|
Search Forums |
Advanced Search |
Go to Page... |
![]() |
Search this Thread | ![]() 75,976 views |
![]() | #1 |
BHPian ![]() Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Panchkula
Posts: 111
Thanked: 289 Times
| 72000 km with my Ford Endeavour 3.2L - Ownership Experience Now that I have driven this car for more than 72000 km over 850 days, I felt it was time to pen down my experiences and a personal review of what has been a pretty fabulous and adventurous journey so far. PS - Credit for photos goes to a lot of people - a big thank you to all of you ! What I like about the car:
What I don't like about the car:
Selection of the car I had driven the Hyundai i20 for 100k+ km (in 6 years) when I decided to upgrade. I wanted to keep myself within a budget of about 20L (yeah - that’s how it started) - I did a few test drives and liked what the Creta had to offer amongst all 2WD choices available. However, in the 4WD category, the only options were Tata Safari and Hexa. I ruled out the XUV after a series of bad TD experiences at the dealership (the TD car had a horrible clutch and brakes, too many sensor errors and rode like a 20 year old car), and Hexa was ruled out primarily on account of the sales rep who did not seem too keen to sell the car. Just out of curiosity, we decided to test drive the new Toyota Fortuner and the new Ford Endeavour. The sheer value which these cars had to offer over anything in the sub-22L segment was astonishing. The engineer in me did some arithmetic to convince myself that it may be a better decision to spend 40L now than to buy a not-so-happy 20L car and look for a new one within 4-5 years. This of course was significantly biased by bhpian ragh_bhushan who willingly gave me the keys of his Furteela every time he was around, and once you have driven a car that size (and are used to driving i20) - its really hard to go back ! Two choices then led us to the very popular and ever-lasting debate - Fortuner v/s Endeavour. Toyota offered heavy reliability but apart from that its offerings pretty much ended and felt sub-standard - a rather boring looking extra-high dashboard, poor audio systems and interface (no android auto !!) and not so plush interiors. It also seemed to me that Toyota had decided to cut some corners knowing that their car would still be selling in large numbers - missing cladding, poor noise insulation, no sunroof etc. etc. Ford, on the other hand, came with challenges around quality of its maintenance, significantly lower re-sale value, and a bunch of unknowns since this was a new model with hardly any high mileage cars on the road for us to know the depth of the problems. The product, however, was very appealing - I could hardly find anyone who did not enjoy the Endeavour TD irrespective of whether they ended up buying it or not. Eventually my thought was - you drive the car most of the days and spend only 3-4 days on maintenance every year - I was willing to invest that time into the car and that made Ford Endeavour an easy choice. Delivery Experience I purchased this vehicle from Bhavna Ford at Nerul in Navi Mumbai. The overall purchase experience was very smooth - the salesperson at the dealership promptly agreed to all of my requests which included a PDI before the car went into registration, my choice of insurance (they ended of matching the lowest quotation I could get from the market but there was significant saving there) and a free 3rd year warranty. The car arrived in two weeks, as was promised by the dealer, and took another week for registration. Overall I was very happy with the purchase and delivery experience. I chose NOT to buy any accessories from the dealership - just the usual mats and cargo cover (all of which is dumped somewhere in my store-room now). The car cost me ~36L - this is a 3.2L 4x4 Titanium model and yes - it came in BLACK, and finally into my hands on 31st July 2017. This car has been reviewed multiple times on this forum and ownership reviews especially by bhpian Ace F355 and A.G.. I have summarised my personal experience with the car here. Performance of the car Engine : 200 bhp is adequate - just simply put. Power is delivered in the right fashion and you wouldn't feel any deficit even in tight overtaking conditions. On the contrary, this power delivery with the steering makes overtaking a lot easier. Power kicks in at higher rpms which takes time getting used to (especially if you have moved from driving a similar engine/sized car). I find the engine noise (or whatever manages to seep inside the cabin) pretty sweet for a diesel. There are ways where you can cruise it on the highway keeping rpms constant and the engine noise practically goes away. The power-to-weight ratio of ~75 BHP/Ton is quite okay and at-par with most other cars. Torque is more than adequate for off-road situations. I would have