It felt like a premium electric vehicle but I was overwhelmed by the number of buttons. My Tata Tiago EV felt simple in a subtle way.

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MG ZS EV

The very next day I got the service done, I took my family for a test drive of MG ZS EV since I had to get that thought out of my system. I knew this would be a financial blunder, but I needed my peace of mind. On my way to the MG showroom, I visited the service center again to get a tentative date for the taillamp assembly replacement. The service manager asked me if I could drop the car again to check out the charging issue – told him would do it once the tail lamp replacement is approved.

Next stop was the MG showroom and there wasn’t anyone but us. The ZS EV felt like a premium car and the entire switch gear felt very European and I loved the tactility of the buttons. The rear seat ergonomics was compromised due to the raised floor – but can live with it. The car had a spare wheel and a lot of boot space – something that we missed in our tiny Tiago. But hey, we could get two of those for the price of the ZS model on display.

The sales advisor offered a test drive, and I got in the front seat. I loved the visibility and the seat comfort. Tiago’s seats are one size small for me. The car felt very comfortable – although I needed some time to get used to things.

To be honest, I felt overwhelmed – there were too many buttons. The Tiago felt simple in a subtle way. I slotted the car in reverse and the poor camera quality was a big turn-off (I thought the Jimny had the most pathetic camera). The car had a lot of errors (Radar and some system malfunctions) for a car that has only run 20k. Felt sorry for the car – sure everyone abuses it.

I could feel the rough road and I thought the ZS was tuned for comfort – I thought the car might be overinflated, but the sales advisor showed me 37 vs. the recommended 35psi. Tata should really have provided a proper TPMS instead of the iTPMS. The MID wasn’t well designed and some info like driving mode was a tiny piece of info in the MID. The drive helped in easing my mind – I won’t be happy with the ZS EV either.

I wished Tata paid a bit more attention to things like how charging is done. With ZS it is as simple as unlocking the car. In the Tiago, the charging port is on the passenger side, and one must open the lid from the driver's side after unlocking the car – a push to open the lid would have made things a lot easier. Also, the charging gun can be released by just unlocking the car – no need to press a button inside the car.

Living with Niggles

I also called up a relative who had a Harrier. He had mentioned that a friend of his has a Nexon EV which was having a lot of issues and found ways to sort the issues. So, we got into a conference call which became more like a support group meeting. We lamented about the issues our cars had and how inept Tata was to sort these out. The owner of Nexon EV was in the same boat as me – the car was lovely but there were far too many issues (he had his AC and battery already replaced within 2 years). We couldn’t find another car that we liked in the respective budget. We both didn’t want another ICE car either. The suggestion I got was to keep ignoring issues till the car breaks down or till service is due – getting every issue fixed as soon as it appears will only waste your time. Looks like that is the only way to remain sane.

Tail Lamp Replacement

The next week the ASM (service manager) confirmed that my tail lamp could be replaced if I drove in. Decided to get it replaced and continue assessing the charging issue. They plugged the car into an AC fast charger, but the radiator fan didn’t have to be ON and the charging started immediately. The technician said the fan would come in after around 30 minutes. I volunteered to wait beside the car and let others go on with their jobs. I spent the time checking out other cars that came in for service.

Wonder why some owners continue to keep the plastic covers:

The dealer also runs Toyota dealerships, and the car belonged to someone in the group:

The fan didn’t turn ON after even an hour and a half and I asked the technician to try taking the car for a spin. We drove around town for some time and came back. It was scorching hot so I thought the fan would turn ON if we plugged in after a drive. The fan didn’t turn ON after even the 30-minute drive. The technician didn’t have any more suggestions and we decided to call it a day and get the tail lamp fixed. I was planning to take the car for a long drive the next day – so we thought would test the car again if I could drive into the service center directly after the drive. There was a mix-up, so the job took more than an hour (somebody picked up the ICE Tiago part once and one of the lamps had a broken clip).

I plugged the car in at night and this time the fan turned on and the car started charging immediately. I was clueless as to what was happening. Took the car for a long drive the next day but couldn’t drive back to the service center as I had to attend a funeral later in the day. Put the car to charge and the issue cropped up again. Left a message to the ASM and shared a video of this – this time with the bonnet open. I had a short vacation and damping planned so didn’t want to keep the car in the service center.

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The tail lamps have hairline cracks everywhere. They are as bad as the ones on my 8-year-old Maruti Brezza.

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Got my car back from its 6-month service. Transmission oil change and general checkup was to be done and it cost me 1714/-.

I had a list of complaints:

• Erratic charging when the fan is required to start charging.
• Folded/Torn beading on passenger side rear window.
• Loose 12v socket (after the wiring was fixed a couple of days after delivery).
• Jittery motion of the driver-side mirror.
• Window rattle on the driver's side (had to keep the door panel pressed with my elbow to stop it).
• Metallic clanking sound from the rear.
• Front passenger side door was hard to close.

