Water seepage problem on testdrive swift diesel

.anshuman · 3rd August 2007, 17:49

On thursday morning a friend asks me to comeover with him to testdrive swift diesel as he is fed up of high running and maintainance costs of his ford ikon so he was confused on 'which diesel'?i recommended him everything from swift to verna to scorpio,it rained very heavily on thursday all the roads were water logged we drove to pasco automobiles in a verna CRDi and asked for the testdrive of swift,the salesman mentions the 2-3month waiting still we agreed for a testdrive.

The testdrive car was a skyblue car with dream diesel stickers all over,as we sit in the car we observe the worn interiors and doors which shut with rattle,this car has run for just 3800kms.i felt shoes wet ,oops it was water filled in the car we ignored it as the salesman tells us that the car was parked on a water logged road.On the testdrive we passed a water logged road and more water entered the car though it was not very deep,we crossed the same road in the verna before not a single drop entered the car.

Other major thing i observed was the car was rattling like a taxi indica and the engine was very noisy compared to my previous testdrives.it was a major turnoff my friend now says he will anything but not a swift or any other maruti car.

MODS : Pls move the thread if posted inappropriate.

arunphilip · 3rd August 2007, 18:08

Sounds like a heavily used TD vehicle.

Ask your friend to try TDing another Swift D from the same or a different dealership.

I've not noticed any out of the ordinary complaints about rain water entering Swifts on the forum, so it might be a one-off anomaly.

Don't ask your friend to discount Swifts on the basis of this single TD vehicle.

Although, if he's looking for an upgrade from the Ikon, he might prefer the josh of the 3-box Verna CRDI over the 2-box Swift.

Jaggu · 3rd August 2007, 18:10

he he thats one poorly maintained test drive car, no water leaks so far for me

spindoc · 4th August 2007, 19:47

Incidentally, my dad's friend has been having water seepage issues with her Swift too (end-06 VXI). Seems she had it inspected and corrected (don't know what they did) a few months back and the problem has resurfaced now. The car's back in the service center now. Could be an issue with some (small number) of the Swifts.

ravibhat · 4th August 2007, 20:43

Water logging into Swift I have noticed as well. The reasons:

Swift beedings are loose and when we open the door I saw sometimes beeding hanging and onetime I offerd garland MUL managers

.

Swift (read it as MUL cars) has bad noice levels, even with Ac on compared with other cars cabin is very noisey.

I found people buy MUL cars for less cost compared with other cars, Wide spread network, Largest selling name, good A.S.S. assumption, good resale value, easy to drive but they forget about quality/refinement.

Regards,

Ravi.

Jaggu · 5th August 2007, 00:19

somebody has had very bad experience with MUL

IMHO MUL is not that bad either, yup it has its own flaws but whatever said and done and whatever be the psyche, it sells at the end of the day, so something should be RIGHT with the cars

spindoc · 5th August 2007, 12:25

@Jaggu,

. MUL is the leader by far and not without reason. Obviously the fact that a few Swifts have water seepage problems doesn't mean that MUL has substantial quality issues... My sis has a Swift too and she's had no probs with it at all..

However, there are a small percentage of customers who do get cars with issues, and that points to some issues with standardization in terms of parts quality / assembly.

.anshuman · 6th August 2007, 01:15

i read a comparison test between swift ,palio and getz long time back in Topgear,even they had a similar water seepage issue with only the swift.

CrAzY dRiVeR · 6th August 2007, 08:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by ravibhat

I found people buy MUL cars for less cost compared with other cars, Wide spread network, Largest selling name, good A.S.S. assumption, good resale value, easy to drive but they forget about quality/refinement.

A car without quality would lose out on the resale value!

Maruti cars are highly reliable, and only problems that comes reported are rattles and such cases. Thats the reason for the high resale value.

bill1182 · 6th August 2007, 09:24

I have a swift and it has not given any water seepage problem so far. I have driven it through water logging till half wheel or more but not a single drop in my car.

Could be in the car what you TD. Check with another dealer.

ravibhat · 6th August 2007, 09:45

I do agree MUL cars highly reliable thats why they are leaders in sales. But they don't deserve appreciation and hype people and MUL creating.