loved a hybrid version where power can be cut-off on its own especially in traffic signals but I guess it comes with its own set of cons. Overall verdict - pretty good engine. PS - this may actually be the last generation of such large displacement engines so we should enjoy it while it lasts. My usage largely falls into 3 buckets - I pretty much get 9 kmpl across a) Daily office commute - (~15 kms) @ 6-7 kmpl b) Weekend highway drives - (~200-300 kms) @ 11 kmpl c) Occasional off-roading - never figured the mileage there ! That being said - there are ways of making 6-7 in a city to a 8 - let the engine warm up adequately. Similarly - its easy to get a 12 on the highway on the 3.2L - you will just have to drive very softly and be okay with cars of all sizes overtaking you (:P). Suspension & Ride Quality The ride and driving experience are simply no match. Just 2 words which summarise the driving feel of this product - steering and suspension. The car competes with Prado in the more mature Australian and South African markets and the kind of handling it offers makes it completely deserving of that category. I have done significantly long trips on this car without feeling any tiredness whatsoever. Manages curves easily (especially in mountainous terrain) and has good high-speed handling. There is some body-roll in 2nd row but nothing alarming for such a large body-on-frame car. Gearshift Gearshifts are quite decent (I have no complaints whatsoever) and the best part about it is that Ford improves it with every upgrade and releases upgrades roughly twice a year. Sports mode is handy thought I barely use it on the highway (except if you need to make a series of overtakes in hilly terrains). A paddle shift would have been a big wow ! However, in my opinion, the absence of the paddle shift does not put the car at a significant disadvantage for someone to change their purchase decision. All that said - the transfer case for the older new generation Endeavours remain a challenge - quite a few of them have been replaced and it may be in everyone's interest to get make sure that early warning signs are accounted for before the car slips out of warranty. Interior storage, practicality & boot space The glove box and center armrest console have adequate space to hold a lot of items. I have added a rack on the armrest console (from Amazon) and that allows quick access to smaller items like gauges, keys etc. All doors have provisions to keep water bottles - the rear ones can actually store 2 in each which I find very handy. Boot space, for me, is reasonably decent. It does need a layer of protection though - the rear portion of the seats is fabric which gets torn off easily and the beige plastics are scratch prone as well. I would have liked Ford to provide more tie points for bungee cords (I like to strap everything tight so that nothing moves even when off-roading, also good from a safety standpoint). For longer trips, pop down the 2nd row and its a small motor home then ! Other Callouts Overall quality of plastics inside is pretty good. Handles provided are adequate - could have provided a better way to get into the 3rd row perhaps ! 18-inchers are okay - its fairly balanced except that it reduces the number of tyre options you can choose from. 17 inchers would have been way more handy (and also helpful in off-road conditions) but I understand how Ford would have wanted to optimise on looks, turn stability and performance to make the 18 inch selection. Steel spare sucks ! MRF is horrible ! Air conditioning is powerful and effective - no concerns there whatsoever. Off-road performance From a purely off-roading perspective, while its overall competitive as a package (the on-the-fly diff lock is very useful), there are some major gaps.
Design elements worth calling out with pictures The visor can be extended to cover the entire side window - its a really useful feature which almost goes unnoticed: A-Pillar blind-spot is pretty significant (or so I feel) - there are often right turns where one needs to be really careful: The center console looks super elegant and classy: And Android Auto is almost a necessity: The LIM feature is useful - avoid speeding tickets and improve mileage: The sunroof can give you pretty pictures like this one: And you can have BMW for company (thats Manish bhai's Endeavour in background): Playing around with Sync3 (thanks to bhpian A.G): Modifications and Upgrades When you buy a large SUV - you make sure your credit card is never out of touch with a machine ! The khujli to make changes to the car gets easily supplemented by YouTube videos, WhatsApp groups, and fellow group members (in my case - the good folks at Northern Overlanders who provided a smooth demonstration of the smaller toys you could attach to the big toy and also connected me to all the good toy shops around !!).
