Alloy Rims for Estilo

hellspawn · 14th June 2007, 18:36

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Originally Posted by manikjeet

It was like in feb end start of march

but i am planning of upgrading them again is it possible to put 14" rim

yes its possible but say goodbye to your ride quality.its like riding a bicycle without any suspension.you will feel each and every rut and hole on the road.
again for 14",the size would be 195/45R14

manikjeet · 14th June 2007, 18:56

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Originally Posted by hellspawn

yes its possible but say goodbye to your ride quality.its like riding a bicycle without any suspension.you will feel each and every rut and hole on the road.
again for 14",the size would be 195/45R14

Thanx man the road in chandigarh are good so it wouldn't affect much

but will the suspension suffer

hellspawn · 15th June 2007, 00:07

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Originally Posted by manikjeet

Thanx man the road in chandigarh are good so it wouldn't affect much

but will the suspension suffer

well there is no supporting evidence to claim that the suspension suffers.instead of the suspension being changed at 50+kkms,it wil get changed at 40kkms.all this is assumption.the suspension wont suffer overnight.
but since roads in chandigarh are pretty good,i see no reason for the suspension failing quickly.

vebmetal · 4th July 2007, 13:49

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Originally Posted by kpzen

165/65-13 isn't a correct upsize though....

These could be the best upsize in 13" for Estillo
155/65-13
165/60-13
175/60-13
185/55-13

So if I get this correct,

Stock = 155/65-13
Alternative configs:
165/60-13
175/60-13
185/55-13

What are the advantages / disadvantages of each alternate size? Such as in term of fuel efficiency, handling, safety, weight the car can handle etc.? (I assume each different config costs about the same).

vebmetal · 11th July 2007, 15:20

ok great... thanks guys.. no replies... anyway the dealer recommends Neo 13" x 5.5" Rally Rims with 155/65 R13 wheels, so I guess I will go with that.

Akshay1234 · 11th July 2007, 16:10

i think 165/60 would be fine.

ravi@64bhp · 11th July 2007, 20:08

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Originally Posted by vebmetal

ok great... thanks guys.. no replies... anyway the dealer recommends Neo 13" x 5.5" Rally Rims with 155/65 R13 wheels, so I guess I will go with that.

Though you get good grip with 165/60 R13, better stick to 155/65 R13 which gives you optimum handling and ride quality. Go for Michelin XM1 in case of 155/65 R13. I have been using them for the last 2000km in my WagonR and felt very comfortable, slight increase in fuel efficiency and tyre noise decreased a lot.

If you are going for 165/60 though, only go for Bridgestone Potenza which costs you 2800 per tyre. There are performance series tyres from bridgestone which fits to WagonR/Estilo very well.

vebmetal · 13th July 2007, 02:01

The Vxi has stock 155/65 R13 and that's what the dealer recommends for the best FE. Michelin XM1 will cost me an extra Rs. 2000 for 5 tyres (as opposed to any other brand of tubeless) but since people on team-bhp recommend them so highly maybe I will go for that expense.

As far as alloys go, I am undecided between Neo's Rally 13" SM (quoted Rs. 15,500 for 5 wheels) or Maruti's own MGA alloys that are featured in the Estilo Pamphlet (Rs. 17,500 for 5 wheels). The dealer recommends the latter on the reasoning that it is MGA, and made by Aura.

What do you guys say to that? (Am thinking of making the purchase in the next day or two, so quick replies would be appreciated!!

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rks · 13th July 2007, 12:21

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Originally Posted by vebmetal

The Vxi has stock 155/65 R13 and that's what the dealer recommends for the best FE.
As far as alloys go, I am undecided between Neo's Rally 13" SM (quoted Rs. 15,500 for 5 wheels) or Maruti's own MGA alloys that are featured in the Estilo Pamphlet (Rs. 17,500 for 5 wheels). The dealer recommends the latter on the reasoning that it is MGA, and made by Aura.

I suggest you go for the alloys recommended by Maruti for Estilo. This will gurantee that you will not have any problems with the fit; incorrect offset or PCD could cause high-speed vibrations, steering/braking problems or fouling.

If you are going for aftermarket alloys I think 5J will be better than 5.5J for 155/65 R13 tyres taking into account ride comfort and handling; 5.5J is biased towards handling and may give a bad ride on rough roads. There is also less chance of fouling with 5J tyres. See also the recent thread thread by Manojgautham:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...lp-please.html

He has fitted 5.5J alloys on Wagon R and had a fouling problem with 165/65 R13 tyres. Apparently now his problem is solved with 155/65 R13 tyres. But I think 5J is more optimal for this tyre size and you can avoid potential fouling problems that may occur with 5.5J if you wish to upsize your tyres.

