Bolero XDP Engine Vs Bolero DI Turbo

Red Liner · 27th January 2009, 11:11

Been doing some research on the Bolero's since they launched and test driven a few too. I was keen on gleaming through the technical and virtual differences between these two engines.

Driveability: The G series made about 72.5 horses @ 4000 RPM. Whereas the S series makes about 63 horses @ 3200 RPM. So round 1 goes to the S series for driveability in the city. The power comes in earlier.

Torque: The G series is rated at about [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000000]15.5 kgm @ 2000 rpm whereas the S series gives you about 18 kgm @ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]1500-1800 RPM. Thats very good in the city.

I think then the only thing that rules in favour of the older engine is top end power @ 72.5 horses and the fact that the engine is super smooth and uber quiet.

Am I right or are there any more driver differences I am missing out on?

harjeev · 27th January 2009, 14:33

Hi
Is this XDP engine the same that comes with an Army MM550?
The Army is with these specifications

Engine DIESEL XD3 P
Type 4 Stroke : 4 Cylinder, Inline
Bore/Stroke 94 mm / 90 mm
Capacity 2498 cc
Maximum Horse Power 76 @ 4500 RPM (DIN70020)
Maximum Torque 15.3 kgm @ 2000 RPM (DIN70020)

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Originally Posted by Red Liner

Been doing some research on the Bolero's since they launched and test driven a few too. I was keen on gleaming through the technical and virtual differences between these two engines.

Driveability: The G series made about 72.5 horses @ 4000 RPM. Whereas the S series makes about 63 horses @ 3200 RPM. So round 1 goes to the S series for driveability in the city. The power comes in earlier.

Torque: The G series is rated at about [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000000]15.5 kgm @ 2000 rpm whereas the S series gives you about 18 kgm @ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]1500-1800 RPM. Thats very good in the city.

I think then the only thing that rules in favour of the older engine is top end power @ 72.5 horses and the fact that the engine is super smooth and uber quiet.

Am I right or are there any more driver differences I am missing out on?

akshay4587 · 27th January 2009, 14:40

@Harjeev yes its the same

@Redliner
I have a Bolero GLX with XD3P and it is pretty driveable in city and quite peppy in city and refined as well as compared to the MDI turbo engine.

As of now XD3P is discontinued and MDI has one big flaw that its very noisy and pretty crude as well.

anupmathur · 27th January 2009, 14:44

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Originally Posted by Red Liner

Am I right or are there any more driver differences I am missing out on?

Red, there is a thread running about Bolero Queries - Shankar Balan is the initiator. Surely he'd be a big help here!

Red Liner · 27th January 2009, 14:58

Perfect, I will post up there. Maybe this thread can be closed. Sorry about that!

GTO · 27th January 2009, 15:09

My pick between the two is the XDP. It revvs higher, offers fantastic driveability, has better top-end and is one heck of a robust unit. Both engines should be more or less the same on fuel economy. The DI is heavier, noisier and more suited to load / people carrying applications.

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Originally Posted by harjeev

Hi
Is this XDP engine the same that comes with an Army MM550?

Identical, except for the fact that the Army 550 XDP comes kitted with an oil cooler and makes 76 horses.

harjeev · 27th January 2009, 15:34

Thanks for clearing that. My 550 (army disposal) has the same engine

@GTO
When you did the heart transplant of your Classic you put in the same XDP engine Right?

GTO · 27th January 2009, 16:36

Yup, my Classic is currently running the 2.5 XDP.

kicksperliter · 27th January 2009, 16:49

RED LINER.,
i was surprised to see this topic now, i came to create THE SAME thread/topic

....... but the difference was i was about to add BOLERO CRDe also... so can u please add that one to the topic, a poll may be good for this topic.

happy motoring....

Red Liner · 27th January 2009, 17:37

Unfortunately that XDP Engine is no longer available. The DI engine supposedly gives better mileage. *supposedly*!

GTO · 27th January 2009, 18:23

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but the difference was i was about to add BOLERO CRDe also...

No comparison. The CRDe is miles ahead in terms of performance, and is the engine to root for. However, I am only waiting for all our common-rails to pass the 1.0 lakh km mark so that we can gauge longetivity (in the Indian context).