Building your SUV is always a 'work in progress'. For me personally - the next set of items would be Oldman EMU suspension and bumper mods Service and repairs My car has been serviced at Bhavna Ford (Nerul), Tanish Ford (Gurgaon), Harpreet Ford (Gurgaon) and Tricity Ford (Panchkula) - mostly a good experience everywhere. Bhavna and Harpreet usually took longer and are crowded, Tanish is crowded but good, Tricity has been the best so far and the quickest. I have thoroughly enjoyed warranty privileges and simplicity of the processes (even if it takes time on occasion) around it - I have so far changed all lug nuts, front hood shockers, rear trunk shockers, one engine mount, USB point slot, brake discs, front parking sensor, TPMS kit, lifting jack, EGR sensor, AC re-circulation flap motor and probably some more items without a lot of haggling. Another point worth calling out is that Black as a color is difficult to maintain - the car gets dirty really quickly (be it dust during the dry season or wet mud during rains) - needs Jopasu duster to be used frequently alongwith regular visits to your nearest reliable spa. I would NOT recommend Black as a color for this car unless you are prepared to invest time and money here. That being said - when the car is clean and shiny, there is no way you can't fall in love. For interiors - I use Meguiar's leather treatment (spray and balm) every month. I only have cracks on the driver right side - perhaps its the abrasive nature of jeans and the action of getting in & out of the car which has caused these - rest of the seats are in fully healthy condition (my rear seats are rarely used). ![]() EGR sensor being replaced (under warranty) ![]() Engine mount being changed (under warranty) - eliminated vibrations which I had gotten so used to that it felt like a new car again ! Some memorable moments The first wash (side effects of buying a car in the middle of the monsoon season in Mumbai): Golden Quadrilateral - We (me and bhpian Ragh_bhushan) decided to drive non-stop through Delhi - Kolkata - Chennai - Bangalore - Mumbai - Ahmedabad - Delhi route. The car was driven (rather pushed) for a good 73 hours in a go as we finished the entire route in 77 hours (missing the Limca record by just 1 hour - you will know why in the video). We had one minor and one major niggle - Loose horn cables meant we had to drive without one from Chennai to Bangalore and the lug nut issue (fixed later) meant it took us ages to get a punctured tyre out (remember Yokohama Geolanders!). On another note - it took 3 rounds of washing to get all the dirt out. Ladakh Trip - Perhaps most strenuous trip from car abuse perspective - - high altitude did not pose any problem with performance (except for a momentary 15 mins !). Mileage at high altitudes was ~7 kmpl which I found okay given that we were pushing most of the time. Conquered some good high mountain passes (will probably be writing separately about it). The only damage in the entire trip was the stabiliser bar which came off and had to be tied using jugged in the second half of the trip. Yokhama did its job really well and somehow managed to carry a nail inside it through the trip - zero punctures. Spiti Valley - Two major highlights for the car from this trip - a) it started in one go despite being in minus 28 overnight (11+ hours) - I had only changed coolant with an undiluted one, put up diesel antifreeze and a new battery. b) there were some squeaks from suspension during the snow drive - which was rather scary but friends at Northern Overlanders confirmed that it is pretty usual at those temps. Car performed absolutely fine in snow - I think Snow mode is perhaps the only one in TMS which comes close to being useful. those temperature readings (the external TPMS could not even register a reading) Last edited by Sheel : 31st January 2020 at 09:31. Reason: Endy = Endeavour |
![]() | ![]() |