The service advisor was helpful and he got all my complaints noted and told me the car would be delivered by evening. I told him that I do not want them to fix the beading with a double sided tape - and he nodded. I also told him not to wash the car since I didn't want swirl marks all around. He tried to push interior cleaning and I refused since I had made it a habit to clean the white upholstery every now and then. I told him about the technician I met a couple of days back and asked If I could meet him before I left for home. The technician came after some time and he told me that he had checked the service history and it seems they might have skipped flashing the VCU and HVAC software after the replacement of the sensor. I decided to go back and not hang around till evening.

Got a call around evening and the service advisor asked if I could wait for another day. I said it was fine as long as they fixed all the issues. I was expecting it anyway since I was checking the Z-connect app from time to time. One can see stats like doors open, charge left, car utilization etc. I knew the car had not been tested for the charging issue - because the car was never put to charge. I decided to not make a big deal out of it since I overheard advisors talking to customers about another service center shutting shop and all the additional workload they have now.

I continued checking the Z-connect app the next day and finally found some activities going on. The car was never put to charge though - I had delivered the car with 41% charge as advised and the car now had about 39% left. Around noon I got a call from the advisor and he said the charging socket had cracks. He said they couldn't claim a warranty on the repair since it had cracks. I was puzzled since I did all the charging duties myself - and did it by the book. Thought it might be another QC issue. He told me it would cost around 700/- and I told them to carry out the replacement as long as it fixed my issue. Was a bit relieved that the part didn't cost a lot to replace. Since I had a meeting scheduled late in the evening - I followed up with the advisor multiple times and finally he told me the car was almost ready. I told him I'd pick it up in an hour and left home to get the car back.

Since I couldn't find the car in the delivery area, I went inside and met with the advisor. He said the car was now in the wash - I reminded him that I told him not to wash the car. He grinned and said it would just be over now and asked me to wait. After some time my car was brought in and I decided to check the work done.

• Erratic Charging when the Fan is required to start charging - Couldn't check as it was getting late for my meeting.
• Folded/Torn beading on passenger side rear window - fixed with 3M tape.
• Loose 12v socket - replaced with one from Tigor.
• Jittery motion of the driver-side mirror - didn't fix.
• Window rattle on driver side - couldn't check but they had clearly opened the panel.
• Metallic clanking sound from the rear - I couldn't reproduce it myself as I drove in. Think it went away on its own after I refilled the tires. They didn't find anything wrong with suspension or underbody.
• Front passenger side door was hard to close - they grinded some parts of the latch area - have some exposed metal now. Wonder if it'll rust without a paint job.

Since I couldn't find the replaced charging socket in the boot, I told the advisor that I need to see the part. He said he will get it and went to the service area. I decided to look for scratches and dings since the car seemed to easily get those, unlike the other Tata cars I knew. While looking at the inside (think they soiled the driver seat and never cared to clean it up after the job), I found the replaced 12V socket. Now I started to wonder if this is what the advisor was talking about. Looking around I found the tail lamps had hairline cracks everywhere. Did not think I noticed it before. I washed the car to take some snaps for my Team-BHP review thread a couple of weeks back. It is as bad as the ones on my 8-year-old Brezza. Could it be because they washed the car while it was still hot from being parked in an open parking area? They clearly had too many cars there.

My car is always parked in covered parking - and is still quite new to crack like this:

The advisor came in and I asked him about the socket - and he clarified that he was talking about the one inside. I told him about the repair done at the same dealer's service center a couple of days after delivery - and that I'm not going to pay for it. Also pointed out the cracks and he said they appear to be cracks from being exposed to harsh sunlight. He agreed that the car was still new and the cracks might be a defect. He said he will get the ASM (service manager) and had me wait more.

I messaged my colleague to push the meeting and decided to get things sorted. The ASM came in after some time and I called up the sales team to talk about the repair done post delivery. The service guys started talking and it seemed nobody wanted to own it. I got annoyed and told them that the car has far too many issues and I have already escalated the issues to their managers - and not to expect me to pay anything. The ASM agreed to get that crossed out from the bill and he got someone to take pictures of the taillamp clusters for a replacement under warranty.

He didn't say much about the jerky motion of the mirror or the beading - guess that is expected in a Tata. Since it was getting late for everyone, I paid the bill for the periodic service and left for home. I couldn't test charging but I hoped it would work since I believed the technician had found the root cause. Once I was done with my meetings, I put the car to charge only to find that the issue was still there. Took a video and sent it to the advisor. Sent another email to the regional manager and the service managers in the loop. I think there is something wrong with electricals and that is what killed my AC the first time. I remember that the car didn't charge for a few hours and I had to re-do the charging ritual to get it to charge - the AC malfunctioned on the same week.

