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Originally Posted by selfdrive Is it possible for someone to remove that Purple device and put it on another car which was being used for a joyride?
Or does the Purple device sprout wings and fly across town? |
Yes this is a possibility to remove the portable device and put it on another car.
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Originally Posted by quickdraw Woo hoo conspiracy theories. They seem to be the rage now-a-days. (Also its verified not varified). I'll try and answer most of the things you've mentioned here as someone who knows whats been happening first-hand. Cool? |
Thank you for correcting the spelling. I guess this would be biased towards Mr.Gondal right.
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Originally Posted by quickdraw How is this relevant? The people came, took the interview and left. No one has control over what they print. They never asked Vishal for all this information. A simple google search will yield you information about Vishal and what he does. Disclaimer, I work for Vishal but we've been friends for long before I started working for him. |
It is relevant as wrong information is given out. If the media made a mistake, then thats their issue, i would state the facts in my post and thats what i have done.
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Originally Posted by quickdraw He was out of station, he saw the update at 3am in the night and he never went to the service station, the car was collected by the driver. He posted online because thats what he does, he is a social media nut (His 13000+ Subscribers on Facebook and 22,000+ followers on Twitter is proof of that). Everybody who knows Vishal knows that he didn't do this for Publicity or to defame Audi or to sell that GPS gadget. |
I am sure since you are a close friend or any member of his family could have been informed to make a complain and varify the fact. The figure of 13000 subscribers on facebook and 22000+ followers on twitter does raise a question in the mind was this a means of feeding them something new to keep them hooked on. Well the GPS company is using this incident to pitch to automobile companies..so i would not rule this possibility out. I am not attacking anyone i have mentioned i have written as per what i have read on his Facebook post and what was in the news paper..if there are holes in what was printed by both of them that raised doubts i have asked. So sorry i did not see anything on your avtar about your involvement with Vishal, now i know.
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Originally Posted by quickdraw Vishal has the GPS log of that 11 km drive (I can post that if you want), he is not challenging that, he is challenging the register. The register is not maintained within 12am - Opening time anyways. Also when the GPS loses the satellites (this is my theory and I speak from experience using other trackers) it just shows a straight line between last known location and current location. Also again, he doesn't have any personal vendetta against AMW I have no idea why you brought that up again? And the part about the 30+ cars?? He is till date waiting for a response on this issue. |
The register as you have also seen has logs after his car was driven too, i dont see how it would be tampered, but unless you have phisically seen if the page was torn and a page gap is there how can this be taken as tampered. The service center would log a car that comes in after it shuts, so if there is not entry past 12am there was no car which entered or left right..atleast thats my understanding. I am not agreeing or denying how the tracker in connection to a missing link works..as i have mentioned i am going by the things he posted on facebook and the press. As far as i know as i type he has a meeting with Audi India.
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Originally Posted by quickdraw2973060 Although I will agree with the fact that you are analyzing whats been happening with a keen eye, your statements do come off as biased. Since you contacted AMW but never got in touch with me. You blame the tracker and Vishal on a number of occasions but never remotely accept the possibility what happened to be the truth. |
I have mentioned before i have analyed with a cool unbiased mind about the incident. I do not have anything against Mr.Gondal or AMW. My cars do go to Amw and so i would be concerned too. I would again like to bring to ur notice..i did not see a tag on your avtar saying you work with mr Gondal and should be the one point destination for any querries regarding the incident. I have posted without going through any of the other posts so as to keep things straight in my head. I still do blame both..Vishal for not having made a complaint and to varify the truth before taking a hurried decision and the tracker with the possibility of being faulty or providing the wrong info after all it is a machine and is an external portable device fitted on the cigrette lighter. I am not a yes man to agree with everything that is written or said..i have my own mind and it asks questions.
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Originally Posted by quickdraw Just to set the record straight, Vishal is a well known VC but does not hold any stake in the GPS tracker company. He called me recently asking about this Team-Bhp post where people are taking pot-shots at his integrity and questioning why he brought this to light. I would like to further clarify there is no ill will between AMW or Audi in general and Vishal. He is just awaiting an explanation on this to his satisfaction. Just like a normal man he is worried and scared about his car. When MINI sent over the car, he called me first thing. I actually drove the Cooper S Countryman and clicked that picture, we put up the picture because its a brilliant marketing exercise by BMW and they need to be applauded for that, and not because of some big conspiracy. Aaaand I am tired of typing now. |
I am not saying he should not have brought it to light..i completly support him on this, what i am saying he was rash and hasty in doing so. The right way would be to varify things and then go to the media. If a person was scared he would make a formal complaint and try to varify things not go to the media and social forums. The police would register his complaint under theft even if it was a joyride that took place.