The following 38 BHPians Thank prateekvidya for this useful post: | .anshuman, 2himanshu, A.G., Ace F355, Arjan, blackwasp, Cyborg, Dr.AD, driving_smartly, FORTified, GTO, icar, InControl, jailbird_fynix, JatinSharma, jithin23, KrisTvpm, lamborghini, livyodream, LoneTraveller, mh09ad5578, neil.jericho, nkapoor777, PraNeel, Researcher, roby_dk, ruzbehxyz, Samfromindia, Shalom1506, siddarthab, sourabhzen, sub.g84, Surprise, tejas08, Torino, TROOPER, Turbanator, vredesbyrd |
|
![]() | #2 |
BHPian ![]() Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Panchkula
Posts: 111
Thanked: 289 Times
| re: 72000 km with my Ford Endeavour 3.2L - Ownership Experience Jaisalmer Dune bashing - Performed really well (mostly on 3L - open diff) with some opportunity areas - a 2-inch suspension lift is required, and both bumpers are prone to being torn off from time to time. The best part is that its very easy to put the bumpers back in position and the clips don’t break that easily (like what Ford has done here in terms of quality). This was all under tyre pressure of 15-18 psi. ![]() with bhpian Ace F355's Lal Ghoda and the rising sun - read more about the lal ghoda here ![]() red and black ![]() ![]() ![]() reasons to go off the road - the views ! ![]() Endeavour doing what it does best ![]() a view with the sun setting down ![]() ![]() Red, White and Black - Ford everywhere ![]() Northern Overlanders afternoon desert camping Apart from these major trips - the car has been driven pretty much across the country - here are some more snapshots : ![]() in familiar territory near ORAZ ![]() driving into the sunset ![]() airing up after a snow drive near Manali ![]() the pleasures of 4W-Life ![]() White on Black ! ![]() it gets amazingly dark inside with snow all over you ! ![]() ![]() playing with mud ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() with bhpian Ragh_bhushan's Furteela ![]() when it almost looks like a Range Rover !! Overall - its been an amazing ownership experience - I still look forward to getting behind the wheel as though as car is still new. To many more miles... ... ... Last edited by Sheel : 31st January 2020 at 09:34. Reason: Endy = Endeavour |
![]() | ![]() |
The following 90 BHPians Thank prateekvidya for this useful post: | .anshuman, 2himanshu, abhinavinc, Ace F355, AnandB, anandhsub, anandpadhye, anumod, Arbind Ray, Arjan, Arnav Vaghela, ask_017, BLACKBLADE, blackwasp, BoneCollector, cn.vishnu, Cyborg, deepfreak15, Dr.AD, drhoneycake, driving_smartly, ego4evr, FORTified, Funny, ganeshb, GTO, gururajrv, Hatari, HR 16, icar, ike, InControl, irajput, jailbird_fynix, JatinSharma, jithin23, jnanesh, JohnyBoy, klgiridhar, KrisTvpm, lamborghini, mac187, mh09ad5578, motorpsycho, Nalin1, navad29, neil.jericho, Overlander, PapaBravo, PraNeel, psispace, RAHS, raihan, RedTerrano, RemingtonSteele, Researcher, revvy_bhala, roby_dk, Rohit_Quad, rovingeye, rutvij, ruzbehxyz, samabhi, Samfromindia, SamitMukherjee, sayakc, sayyam.gaur58, sgm, Shalom1506, Shreyans_Jain, shreyasnb, shrinath_m2, siddarthab, sub.g84, Sunil2307, Surprise, tejas08, Torino, TROOPER, truezealous, Turbanator, varunraizada, Vasuki, Vid6639, vigneshkumar31, vijay_rodie, vishy76, vk007, vredesbyrd, Who_are_you |
![]() | #3 |
BHPian ![]() | re: 72000 km with my Ford Endeavour 3.2L - Ownership Experience WOW ! This was one review that I was so waiting for ! The car (SuZie) has been an inspiration in terms of what all you have done with it . Every one you have mentioned is special. That GQ trip, we were all so glued to the progress, the trips to the Himalayas were all so inspiring (read depressing for us who couldn't make it) and those small trips around Mumbai when you were around and I was lucky to accompany you in were all so amazing. I doubt many owners of SUVs would actually use it the way you have making it do whatever it was built for. Keep inspiring and a superb writeup with majestic pictures. |
![]() | ![]() |
The following 6 BHPians Thank varunraizada for this useful post: | blackwasp, irajput, prateekvidya, Shalom1506, vishy76, vk007 |
![]() | #4 |