I have asked for someone from Tata's technical team to figure this out. I have run out of patience running behind service technicians who clearly don't understand the issue. And I'm getting the car serviced at the dealer who is supposed to be the best of the lot - the golden child with Toyota genes. Tata clearly needs a better process for handling EV niggles. My patience is running out dealing with all the niggles which doesn't seem to stop. It is like a hydra - guess that is what I'm calling my car - Hydra!

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All sorts of thoughts again started going through my head - MG ZS EV price cut, 2024 Hyundai Creta Facelift.

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Went to the service center to get the car serviced (6 months) and fix the recurring charging issue. Since the Tata EV TMSC app did not list the service center I went to last time, I decided to drive in without an appointment.

The guy at the service desk reception got my details and asked if I had made an appointment – I said NO. He took out a business card and asked me to call up the number and make an appointment for service. I told him that the Tata app doesn’t let me book service at the center; still glued in on his screen he pointed out the dealer’s toll-free number printed on the card.

Fair enough, I asked him if they could have a tech look at the charging issue as a ‘running repair’. He said NO and asked me to get an appointment for a running repair as well. The last few times I brought the car for repairs, I had called the service advisors before driving in, so I guess I didn’t need an appointment then.

Since there were other issues with the car (window rattles, metal clanking sound from the rear), I didn’t want to head home without getting a tech look at the car. I called up the customer relationship manager and complained about this. He came out and we had a chat; a service advisor was assigned, and he noted down my complaint about the charging issue. He handed me a copy of the job card and told me they’d give me a call – I said I’d wait since they were just going to do a diagnosis. Also sent him the video recording from the day before, showing the charging issue just after plugging in.

Unhappy with the treatment (this was after all an issue they supposedly fixed), I sent a message to the Sales Manager (who boasted about matching Toyota’s service experience – since the group were related); I also tried to reach Tata’s regional service manager. Since the regional manager didn’t seem to pick up the call, I sent an email to the mail thread about the delay in AC part replacements. Since the issue cropped up after the service team replaced the radiator fan, I think they are related. The mail had the dealer’s service managers and Tata’s regional service manager looped in. Next, I called up the dealer’s service general manager and told him about my ordeal. He said he’ll help - once he is back in office.

Perhaps I’m acting like a spoiled brat (coming from Maruti and Hyundai) – and decided to keep myself occupied with something else. After waiting for 3 hours, I went back to the service desk since they were just supposed to do a diagnostic. The service advisor said my car is being charged – I told him the car had 94% charge left and you don’t need 3 hours to check for an issue that happens when charging is initiated.

A technician (DTE or something) came down and the advisor asked him to explain their diagnostic to me. He said the car was fine and asked me to have an electrician look at my home wiring for earthing issues. Perplexed, I asked him why it happens only when the radiator fan must turn ON (the car starts charging immediately if the fan doesn’t have to turn on). My home wiring was upgraded recently and the electrician (contracted out) from Tata had checked all this.

I asked him about the error code they said they cleared, and instructions were given to me when I last came there for the same issue (to not let the charge go below 20%). He said whoever told you probably had a misunderstanding and told me I had to run the car down once a month. Now this started to get on my nerves, and I asked him about when does the car decide to turn the fan ON while charging? It turns on even after the car has been idle for more than 6 hours and ambient temperatures are low (night at around 27 degrees Celsius).

He kept telling me about the battery pack having to cool down etc. – but didn’t have a clear answer for reproducing the issue at the service center. The fan had to turn-on, and they just put the car on charge and called it a day. Since I wasn’t backing off – he said he would check the car further if I let them keep the car for a day. Since I was not in the mood to have them waste another day – I told them they could look at this when I bring the car for service. Called up the dealer’s toll free and took an appointment – the next slot was 3 days later. Told them I’ll bring the car back and left.

Tata’s regional service manager replied to my email that the dealer would help in fixing it – no surprises there.

All sorts of thoughts again started going through my head, ‘ZS EV price cut’, ‘Creta Facelift’; Switched to sports mode and floored the car. Just like that, I cut through the traffic and the thoughts – to reach back home with a smile. Tiago EV is a good car – just wish Tata upped the game a bit. The thoughts have now come back as I’m writing this down – guess it’s time for another drive.

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I have compared a few things with my friend's 2023 Kia Seltos facelift and my family's 2016 Tata Tiago.

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Just got the first servicing done. Clocked 1000 km in about 25 days. Did a road trip to Chikkamagalur (from Bangalore). There are many posts here that list down the pros of this car. Let me list down some cons. Note that I will be comparing a few things with my friend's Kia Seltos (facelift) in which I have spent some time, and a few things with the family Tata Tiago (2016, XZ).

