared to bear mechatronics change at any point in future. IMO, this is little price for all the smiles that DSG brings during each drive.
For someone looking for reliability and low maintenance, look elsewhere. Take a DSG plunge, only when you are ready to enjoy and pay for it.
Of course, it would have been better if the gearbox was more reliable, but such is life!
My take on this DQ200 transmission started having better reliability post 2017 when Skoda started offering 4+2 years warranty for their car. I drove a Skoda Rapid diesel for 1,00,000 kms in 5.5 yrs of ownership. It crawled in Delhi traffic, there was never a DSG issue. Yes, I had warranty flywheel replacement as the flywheel started getting play and started making noise. But the clutch was also not affected because of that.
I religiously followed putting the gear in neutral when the car was standing on a red light or standing in heavy traffic
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Originally Posted by KP56
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A dear friend of mine owns a 2022 Taigun 1.5 DSG and has completed almost 26k kms within 10 months ( 70% highway 30% city).
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DSG issues are predominantly in city traffic (esp in bumper to bumber traffic).
Your non issue can be attributed to high highway drives.
I think the song that goes “Skoda, VW dsq failure, woe be my life and purchase choice” has been over sung for quite a while now. The brands seem to have really addressed concerns and this should not be a point if discussion anymore. There are 1000s of cars running in all sorts of environments and doing well. A few may develop problems as all mechanicals will. DSG gearboxes are complex pieces of mechanicals after all! They are no longer faulty be default for sure!
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Originally Posted by dsr001
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Hi All, my family is considering buying a 1.5 TSI DSG from Skoda or VW (i.e. the Slavia/Virtus/Kushaq/Taigun).
I'm interested to know how is the DSG doing wrt earlier DQ200 boxes: - Have there been any reported failures of the DSG (on 1.5 TSI) and how was the response?
- How is the driving feel/performance/smoothness vs 1.0 TSI (with Aisin TC), as this is what I drive
- How is the current DSG wrt Hyundai DCT
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Too soon to comment on DSG as it's been 2 years only. For reference I faced DSG failure at 2.5 year mark with Rapid DSG.
However within these Skoda / VW car models there are many other ownership issues that can be seen on Tbhp itself. So overall would advice waiting for 1-2 years more.
Hyundai DCT sell in higher numbers and has it's own share of issues reported. I would recommend looking for something other then DCT for peace of mind.
I recently contacted a fellow Slavia owner who has a 1.5DSG and has used it predominantly in city traffic and has covered 32k kms. There has not been any issues reported so far. His is the highest mileage car I have come across so far especially with a city biased usage.
I am currently driving a Taigun 1.0 MT for the last 18 months. But I want to upgrade to the Taigun 1.5 TSI DSG in the coming few months. However, I am also concerned about the reliability issue of the DQ200. Also, I take my family on frequent road trips. Hence, the idea of getting stuck on the Highway with sudden DSG failure is worrying me.
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Originally Posted by audioholic
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I recently contacted a fellow Slavia owner who has a 1.5DSG and has used it predominantly in city traffic and has covered 32k kms. There have not been any issues reported so far. His is the highest mileage car I have come across so far especially with a city biased usage.
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There is a YouTuber who owns a Virtus GT DSG & has crossed 60k. The link below
https://youtu.be/CuyF1NbhJy8?si=-h4hM0LrtiZieEyF
I have read that the Extended Warranty covers DSG Gearbox too, I hope they won't say otherwise when we go with an actual claim.
GT TSI. Nov 2014. 45K. Almost exclusive Mumbai peak hour traffic usage. Perfect so far, though responses have become slightly slower due to clutch wear.
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