Few people like MUL products few not, few people get bad untis few don't notice it, thats it.

About Swift when I noticed loose beeding even with the car on display in RNS motors, executive said its bit old demo CAR around 10 months old. I noticed same loose beeding once my Swift was 7 months old. When checked with others in my circle they also pointed out same issues what I have faced with Swift. Infact few things they noticed and came to know only after I asked them to check out.

I took MUL managers to at least 4 different places in and around bangalore and made them understand issues Swift has for indian roads.They were amazed and told me better I become advisor for Swift road testing

They also assured me they will report the issues I have shown them and offered me extra 2 years extended warranty

in addition to extended warranty already I had.

Regards,

Ravi.

phamilyman · 6th August 2007, 10:14

Anshuman,

Your friend's deduction is incorrect. If anything, isn't it appropriate to make up one's mind on the basis of a single vehicle. Case in Point: Bullets. You get the best and the worst.

Why not TD 3-4 vehicles and then list out issues that are minor and can be managed at a minor cost? 190Nm@2000rpm is indeed quite a juicy engine to pass up

benbsb29 · 6th August 2007, 11:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

A car without quality would lose out on the resale value!

Maruti cars are highly reliable, and only problems that comes reported are rattles and such cases. Thats the reason for the high resale value.

Marutis are reliable, which explains why they fare well on resale. Refinement levels arent really 'the best' or among the best.

P.S. : Before you start taking me to the cleaners, let me mention that i admire Marutis for what they are, and would also have been on the car that i own list, if it wasnt for some decisions where the heart rules over the mind.

srishiva · 6th August 2007, 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by ravibhat

Water logging into Swift I have noticed as well. The reasons:

Swift beedings are loose and when we open the door I saw sometimes beeding hanging and onetime I offerd garland MUL managers

.

Swift (read it as MUL cars) has bad noice levels, even with Ac on compared with other cars cabin is very noisey.

I found people buy MUL cars for less cost compared with other cars, Wide spread network, Largest selling name, good A.S.S. assumption, good resale value, easy to drive but they forget about quality/refinement.

Regards,

Ravi.

There are cheaper cars than Marutis in different segments. You are debasing people who buy Marutis. They became largest selling, with good resale value, with good quality/refinement (for the money you pay). Its not the other way around.
I am still in suspended state with one foot in the U.S and other here. I drive Accord, Civic and TSX while I drive a Swift and Citywhen I am here. I think Maruti offers best VFM.

kuttapan · 6th August 2007, 16:21

@Ravibhat - What are the specific Swift problems you are speaking of? WHere in Bangalore did you take these managers to?

I have some water seeping issues as well, will mention details on my thread when I update next.