• A 360-degree camera is required in this car. At least front parking sensors should have been given. The bonnet visibility is great for driving on open roads, but the same becomes a major con when trying to park in tight spaces. I really wish that a 360-degree camera and front parking sensors were available as official accessories in the near future.
• The infotainment system feels aftermarket (it's from Alpine). Don't get me wrong - it is very responsive and has great visibility even in direct sunlight. However, it's not integrated well with the car. Example: the ADAS and other driver-related settings can only be modified from the driver information interface and not the infotainment system. This is in comparison to Kia's implementation where the settings can be accessed in both.
• Wireless Android Auto has disconnected for me three times so far. This is a known issue. The only way to reconnect was to stop the car and restart the entire car. I did not find a way to restart just the infotainment unit while the car is still running. Or am I missing something?
• The windshield washer spray range is not sufficient at all and is quite disappointing. I am comparing this to our Tata Tiago. Is this the case for others as well? Or is it just my unit?
• There is no play/pause button - neither on the steering wheel nor on the infotainment screen. Why?! Our 2016 Tata Tiago has it! There are empty button slots on the steering wheel on the right side so it could have been easily given. Note: double-clicking the power button on the infotainment screen behaves as mute/unmute.
• The Honda Connect app is very basic. It's miles behind Kia's app. The features mostly work but the app is not as polished. Example 1: I tried the fuel log feature - it forces me to input unnecessary details such as city, odometer reading, fuel liters, cost. Example 2: the GPS signal is updated only when the engine is on, unlike the Kia Seltos where the GPS signal is always on.
• The horn is quite basic and meek. Has anyone done or is planning to do a horn upgrade?

Here's what BHPian haridsv had to say about the matter:

This happened to me a few times and I was able to get it to reconnect by just going into BT settings for the device-specific to the phone on the Infotainment system and toggling Android Auto.

Here's what BHPian akki4 had to say about the matter:

I got those 2 horns removed and replaced them with Hella trumpet horns. Sounds like Kia horns now. Got this done by the Honda accessory guy.

Here's what BHPian akannath had to say about the matter:

A 360-degree camera is being offered as an accessory by my Honda dealer and was listed in their accessory list paperwork. Please check with yours. Dont know if it's an official accessory though. I am planning to inspect it when the car gets delivered and then make a decision.

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Interior plastic feels less premium than other brands.

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November 2022 – I completed 38 years of existence on Nov 10th, 2022 and decided to finally join a driving school to learn to drive a car. Well, there is never any age to learn something new, isn’t it?

Anyway, I learnt to drive within 15 days and started practising in my friend’s Hyundai i10 Grand. During the learning phase, I was good with steering controls but struggled with clutch and gear controls. I didn’t own a car at that time but now that I have learnt to drive, I wanted to own one and started my hunt to buy a car.

Being a first-time car driver, I wanted to go for a hatchback as it would be easier for me to get a hold in the city and on the highway as well.

Also, I was thinking of going for a second-hand car in good condition.

My options were:

• Maruti Suzuki Swift
• Maruti Suzuki Alto K10
• Hyundai i10 Grand
• Tata Tiago
• Toyota Etios Liva
• Ford Figo
• Ford Ecosport (Although not a hatchback)
• Honda Brio
• Nissan Micra

However, I wanted a car that was good to drive and also scored high on safety. I struck Maruti and Hyundai from the list owing to their low safety ratings. That left me with Tata, Toyota and Ford which was good in terms of performance and safety.

I started scouring for 2nd hand cars in marketplaces such as Spinny, Cars24, Mahindra First Choice etc. There were a lot of options to choose from with varying price points as well. However, I decided to buy a car that wasn’t too old i.e. between 2018-2022. In the meanwhile, I also took suggestions from friends and family who had different points of view. Most of them said it is better to go for a first-hand one while the rest mentioned that second-hand cars were better considering that I am a fairly new driver.

After days of searching and thinking, I eventually decided to go for a new one. The problem was that Ford had left India and Toyota wasn’t selling Etios Liva anymore. Honda Brio and Nissan Micra were too small for me (I am 6 feet 1) and were no longer in production.

That left me with Tata Tiago.

Now the question arose of whether to go for a manual or an automatic. I preferred an automatic considering my initial struggles with clutch and gear and also it is easier to drive in city traffic.

Therefore, I did intense research, reading up on AMT technology and watching user reviews on YouTube. The most common complaint on Tata Tiago AMT was engine lag when the car auto-shifted from the 1st gear to the 2nd. Also, there were a lot of user complaints about the AMT gearbox giving trouble after 2-3 years of usage with some users having to replace the gearbox unit entirely which cost them almost a lac.

After seeing all this, I changed my mind and decided to go for a Tata Tiago manual transmission. Apart from giving good mileage as compared to an AMT, manual transmission is fun to drive except in city traffic. I had fixed a budget of Rs. 8 lacs and didn’t want to go beyond that. Anything lesser than that was a bonus.