You can see the choices available at Neo's website:

Neo Wheels India

The Rally, which you are considering, is 5.5J with an offset of 36 mm. I think Breeze is a better choice if it will fit Estilo (depends on PCD). Breeze is 13"X5J with the same offset, 36 mm; when I enquired some 8 months back I was told that Neo has stopped production of Breeze. The only other choice available in 13"X5J size seems to be Neo Star (which I have on my Santro), but this wheel has a low offset (26 mm) and a PCD of 114.3 mm; the offset and PCD may not match for Estilo.

vebmetal · 14th July 2007, 02:01

Thanks rks! Your advice made my decision much easier (though more expensive too

). I will go to the workshop and check out the alloys in person because I have only seen it in the pamphlet and would like to check them out once before committing to them. (Though there's nowhere that they mention whether these are 5J or 5.5J - but I suppose at the end of the day they would be totally Maruti's responsibility).

vebmetal · 14th July 2007, 12:25

^ I called an aftermarket dealer just to check out the general prices of Aura rims in that size, but he recommended that I not use Alloys at all and only get tubeless tyres, as according to him alloys are heavier and will wear down the suspension much quicker. He said that it's his business to sell them, so why would he recommend not getting them unless it was really the truth.

Now I thought part of the advantage of Alloys is that they are lighter - right?!? So will they truly wear down the suspension quicker? (note that I plan on sticking with the stock tyre size - 155/65 R13).

Is there anything else I can expect in terms of disadvantages of alloys?

rks · 15th July 2007, 16:56

The ill effects of aftermarket alloy wheels on the suspension are often due to using either oversized wheels (dia or width) or wheels with incorrect specifications, e.g. offset or PCD. But if you intend to use Maruti-recommended alloys for the Estilo, you can be sure that the specifications will be correct. And alloy wheels should indeed be lighter than steel wheels of same size. This should in general be beneficial in terms of FE or pickup, although it could make the steering a bit lighter if you use stock size tyres. But if you use grippy tyres like Michelin XM1, that should compensate and make your steering feel good. And alloy wheels are usually of higher width than the stock wheels (I think these must be 4J for the Estilo). My guess is that the Maruti-recommended alloys for Estilo could be 4.5J or 5J. I think 4.5J wheels are either not available in the aftermarket or very difficult to get; I couldn't find one for my old Santro.

I personally am using 5J alloys (against stock 4J) and my wheel offset is 26 mm against the stock figure of 46 mm. I read from many sources that if the offset is lower than stock by an amount larger than 10 mm, the stress on the suspension/steering components would be sigificantly higher and the wheel bearings could wear our prematurely. So far I have run about 9000 kms with these wheels; the low offset together with the increased width make the wheel jut out of the wheel well by about 33 mm. I haven't changed the wheel bearings during this time. The steering seems fine too, although I can sometimes feel a slight deterioration in the precision of the steering response at speeds in excess of 140 kmph; not sure if this is due to the low offset, but anyway not that much of a big deal. I am not experienced enough with alloys to tell you first hand as to what you might expect in the long run.

jitesh_kp2001 · 30th September 2007, 00:34

bro, Estilo vxi comes with 155/65 R 13 and not 145/70 R 13.

ultimatechamp · 15th June 2008, 10:16

Friends,what would be the correct upsize for my Zen Estilo Lxi which comes with 145/70 R13?I do not want to give away too much comfort or ride quality for looks and FE only and also do not want it to be too much 'in your face' sort of thing!

Thanks to all

rajeshtk · 29th September 2009, 13:59

I have a Zen Estilo LXI with its stock wheel rim and stock set of tyres(145X70 R13)

NOw, I'd like to keep the steel wheel as it is and change the tyres to 185X55 R13.

Is it a proper change?

Has anyone tried that?
Any idea on the possible sidewall scraping?