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Originally Posted by quickdraw Also for the people writing this off as a GPS malfunction, with data in such vivid detail with timestamps, heading, speed etc. doesn't convince you I don't know what will. Unfortunately this is the only data Vishal has, and we've put it up for discussion and its certainly a possibility (I've explained above regarding the errors) but its highly unlikely. |
There is a possibility of the gps unit not being accurate and having flaws in it. Let me give you an example..my friends car gps showed the car moving at 3kmph at night while the car was in a locked garage at home with his SUV parked in front of it.
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Originally Posted by Maverick5490 WOW! This looked fishy right from the beginning, and speedy's comments are just re-enforcing the same.
What nailed it was receiving a call from Techno-Purple asking if we would like to install GPS trackers on BMW's (Me being an ex employee at a BMW dealership). Since I was busy could not take much details, but for sure they would have advertised this incident!
Also it is not possible to tamper with odometer readings at an Authorised dealer using official equipment (Speaking of BMW) and I am sure Audi, Merc folllows the same.
Again BMW/Mini pitching in immediately to Mr. Gondals rescue does make it look like a big PR campaign!! |
I agree with you..prima facia it looks like a PR excercise by Techno purple as they have been approching dealerships using the incident as an example to promote their product. I dont rule out the possibility of Bmw/Mini trying their hand at it.
In a Dealership with official monitored equiptment nothing can be tampered, the Car log would register it.
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Originally Posted by Cesc I don't know why people are saying its a big deal to tamper with digital odos. I have seen such tampering happen on a number of ocassions and on cars of all shapes and sizes - including the European ones. And if you think that it is time consuming and expensive to alter digital odos - think again. Last month in front of my own eyes a car dealer sent over a Merc to reset odo to a person who does these kind of things. The car came back in less than an hour clocked back 40k kms. All for a royal sum of Rs 500.
Honestly I am very much inclined to believe Mr Gondal's version of things until Audi comes out with better proofs (CCTV footage of their workshop gates for instance) than pics of the odo and their in and out register. The second one is really funny |
It is not done at the dealerships with official equiptment..
As far as i am aware, Audi has provided Mr.Gondal with the CCTV video of the gate and of where the car was standing.
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Originally Posted by rajeev k If it is possible it is a possibility. How and where in Vishal's Audi was this tracker stuff mounted. |
The tracker was mounted via the cigrette lighter socket in the car.
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Originally Posted by joslicx Yes its actually possible what you say and most probably is what happened here. But I think to deter security taking customer vehicles on joyrides the dealership must have installed CCTVs. So unless they are also in collusion with security, at least the CCTV footage should give some answers. |
They do have cctv camera's and the footage has been shown to the owner of the vehicle.
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Originally Posted by phamilyman I find this line of reasoning rather repugnant because it seems to come from an attempt to malign the man, than just question facts (agree to the rest about the theory around the type of GPS device etc). Not for a second is there a sliver of logic that trusts any of Vishals's word - wonder why?
Let me ask a different question - which high profile employee of Disney would want to do such a random stunt? I mean, Disney etc would have clear ethical codes - his job can come under a cloud, if he were to be proven to be a fraud?!
Would you do that in his job? I never would. |
If stating the fact and the truth hurts then i cannot help in any way.
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Originally Posted by lurker Usually GPS trackers are hidden underneath the dashboard or concealed elsewhere and discreetly wired to an external antennae. Just went through the technopurple site and it isn't mentioned anywhere that the GPS tracker was exposed and ran off a 12v charger. |
There are two types on is as mentioned in your post that gets hidden underneat the dash board and the other is a 12 volt charger system that runs via the cigrette lighter socket. Mr.Gondal had the latter cigrette lighter on so as tonot hampr warrenty of his vehicle. My friend has the same tracker used by Mr Gondal for his vehicle.