I visited Key Motorss, Kanakapura Road on Dec 1st week, which was near my house along with my brother and wife. We checked out the car and took a test drive. The engine response and suspension felt good and the car was comfortable too. It is a peppy car to drive and sneaks through the traffic when compared to bigger cars/SUVs.

On Dec 19th, 2022, I visited the showroom and booked a red colour, Tata Tiago XT Rhythm. The XT Rhythm variant has all the basic features along with a rear camera, a 17 cm Harman infotainment touchscreen system, 4 speakers and 4 tweeters. I got a discount of Rs. 10000 along with a corporate discount of Rs. 2500. I also took the accessories pack worth Rs. 11,000 that included the seat covers, floor mats, bumper protector, mud flaps, perfume, and a waste bin.

I made a point of asking for updates from the dealership once or twice a week as I had read complaints about Tata dealership’s inefficiencies and didn’t want to take any chances. Considering my ‘enthusiasm’ they also made a point of updating me every time a milestone was achieved, although it was me calling them every time for every single doubt.

Eventually, my vehicle arrived and I went for a PDA at their yard on Mysore Road. I was thrilled to see my car for the first time and did a thorough PDA. I had gone through the PDI checklist article on TeamBHP and knew what and how to exactly check. The car was fine and we didn’t come across any issues.

PDI at the Yard

On Feb 1st, 2023, I received my car at their dealership with Subhash (SA) assisting me throughout the process from order to delivery.

At Key Motorss, Kanakapura Road

Me and my brother with Bajrangi

Receiving the keys from Subhash

After the documentation and cake-cutting ceremony, I took the car home. Being a newbie, I was nervous about driving it, so asked my brother who had accompanied me to drive it home. My parents were thrilled to see it and we took photos alongside the car.

My happy parents with my nephew who is wondering what's happening

In the evening, I drove it for the first time when I had to go to pick up my wife. My brother accompanied me just to see if I was driving correctly. I was nervous initially but then mustered courage as I kept driving. After picking her up, we went to a temple nearby to perform the car’s puja and returned home. I christened it ‘Bajrangi’ after Lord Hanuman.

With my wife at the temple

1 year of driving Tata Tiago:

As of 1st Feb 2024 i.e. exactly a year after taking delivery of the car, it had clocked almost 6900 km, with 80% of it being driven within the city. Outstation trips have mostly been to Mysore and Coorg. I want to take it to farther places such as Goa, Mangalore, Pondi etc.

During the running-in period, I used to experience a slight lag in its pickup and when shifting from 1st to 2nd gear. With time, the lag decreased and was almost nonexistent after the 3rd service.

Pros:

• Peppy and powerful 1200 cc, 3-cylinder petrol engine
• Smooth clutch as compared to Nexon (A blessing for the left leg)
• Gear shifting is smooth and the travel is less
• Small yet spacious for a tall man like me
• Steering is the lightest in its segment
• Stable and no body rolls on highways
• Sticks to the ground at high speeds
• Handling is excellent
• Mileage is good both in the city and highway. Maximum mileage observed on highways = 26 km/ltr. Maximum mileage observed in the city = 14 km/ltr. Latest tank-to-tank mileage = 15.29 km/ltr(Mostly been driven in the city. Increases when taken on the highways)
• The car has become smoother after 3rd service

Cons:

• Interior plastic feels less premium than other brands
• Body panel gaps are quite big compared to other brands
• Some interior fittings feel clumsy and not properly fitted in the factory

Tata Service Feedback:

Have undertaken 3 free services with them at TASS (Key Motorss, Konanakunte) and the experience was good. Their service personnel are responsive and listen to your issues before recommending satisfactory solutions. Better to book your service slots well in advance and be there at 8:30 am. The only downside is their service centres are small, and parking is inadequate. They need to take larger spaces and build bigger body shops and parking spaces.

Cost of:

• 1st service – Rs. 177
• 2nd service – Rs. 177
• 3rd service – Rs. 4406 (for consumables that included oil change)

Accidents/Mishaps:

This was more of an own damage rather than an externally inflicted accident. On my way to Coorg, I had stopped at Mysore for lunch and had parked the car in the basement. To come back to the main road, there was a steep climb that I was unable to manoeuvre and ended up bashing the rear of the car into a pole behind me.

The rear door and bumper suffered damage and had to be replaced. Lots of lessons were learnt from that incident.

The repair process at TASS was smooth and the insurance covered all of it, although I lost the no-claim bonus when I renewed the insurance in Jan 2024. It took a total of 3 weeks for the car to come back from the repairs, and I had to constantly follow up with them to speed up the work and give me the car on time.

Conclusion:

Overall, I am very happy with my Tata Tiago. It is a budget-friendly, sturdy and performance-oriented vehicle for the city and the highway. It’s just been a year of owning and driving it and I intend to keep it for many years to come. Even if I go for a bigger vehicle, I will continue to keep it.

