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Originally Posted by a4anurag Man, hats off to you and you family to bear with this company and the lemon that they sold you.
Simple golden rule that VW is forgetting: Customer is God! |
touché! Thats one simple rule, which differentiates winners from losers!
I am sure that your job profile is tedious, but I am also sure that your company's customers go home happy despite initial complaints, if any! Reason: the RULE!
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Some on need to hit them hard and make them realize and learn from other manufacturers as to how to deal with customer issues.If you car would have been an Hyundai or a Maruti Suzuki, I am dead sure the issue would not have dragged so far. May be a mail or two would have sorted the problem. So many would have bought a new car (replacement I mean ).
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VW in the past couple of years have hired most of their top management from Maruti Suzuki, Hyundai and Tata. When seniors coming from such companies can ignore complaints like this, I am wondering if its the top management in India or that in Germany which is not SERIOUS about INDIA.
Regarding the replacement, getting it is next to impossible, especially in a country like ours. But atleast other OEMs such as MS, hyundai, Honda and others try to help the customer.
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Question to GC: How is the car now after the fuel pump change?
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Havent driven it to be very honest, have been keeping busy. My brother drove it from ASC to home (about 6-7 kms). That time it was fine. Since then, it is parked!
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What would you have done if the same Polo that GC is owning now was with you and you had to go through this harrowing experience? Hand-on-heart answer please.
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That my dear is the right question!
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All the best buddy, may you soon own a reliable workhorse that spends more of its time with the owner + road instead of ASC.
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Thanks dude, I bought a pre-owned baleno a few weeks back and thought that I would give some rest to cedia (now that its over 1.23 lac kms). But looks like the workhorse doesnt have rest in its destiny. I will mostly be driving baleno (after I install cng), for my daily long runs (100 kms or more). And Cedia will be driven by my brother. The polo for now will remain as the third car. When Polo leaves, we may get some diesel car, still undecided.
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Originally Posted by commonman Will see that this information reach out. |
I will be glad. thanks!
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Originally Posted by swiftnfurious I hope the car doesn't trouble you much more. I suggest you send them (VW) a link to the post so that there is some uneasiness in the VW camp! At least, this post will haunt those who are named, for the rest of their life. This may prompt them to work for a company with better ethics, in future. |
I have been posting on their FB wall, I am sure, it will get to them, sooner or later. And I wont stop posting the link till I make sure that anyone who is on team bhp or on FB pages of VW and other auto magazines have read this thread before buying a VW.
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Frankly, the way they behave, I really want VW / Skoda to "adorn" the last spot in the sales chart. Every time they hit a new low, I usually grin ear-to-ear.
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Amen!
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Originally Posted by nitinbose Its so dis-heartening to have such an experience with our beloved vehicles. I can understand Mahindras & Tatas (if they're in a similar manner) because they've got permanent business from the government to such an extent they don't have to worry about the vehicles sold to the general public. |
I havent owned a mahindra ever, but to be very Honest, the Tata Indica we once owned was still much more reliable, despite the fact that it had its own niggling issues. The car lasted 2.5 lac kms with us. The initial 1.5 lac kms with us driving it and the next 1 lac kms as a vehicle for our labour to get to sites! The engine was overhauled at 1.47 lac kms, with no engine issues in between.
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I'm just left wondering despite quite a lot of hues and cries, doesn't VW group care at all? That's where I feel your title is the best! - Arrogance!
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Thats exactly the point, no one apart from VW India - Marketing head bothered to help. But there is so much so that he could do!
Shuu, let me go through your thread and I will reply!
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Originally Posted by poloman Neither they are going to oblige free repair and replacement now on since the warranty is over. |
FYI, I know of more than 5 Cedias including mine which were way beyond the warranty period. The clockspring (in the steering wheel) of all the cars conked off after a few years (4-5 years or more and with 2 cars nearly 80k kms or more). All these cars otherwise were extremely reliable. One email to HM-Mitsubishi by each owner individually at different period of time and they straight away offered 50% off on part and no labour!
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He should have either pushed for a new car (really hard) when major problems started creeping up or sold the car off once it was delivered road worthy for the first time. Now also my advice will be to sell off the car to save oneself from further frustration.
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Do you really think that the OEM replaces the car that easily even if you push hard. There is practically only one way to the get the car replaced - Consumer Court! And did I just say going to consumer court is practical.
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Originally Posted by finneyp Surprised to note that a fuel pump malfunction can happen in a 4 year old car, that too from a global German Auto brand! |
I agree that the quality of fuel in India (mainly south) is pretty bad. However, we are in Delhi and we have been filling fuel in all our cars mainly from one fuel pump. So, the chances of fuel pump going kaput because of adulterated fuel is minimal. Moreover, every OEM make some changes in engines to make them compatible with furl available generally in India.
For that matter, quiet a few cedias had fuel pump issues down south due to adulterated fuel. As a part of an informal recall, HM made sure that they changed fuel pumps of most if not all cedias, even when cars in other parts of country didn't have any noticeable fuel pump issues.
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Secondly, after this major issue was brought to the notice of VW Marketing & Service Head, they should have acknowledged this serious fault with the car & then ensured it is thoroughly investigated, necessary components replaced & rectified and ensured car is running fine perfectly before handing back to the customer.
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As I said earlier, looks like people in Germany itself doesn't care.
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If the SC is bad, we can go to the Company, but if the Company is not ready to listen & help, where will you go?
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I am still waiting for an answer to this question from VW.
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Originally Posted by EcoBeast They only did that because they had no excuses to give, after the facts that Gaurav presented to the customer care and higher officials. It is quite clear that they had been shooting in the dark and had failed repeatedly in diagnosing the root cause. Would they have waved off the bill if they were so sure that they handled the case right from the beginning? I don't think so. |
Thanks for answering. I completely agree with ALL your points!
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Originally Posted by swiftnfurious Did @GC request for a replacement of the car anywhere?
What he has requested is to diagnose the problem accurately! Isn't that tough for the parent company to oblige for? What he re-iterated to them is that do NOT change parts without making sure it's faulty and still charge him for a non-faulty part. It's well within his rights.
Again, these problems first cropped up during his warranty period which still has NOT been rectified. If fuel pump was the "actual" faulty part, they should have replaced it when the issue was reported the first time, which was within the warranty period. Just because they were incapable to find the root of the issue and always tried a "hit & miss" at the expense of the customer, it's NOT really professional of them to wash their hands off the responsibility.
Another point that @GC requested is to assure him that the car will NOT have further issue once they repair it, for 2 years. They have NOT done it - So much is the confidence they have on their own product! |
Thanks for understanding the perspective and making things clear.
I have a question for everyone here. Let me put it in Bold Block letters.
HOW MANY CUSTOMERS ACTUALLY HAVE EMAIL IDS OF SENIOR OFFICIALS? I DO NOT HAVE FIGURES BUT I BELIEVE THE NUMBER WOULD BE IN SINGLE DIGITS, WHEN IN PERCENTAGE.
NOW THINK, IF THIS IS THE RESPONSE FROM VW WHEN THEIR TOP OFFICIALS ARE IN THE LOOP, HOW WOULD CUSTOMER CARE BE TREATING AN AVERAGE CUSTOMER WHO REACHES THEM ONLY ON customer.care@volkswagen.co.in! It can be anyone of us.
In between: getting access to email ids (along with respective positions) require some google search and some common sense.