Senior - BHPian ![]() | re: 72000 km with my Ford Endeavour 3.2L - Ownership Experience ![]() ![]() I feel regular updates on this thread and mine will go a long way to establish reliability parameters, especially from a 4x4 perspective, for this generation of Endeavour. Let's keep munching more miles and keep sharing notes. |
![]() | ![]() |
The following 5 BHPians Thank Ace F355 for this useful post: | Dr.AD, prateekvidya, roby_dk, ruzbehxyz, vk007 |
![]() | #5 | |
Senior - BHPian ![]() Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: MH02 to MH46
Posts: 1,666
Thanked: 6,905 Times
| re: 72000 km with my Ford Endeavour 3.2L - Ownership Experience Quote:
![]() Very informative. This makes me proud of owning one. This SUV is easily the best Ford vehicle ever launched in India. Sadly it has come when Ford is not doing well worldwide. Hope the next generation BSVI Endeavour is a game changer. | |
![]() | ![]() |
The following BHPian Thanks ruzbehxyz for this useful post: | prateekvidya |
![]() | #6 |
Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | Re: 72000 km with my Ford Endeavour 3.2L - Ownership Experience Thread moved from the Assembly Line to the Ownership Section. Thanks for sharing! Your car will go to our homepage today ![]() |
![]() | ![]() |
The following 2 BHPians Thank GTO for this useful post: | roby_dk, vijay_rodie |
![]() | #7 | |
BHPian ![]() | Re: 72000 km with my Ford Endeavour 3.2L - Ownership Experience Quote:
Overall loved reading your ownership experience and the pictures, especially the off roading ones. Some of them are wallpaper worthy ![]() | |
![]() | ![]() |
![]() | #8 | |
Senior - BHPian ![]() Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Wellington
Posts: 3,286
Thanked: 6,052 Times
| Re: 72000 km with my Ford Endeavour 3.2L - Ownership Experience Quote:
The foundation of the Endeavor series has always been solid. The first generation that we received was also very good except that it lacked after sales support from Ford India and 20lacs for a Ford, back then, was a bit much. It is good to see a SUV being used the way it should. 99.9% of SUV's sold in our country probably don't do much more than riding over the kerb once in a while and that ends up being the reason to buy an SUV or some high riding vehicle. Thanks for sharing. | |
![]() | ![]() |
The following 3 BHPians Thank sandeepmohan for this useful post: | Researcher, roby_dk, vk007 |
![]() | #9 |
BHPian ![]() Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: KOL-DEL-LKO
Posts: 720
Thanked: 3,525 Times
| Re: 72000 km with my Ford Endeavour 3.2L - Ownership Experience Wonderful review Prateekvidya. The review has been very honest and provides complete ownership experience. The pictures are pretty amazing as well. Are you on stock suspensions ? Wish you many more miles on the Endy !! Cheers, Pawan |
![]() | ![]() |
The following 2 BHPians Thank PapaBravo for this useful post: | roby_dk, vk007 |
![]() | #10 |
BHPian Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Dushanbe
Posts: 53
Thanked: 143 Times
| Re: 72000 km with my Ford Endeavour 3.2L - Ownership Experience Excellent ownership report, Pratik. Loved the mud bashing picture the most. I would also have picked Ford Endeavour over Toyota Fortuner any day between the two. But one thing which I don't like in current SUVs is that they have lost their boxy & butch looks and somehow I don't like those curves on cars at least. ![]() Loved design of Old Endeavour more than the present one. Old Pajero had very killer looks. |
![]() | ![]() |
The following BHPian Thanks RahuKetu for this useful post: | roby_dk |
![]() | #11 |
Senior - BHPian | Re: 72000 km with my Ford Endeavour 3.2L - Ownership Experience That’s an ownership report Ford wouldn’t mind sharing on Endeavour’s official website. Be it the clarity in penning down the vehicle’s pros and cons, the photos that do the car (and the landscape) justice or the crisp narration, this thread was an excellent read! The Endeavour is the best premium SUV on sale in India and deserves to sell more than what it does! I’m not saying it’s a flop but seeing the Fortuner run circles around the Ford month-on-month on the sales charts has been disappointing. The Fortuner is good, no doubt, but the Endeavour is in a different level altogether. As folks pointed out, the Everest competes with the Land Cruiser Prado globally and Ford India has done a stellar job in offering it here at these price levels. I'm glad they tasted success with the Endeavour here. Keep conquering terrains with your beast! Happy mile-munching! |