Cheers to everyone!

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This space is for EV owners to share their real-world range experiences, helping potential EV buyers make informed decisions.

BHPian linuxworld recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

I noticed there's a fuel efficiency thread for ICE, but let's have a dedicated EV range thread! This space is for EV owners to share their real-world range experiences, helping potential EV buyers make informed decisions.

Format:

• Car and Model:
• Year of Manufacture:
• Kilometers Driven:
• ARAI / Manufacturer Claimed Range:
• Real-World Range:
• City Usage (%):
• Highway Usage (%):
• Home Slow Charging (%):
• Outside Fast Charging (%):
• Battery Capacity:

Feel free to contribute, and let's build a valuable resource for the EV community!

Here's what BHPian Chrome6Boy had to say on the matter:

• Car and Model: MG ZS EV
• Year of Manufacture: 2022
• Kilometers Driven: 32,000 km
• ARAI / Manufacturer Claimed Range: 400 km
• Real-World Range: 330 km
• City Usage (%):50
• Highway Usage (%):50
• Home Slow Charging (%):95%
• Outside Fast Charging (%):5%
• Battery Capacity:50 kWh

I do not drive to extract the max range from the car. On highways I drive on Sports mode with a max speed of 110 kmph, in the city it is normal mode.

I always keep the regen on max as I love the feeling of "engine breaking".

The only times I use a fast charger are on our infrequent road trips. The remaining time it is charged at home. We also have a solar plant at home which making charging the car extremely cheap.

For our usage this car has a perfect range combined with reasonably exciting performance.

Here's what BHPian electric_eel had to say on the matter:

• Car and Model: Nexon EV Max
• Year of Manufacture: 2022 -- Delivered in December
• Kilometers Driven: 23,000
• ARAI / Manufacturer Claimed Range: 453
• Real-World Range: 360 (full load, AC at 25) long trip
• City Usage (%): Difficult to say (see notes)
• Highway Usage (%): Difficult to say
• Home Slow Charging (%): close 100%
• Outside Fast Charging (%): only 4 times so far
• Battery Capacity: 40.5 KWh

I have not given the City/Highway split because it is a bit more subtle. I live in Palakkad which is a very small town. Most of my 23K kms are for office commutes (about 40 Kms) round trips but it is not through the city. About 50% highway and the rest through country road. For most people in Kerala (except perhaps people in Kochi, driving will be through country roads mostly). So I am not an outlier in any way.

I do Palakkad-Thrissur-Palakkad trips often (about 200 Kms round trip + local travel). This is easily done with a single charge. Recently I did a Palakkad-Kozhikode-Palakkad about 280 kms round trip again on a single charge (SoC drop to 100-22%). The longest I have drove on a single charge is Palakkad-Piravom round triple of about 314 km (SoC 100-17%).

My most efficient drive was 99 KWh on an early morning Palakkad-Coimbatore airport early morning drive (140 km round trip) but I am confident in extracting 110 Wh/km with full load and AC any day for long trips (multiple short trips are less efficient).

I was always a defensive driver (ICE or EV) and that greatly helped in getting good range from the beginning. I am most comfortable in cruising around 80 Kmph on highways and mostly stick to that although once in a while I do touch 90-100 but never go beyond 100.

Here's what BHPian V.Narayan had to say on the matter:

• Car and Model: Volvo C40
• Year of Manufacture: 2023
• Kilometers Driven: 1500
• ARAI / Manufacturer Claimed Range: 530 kms at 100%
• Real-World Range: 475kms at 100%
• City Usage (%): 67%
• Highway Usage (%):33%
• Home Slow Charging (%):50%
• Outside Fast Charging (%):50%
• Battery Capacity: don't know

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• Car and Model: Tiago EV LR
• Year of Manufacture: 2023
• Kilometers Driven: 15000
• ARAI / Manufacturer Claimed Range: 315
• Real-World Range: With AC 100-0% - 190km@130whkm - 230km@110whkm
• City Usage (%): 90%
• Highway Usage (%): 10%
• Home Slow Charging (%): 90%
• Outside Fast Charging (%): 10%
• Battery Capacity: 24kw

Here's what BHPian sharathkamath04 had to say on the matter:

• Car and Model: Nexon EV Max
• Year of Manufacture: 2022 -- Delivered in Sept
• Kilometers Driven: 25,000
• ARAI / Manufacturer Claimed Range: 453
• Real-World Range: 300km per charge
• City Usage (%): ~330
• Highway Usage (%): 290km @ 100km/hr speed
• Home Slow Charging (%): close to 80%
• Outside Fast Charging (%): rest 20% on highways or Malls
• Battery Capacity: 40.5 KWh

Charging Infrastructure is improving every month with new chargers set up. Even BPCL chargers are now turning on slowly.