11th July 2007, 15:20	#20
vebmetal BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 798 Thanked: 21 Times	ok great... thanks guys.. no replies... anyway the dealer recommends Neo 13" x 5.5" Rally Rims with 155/65 R13 wheels, so I guess I will go with that.
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11th July 2007, 16:10	#21
Akshay1234 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 10,265 Thanked: 12,317 Times	i think 165/60 would be fine.
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13th July 2007, 02:01	#23
vebmetal BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 798 Thanked: 21 Times	The Vxi has stock 155/65 R13 and that's what the dealer recommends for the best FE. Michelin XM1 will cost me an extra Rs. 2000 for 5 tyres (as opposed to any other brand of tubeless) but since people on team-bhp recommend them so highly maybe I will go for that expense. As far as alloys go, I am undecided between Neo's Rally 13" SM (quoted Rs. 15,500 for 5 wheels) or Maruti's own MGA alloys that are featured in the Estilo Pamphlet (Rs. 17,500 for 5 wheels). The dealer recommends the latter on the reasoning that it is MGA, and made by Aura. What do you guys say to that? (Am thinking of making the purchase in the next day or two, so quick replies would be appreciated!! )
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14th July 2007, 02:01	#25
vebmetal BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 798 Thanked: 21 Times	Thanks rks! Your advice made my decision much easier (though more expensive too ). I will go to the workshop and check out the alloys in person because I have only seen it in the pamphlet and would like to check them out once before committing to them. (Though there's nowhere that they mention whether these are 5J or 5.5J - but I suppose at the end of the day they would be totally Maruti's responsibility).
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14th July 2007, 12:25	#26
vebmetal BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 798 Thanked: 21 Times	^ I called an aftermarket dealer just to check out the general prices of Aura rims in that size, but he recommended that I not use Alloys at all and only get tubeless tyres, as according to him alloys are heavier and will wear down the suspension much quicker. He said that it's his business to sell them, so why would he recommend not getting them unless it was really the truth. Now I thought part of the advantage of Alloys is that they are lighter - right?!? So will they truly wear down the suspension quicker? (note that I plan on sticking with the stock tyre size - 155/65 R13). Is there anything else I can expect in terms of disadvantages of alloys?
	() Thanks

15th July 2007, 16:56	#27
rks BANNED Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ?? Posts: 1,238 Thanked: 17 Times	The ill effects of aftermarket alloy wheels on the suspension are often due to using either oversized wheels (dia or width) or wheels with incorrect specifications, e.g. offset or PCD. But if you intend to use Maruti-recommended alloys for the Estilo, you can be sure that the specifications will be correct. And alloy wheels should indeed be lighter than steel wheels of same size. This should in general be beneficial in terms of FE or pickup, although it could make the steering a bit lighter if you use stock size tyres. But if you use grippy tyres like Michelin XM1, that should compensate and make your steering feel good. And alloy wheels are usually of higher width than the stock wheels (I think these must be 4J for the Estilo). My guess is that the Maruti-recommended alloys for Estilo could be 4.5J or 5J. I think 4.5J wheels are either not available in the aftermarket or very difficult to get; I couldn't find one for my old Santro. I personally am using 5J alloys (against stock 4J) and my wheel offset is 26 mm against the stock figure of 46 mm. I read from many sources that if the offset is lower than stock by an amount larger than 10 mm, the stress on the suspension/steering components would be sigificantly higher and the wheel bearings could wear our prematurely. So far I have run about 9000 kms with these wheels; the low offset together with the increased width make the wheel jut out of the wheel well by about 33 mm. I haven't changed the wheel bearings during this time. The steering seems fine too, although I can sometimes feel a slight deterioration in the precision of the steering response at speeds in excess of 140 kmph; not sure if this is due to the low offset, but anyway not that much of a big deal. I am not experienced enough with alloys to tell you first hand as to what you might expect in the long run. Last edited by rks : 15th July 2007 at 17:03.
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30th September 2007, 00:34	#28
jitesh_kp2001 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: new delhi Posts: 20 Thanked: 2 Times	bro, Estilo vxi comes with 155/65 R 13 and not 145/70 R 13.
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15th June 2008, 10:16	#29
ultimatechamp BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kolkata Posts: 463 Thanked: 161 Times View My Garage	Friends,what would be the correct upsize for my Zen Estilo Lxi which comes with 145/70 R13?I do not want to give away too much comfort or ride quality for looks and FE only and also do not want it to be too much 'in your face' sort of thing! Thanks to all
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29th September 2009, 13:59	#30
rajeshtk Newbie Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 13 Thanked: 0 Times	I have a Zen Estilo LXI with its stock wheel rim and stock set of tyres(145X70 R13) NOw, I'd like to keep the steel wheel as it is and change the tyres to 185X55 R13. Is it a proper change? Has anyone tried that? Any idea on the possible sidewall scraping?
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