Red Liner · 27th January 2009, 18:33

Worth 1.2L more on-road?

and kickperliter, here is what happened when I test drove the CRDE today...http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ml#post1146813

chanapli · 27th January 2009, 21:12

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Originally Posted by Red Liner

Unfortunately that XDP Engine is no longer available. The DI engine supposedly gives better mileage. *supposedly*!

FYI. Bolero LX (available to Govt agencies - No A/C and PS) still with XDP.

Red Liner · 27th January 2009, 22:07

Thats a verrrrry technical point above

Why on earth would I have another vehicle in my garage without power steering and AC when my ol' lady willy's does that job perfectly!

shankar.balan · 28th January 2009, 10:17

XD3PU engine is available on the SLX variant with 4WD.This is available on order. Pay the advance, order the vehicle and wait for 3 months or so for delivery.
DI Turbo certainly has better mileage overall - about 14kmpl vis a vis the XD3PU (2WD) average of 9-10Kmpl.
DI Turbo is a good chuggy hauling engine but makes a lot of noise - like a tractor. XD3PU was more quiet.

New Crde of course is far better but there are many other things I dont like about the new Crde Bolero in terms of functionality which is why I personally wouldnt buy it - it is too expensive for what one is getting - cost vs benefit ratio is not favourable according to me. I would say any day to buy the LX Scorpio Crde 2.6. Better value.

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Originally Posted by Red Liner

Unfortunately that XDP Engine is no longer available. The DI engine supposedly gives better mileage. *supposedly*!

27th January 2009, 11:11	#1
Red Liner Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,209 Thanked: 18,044 Times	Bolero XDP Engine Vs Bolero DI Turbo Been doing some research on the Bolero's since they launched and test driven a few too. I was keen on gleaming through the technical and virtual differences between these two engines. Driveability: The G series made about 72.5 horses @ 4000 RPM. Whereas the S series makes about 63 horses @ 3200 RPM. So round 1 goes to the S series for driveability in the city. The power comes in earlier. Torque: The G series is rated at about [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000000]15.5 kgm @ 2000 rpm whereas the S series gives you about 18 kgm @ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]1500-1800 RPM. Thats very good in the city. I think then the only thing that rules in favour of the older engine is top end power @ 72.5 horses and the fact that the engine is super smooth and uber quiet. Am I right or are there any more driver differences I am missing out on?
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27th January 2009, 14:40	#3
akshay4587 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chandigarh/Mohali/Ambala Cantt Posts: 4,151 Thanked: 4,525 Times View My Garage	@Harjeev yes its the same @Redliner I have a Bolero GLX with XD3P and it is pretty driveable in city and quite peppy in city and refined as well as compared to the MDI turbo engine. As of now XD3P is discontinued and MDI has one big flaw that its very noisy and pretty crude as well.
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27th January 2009, 14:58	#5
Red Liner Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,209 Thanked: 18,044 Times	Perfect, I will post up there. Maybe this thread can be closed. Sorry about that!
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27th January 2009, 15:34	#7
harjeev Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 1,899 Thanked: 292 Times View My Garage	Thanks for clearing that. My 550 (army disposal) has the same engine @GTO When you did the heart transplant of your Classic you put in the same XDP engine Right?
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27th January 2009, 16:36	#8
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,546 Thanked: 300,764 Times View My Garage	Yup, my Classic is currently running the 2.5 XDP.
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27th January 2009, 16:49	#9
kicksperliter BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: bangalore Posts: 173 Thanked: 254 Times	RED LINER., i was surprised to see this topic now, i came to create THE SAME thread/topic ....... but the difference was i was about to add BOLERO CRDe also... so can u please add that one to the topic, a poll may be good for this topic. happy motoring....
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27th January 2009, 17:37	#10
Red Liner Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,209 Thanked: 18,044 Times	Unfortunately that XDP Engine is no longer available. The DI engine supposedly gives better mileage. supposedly!
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27th January 2009, 18:33	#12
Red Liner Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,209 Thanked: 18,044 Times	Worth 1.2L more on-road? and kickperliter, here is what happened when I test drove the CRDE today...http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ml#post1146813
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27th January 2009, 22:07	#14
Red Liner Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,209 Thanked: 18,044 Times	Thats a verrrrry technical point above Why on earth would I have another vehicle in my garage without power steering and AC when my ol' lady willy's does that job perfectly!
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