![]() | ![]() |
The following BHPian Thanks arvi86 for this useful post: | roby_dk |
|
![]() | #12 |
BHPian ![]() Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Bathinda
Posts: 234
Thanked: 412 Times
| Re: 72000 km with my Ford Endeavour 3.2L - Ownership Experience A very well written review. You are using your brute the way it is meant to be used. Some of the pictures are really outstanding . It is a clearly better vehicle than the Fortuner, but the one major advantage Fortuner has over Endy is that it is like F.D which can be encased anytime. |
![]() | ![]() |
![]() | #13 |
BHPian ![]() Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Bangalore
Posts: 146
Thanked: 346 Times
| Re: 72000 km with my Ford Endeavour 3.2L - Ownership Experience Awesome review! Wish you many more happy miles with the truck! My current ride is Duster. Thinking of upgrading to a pre-owned Endeavour sometime later this year. Nothing comes close to Endy in this segment. It's a B.O.S.S any day ![]() ![]() Cheers, RAHS |
![]() | ![]() |
The following BHPian Thanks RAHS for this useful post: | roby_dk |
![]() | #14 |
BHPian Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Bangalore
Posts: 586
Thanked: 1,534 Times
| Re: 72000 km with my Ford Endeavour 3.2L - Ownership Experience Super review with even better pics. Like others have mentioned you are using the machine as it is meant to be. I was planning my next upgrade in 1-2 yrs to be a 7 seater AWD in the XUV/Gravitas range but these kind of reviews are definitely making me consider waiting another few years to save for a bigger upgrade. |
![]() | ![]() |
The following 2 BHPians Thank anandhsub for this useful post: | roby_dk, Shalom1506 |
![]() | #15 | ||||||||||
BHPian ![]() Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Panchkula
Posts: 111
Thanked: 289 Times
| Re: 72000 km with my Ford Endeavour 3.2L - Ownership Experience Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
![]() Quote:
![]() Well - sometimes it is (usually on remote roads or off-road) for very short periods of time ! Thank you so much Pawan ! ![]() Yes - I am on stock suspension - its served me well so far (barring a few offroad situations where the exta 2 inches of Oldman EMU would be of help) but I will be upgrading sometime this year (within the next 10-15k kms). Quote:
Quote:
Thank you so much. I agree there - the older generation of Fortuner and Pajero still scores really well on looks. I guess the newer designs are appealing to more people (both in India and outside). I personally still like the older Fortuner look-wise ! Quote:
![]() I do hope with the BS6 model - the Endeavour sales actually become way more competitive. The thing, however, is that Fortuner enjoys such a strong brand position in India that there are owners who wouldn't even have gone through the exercise of test-driving the Endeavour before buying the Fortuner. And as a market which still cares about re-sale value, Toyota becomes the preference for most. Quote:
![]() Yes - thats true. Fortuner does command a higher re-sale value. I, however, believe that the compromise on driving experience and comfort is still way more than the gains on resale if your intended ownership is anywhere in the 7-8 years mark. Besides - who knows what the resale value of these large diesel cars would be post 2025 ! The smart move would be to enjoy the best product before electric/hybrid ![]() Quote:
![]() That will be a good choice ! Look forward to your experience and pictures !! Quote:
![]() | ||||||||||
![]() | ![]() |
The following 7 BHPians Thank prateekvidya for this useful post: | kptraveller, mh09ad5578, PapaBravo, Researcher, roby_dk, Shalom1506, vijay_rodie |
![]() |