300km range is perfectly to drive 500km in a day, if you plan breakfast and Lunch at hotels with chargers.

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Strangely, this does not happen right after a cold start or until the engine heats up.

BHPian twominds recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

Hello BHPians,

I own a 2021 Tata Tiago XZ+ Petrol, manual with 15k+ KM on ODO. I have been experiencing vibrations during idling mostly concentrated in the front row since last month which were not so noticeable in the last (almost) three years. Though it is a known fact that vibrations and Tata cars are inseparable, it was not so bad but I find it unbearable now.

Front passenger seat is the worst affected and the steering wheel vibrates too. Strangely, this does not happen right after a cold start or until the engine heats up (i.e, at least two or three bars on the temperature gauge). It's understood that the engine revs at a slightly higher RPM on a cold start, but why after the engine reaches its normal operating temperature just beats me!

I decided to bring it up during the next periodic service which was just around the corner. The service advisor suspected spark plugs, but they had to be replaced anyway per TATA's schedule. I knew this and insisted on using NGK Iridium Spark plugs since I have been hearing good feedback from my fellow Tata car owners. He flatly refused saying they are not allowed to use anything other than what TATA supplied ones - BOSCH spark plugs. BTW, I have bought an extended warranty (valid until 2026). So I convinced myself that I will have to live with BOSCH spark plugs and returned.

As expected the TASC did not find any problems and asked me to get it back if I find any problems. I immediately took it for a test drive (though it was dark) and after driving for 10-15 mins it was clear that the problem was not resolved.

Not satisfied with the explanation, I reached out to TATA Customer Care. Next day I received an email and also a call from TATA Motors, they put me through to various people and I clearly expressed that I was not happy. Finally, they put me through to the same service centre and asked me to get my car the next day for a re-check. I clearly told them the Service advisor is not at fault here and I do not wish to blame him. I know him and and have had some good experiences with other problems with my car.

Next day I dropped my car and the regional CRM from TATA dropped in to take a look. Later they called me up and said there was nothing wrong. Meanwhile, when I was in the service centre I just requested the technician attending to another Tiago to let me check it - just start and idle for a few mins. It seemed way better than mine!

I just returned feeling hopeless.

Summary of what has been done so far by the TASC:

• Spark plugs replaced (as per schedule)
• MAP, MAF, Lambda (oxygen) sensors checked, cleaned - no issues found
• No DTCs reported (no value addition)
• Air filter replaced
• Timing belt checked

Importantly almost everyone, TATA motors, TASC seem to be parroting one line: "This is how a three-cylinder engine behaves". I personally am not satisfied because I know my car, I love it - it was definitely not this bad. In the last three years, I have had some really wonderful road trips and now I just feel sad even looking at the car and really want to resolve this!

What else can I do now, help me out!

Here's what BHPian Lemonysnicketz had to say about the matter:

Hey,

I own a Tiago JTP. From my experience it could be one of two things:

• A and C engine mounts. They are most prone to failure especially the C mount which is under the engine and right below the front row. Look for cracks in the rubber of the mount.
• Clutch release bearing. Tata TA65 gearboxes are notorious for cheating through release bearings. Easy way to check is if there is a difference in vibrations when you engage and disengage the clutch in neutral.

Hoping this helps.

- your neighborhood Tata vibration enthusiast

Here's what BHPian vattyboy had to say about the matter:

I experienced something similar in my Jeep Compass. In my case the culprits were-

• Bad Engine C mount.
• Bad Alternator.

Replaced both of them for 1.10 lacs. Jeep parts are Merc, BMW, and Audi like expensive.

Here's what BHPian Shreyans_Jain had to say about the matter:

Most likely culprit is bad engine mounts. One or more may need replacement, you need to have the car inspected at any other dealership or any competent garage.

Here's what BHPian SS-Traveller had to say about the matter:

Suspicion is, one of the ignition coils is failing when hot. Swap out all the ignition coils with new ones (or from another car which has no vibrations), and check again.

Here's what BHPian Jeroen had to say about the matter:

Although a bad coil tends to throw various error codes, I have seen a few cases where it did not.

I don’t know if your engine has a dual flywheel or some harmonic damper. Both can cause these sorts of symptoms when beginning to fail. And it usually shows up when everything warms up, rather than cold.

I would also check very carefully the proper alignment of the exhaust and the exhaust rubbers. As the exhaust warms up it expands and perhaps it just starts touching something.

There could be other possible causes as well. Notably the ignition (pre) timing and or advance.

Is the idle RPM set correctly? Don't go by the rev counter, but check with an external device.

Good luck, let us know what happens.

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Dealerships have started accepting pre-bookings for a token amount of Rs 21,000.

Tata Motors is gearing up to launch India’s first CNG-powered cars with an automatic gearbox. The Tiago and Tigor CNG will soon be offered with an AMT option and dealerships have already started accepting pre-bookings for a token amount of Rs 21,000.