3rd August 2007, 17:49	#1
.anshuman Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Good-Gaon Posts: 7,763 Thanked: 11,124 Times View My Garage	Water seepage problem on testdrive swift diesel On thursday morning a friend asks me to comeover with him to testdrive swift diesel as he is fed up of high running and maintainance costs of his ford ikon so he was confused on 'which diesel'?i recommended him everything from swift to verna to scorpio,it rained very heavily on thursday all the roads were water logged we drove to pasco automobiles in a verna CRDi and asked for the testdrive of swift,the salesman mentions the 2-3month waiting still we agreed for a testdrive. The testdrive car was a skyblue car with dream diesel stickers all over,as we sit in the car we observe the worn interiors and doors which shut with rattle,this car has run for just 3800kms.i felt shoes wet ,oops it was water filled in the car we ignored it as the salesman tells us that the car was parked on a water logged road.On the testdrive we passed a water logged road and more water entered the car though it was not very deep,we crossed the same road in the verna before not a single drop entered the car. Other major thing i observed was the car was rattling like a taxi indica and the engine was very noisy compared to my previous testdrives.it was a major turnoff my friend now says he will anything but not a swift or any other maruti car. MODS : Pls move the thread if posted inappropriate.
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3rd August 2007, 18:08	#2
arunphilip Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,013 Thanked: 6,481 Times View My Garage	Sounds like a heavily used TD vehicle. Ask your friend to try TDing another Swift D from the same or a different dealership. I've not noticed any out of the ordinary complaints about rain water entering Swifts on the forum, so it might be a one-off anomaly. Don't ask your friend to discount Swifts on the basis of this single TD vehicle. Although, if he's looking for an upgrade from the Ikon, he might prefer the josh of the 3-box Verna CRDI over the 2-box Swift.
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3rd August 2007, 18:10	#3
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,384 Thanked: 17,299 Times	he he thats one poorly maintained test drive car, no water leaks so far for me
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4th August 2007, 19:47	#4
spindoc BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Madras Posts: 359 Thanked: 295 Times	Incidentally, my dad's friend has been having water seepage issues with her Swift too (end-06 VXI). Seems she had it inspected and corrected (don't know what they did) a few months back and the problem has resurfaced now. The car's back in the service center now. Could be an issue with some (small number) of the Swifts.
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4th August 2007, 20:43	#5
ravibhat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,250 Thanked: 37 Times View My Garage	Water logging into Swift I have noticed as well. The reasons: Swift beedings are loose and when we open the door I saw sometimes beeding hanging and onetime I offerd garland MUL managers . Swift (read it as MUL cars) has bad noice levels, even with Ac on compared with other cars cabin is very noisey. I found people buy MUL cars for less cost compared with other cars, Wide spread network, Largest selling name, good A.S.S. assumption, good resale value, easy to drive but they forget about quality/refinement. Regards, Ravi.
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5th August 2007, 00:19	#6
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,384 Thanked: 17,299 Times	somebody has had very bad experience with MUL IMHO MUL is not that bad either, yup it has its own flaws but whatever said and done and whatever be the psyche, it sells at the end of the day, so something should be RIGHT with the cars
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5th August 2007, 12:25	#7
spindoc BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Madras Posts: 359 Thanked: 295 Times	@Jaggu, . MUL is the leader by far and not without reason. Obviously the fact that a few Swifts have water seepage problems doesn't mean that MUL has substantial quality issues... My sis has a Swift too and she's had no probs with it at all.. However, there are a small percentage of customers who do get cars with issues, and that points to some issues with standardization in terms of parts quality / assembly.
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6th August 2007, 01:15	#8
.anshuman Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Good-Gaon Posts: 7,763 Thanked: 11,124 Times View My Garage	i read a comparison test between swift ,palio and getz long time back in Topgear,even they had a similar water seepage issue with only the swift.
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6th August 2007, 09:24	#10
bill1182 BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 167 Thanked: 314 Times	I have a swift and it has not given any water seepage problem so far. I have driven it through water logging till half wheel or more but not a single drop in my car. Could be in the car what you TD. Check with another dealer.
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6th August 2007, 09:45	#11
ravibhat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,250 Thanked: 37 Times View My Garage	I do agree MUL cars highly reliable thats why they are leaders in sales. But they don't deserve appreciation and hype people and MUL creating. Few people like MUL products few not, few people get bad untis few don't notice it, thats it. About Swift when I noticed loose beeding even with the car on display in RNS motors, executive said its bit old demo CAR around 10 months old. I noticed same loose beeding once my Swift was 7 months old. When checked with others in my circle they also pointed out same issues what I have faced with Swift. Infact few things they noticed and came to know only after I asked them to check out. I took MUL managers to at least 4 different places in and around bangalore and made them understand issues Swift has for indian roads.They were amazed and told me better I become advisor for Swift road testing They also assured me they will report the issues I have shown them and offered me extra 2 years extended warranty in addition to extended warranty already I had. Regards, Ravi.
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6th August 2007, 10:14	#12
phamilyman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 5,975 Thanked: 4,673 Times	Anshuman, Your friend's deduction is incorrect. If anything, isn't it appropriate to make up one's mind on the basis of a single vehicle. Case in Point: Bullets. You get the best and the worst. Why not TD 3-4 vehicles and then list out issues that are minor and can be managed at a minor cost? 190Nm@2000rpm is indeed quite a juicy engine to pass up
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6th August 2007, 16:21	#15
kuttapan Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,155 Thanked: 27 Times View My Garage	@Ravibhat - What are the specific Swift problems you are speaking of? WHere in Bangalore did you take these managers to? I have some water seeping issues as well, will mention details on my thread when I update next.
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