The Tiago iCNG AMT will be available in XTA, XZA+ and XZA NRG trims, while the Tigor iCNG AMT will come in XZA and XZA+ variants.

The Tiago and Tigor iCNG models are powered by a 1.2-litre 3-cylinder engine that produces 72 BHP @ 6,000 rpm and 95 Nm @ 3,500 rpm in CNG mode. Currently, both models are offered with a 5-speed manual gearbox. Customers will soon get the option of a 5-speed AMT as well.

The Tiago and Tigor iCNG feature Tata’s dual-cylinder CNG tank technology. Instead of a single large CNG cylinder that gobbles up boot space, the cars are equipped with two smaller cylinders that fit under the luggage area.

Source: Autocar India

The mechanics started to take apart the piece under the gear lever and the part behind the air conditioner.

BHPian jerrindanny recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

After dreading about AMT Issues in TATA cars, it has occurred to us.

We own a 2019 January purchased TATA Tiago XZA.

We have not encountered any major issues in the last 4.9 years of ownership, except for one-time oil Sensor replacement.

On November 27 Monday, we had some personal errands to run. We had a run for about 30 km and we reached the hospital for a checkup. After 2 hours from the hospital, we started the car, once the car passed the gate, the AMT fault warning light came in and we parked the car towards the roadside. We waited for 10 minutes with the engine off and started the car again. The warning light still popped up and the Neutral sign (N) was blinking. On moving the gear lever to A(drive), the car was not engaging to drive. The same was was for Reverse and for manual mode as well.

We contacted our local TATA ASC (Focuz Kozhencherry) and asked for our sales advisor. We advised it may be due to a sensor issue and arranged a pick-up. We insisted on a flatbed truck. Meanwhile, I sent my family back to the house and waited near the car. After about 1.5 Hours, the crane service truck reached and we transported the car to the service center.

A job card was opened and since it was almost past 5 pm they said they would start the next day. The mechanics started to take apart the piece under the gear lever and the part behind the air conditioner. They were checking for any loose wires that must have resulted in the error.

The next day around noon the service advisor called us and informed us that on checking the error codes, there were two errors one with TCU and the other with the gear lever. They took apart the gearbox and informed us they would confirm the next day.

Today they informed us that the fault is with the TCU part and needs to be replaced. The total cost of the TCU part is Rs 28096 excluding the labour charges. It has to be ordered and the part should arrive from Pune.

The car has been in the Service center for a week now.

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The transmission causes no problems while the engine / car is running.

BHPian zeal_motorist recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

I drive a Tiago XTA (AMT) 2017, I've been facing an issue with the transmission and somehow it worked fine during summers in NCR. But in the last winter and now again in November, this has been a constant problem. You might already know that AMTs can only be turned on with Neutral gear and brakes applied (most of the cars).

Issue

Even if I leave my car on Neutral before turning it off, the gear sometimes shifts to manual-neutral or even manual-first from Auto-Neutral as I turn the key to the engine off and the car makes a warning sound. The next time I try to switch it on, sometimes it's changed back to Neutral (Auto/Manual - in which case the car can be switched on) other times it just gets stuck in First gear and refuses to switch on.

• The transmission causes no problems while the engine/car is running.
• The gear gets reset to Neutral upon disconnecting and connecting the battery, but even that didn't work once.

Resolution Offered

I took my car to the authorized service center for this issue and they charged us for changing the clutch plate even though the older one was in perfect condition (recently replaced), and refused to pay back the money. No resolution even though they had kept the car for about 10-12 days and tested it, and suggested a complete AMT unit change which would cost more than 80k INR. No help on this from Tata online support as well.

I don't know why the gear type changes to manual on its own and what could be the root cause for this, any help is appreciated.

Here's what BHPian Jeroen had to say about the matter:

I don’t think this would be caused by the clutch or the oil. At least I can’t imagine it would. The clutch has nothing to do with this and problems with too low oil or degraded oil tend to cause problems when driving and or shifting, not this.

There must be something wrong with the gear and or interlocking mechanism on the gear switch assembly. There might be a little play or something along those lines. I would start checking the proper operation of the neutral switch and proceed from there onwards.

I would take it to a different service centre because these guys haven’t got a clue I think.

Here's what BHPian sagarpadaki had to say about the matter:

My thought is that since the gear shift is hydraulically driven by an actuator in an AMT, the old AMT kit oil may be impeding the operation of the hydraulics thus causing shift issues.

Here's what BHPian ObsessedByFIAT had to say about the matter:

I had complained about inconsistent / jerky gear shifts in my Kwid EasyR. The service centre folks mentioned that they recalibrated the gear shifts through an OBD scan. I don't know how true that was, but I haven't faced the same issue in the past more than 8k kms. Maybe worth a try in your case as well?

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