[sandeepmohan]

Exciting times indeed for those waiting for the latest iteration of the Honda Civic. Only two problems; the interiors are low key and no diesel. Forget a Skoda Octavia. I doubt if the interiors can hold a candle to even the Hyundai Elantra.

On the engine, it is the same 1.5l turbo motor used in the Civic RS and NT versions in the international market. I'd give Honda India a thumbs up here cause the Civic still sells with the 1.8l NA motor too. The only downside to the turbo motor is the uninspiring max rev's of just 5500rpm, which is where peak power is achieved. The NA goes up to a slightly better 6500rpm. If the power and torque figures are to be believed, Honda have not detuned this motor either for the Indian market. Torque spread is pretty good. Starts from 1700rpm and goes up to 5500rpm. Co2 emissions are at 140-148 g/km. I do not know if this aligns with our BS6 norms.

The car should come loaded. Honda India better not cut corners here. In International markets, the car gets a 8 or 10 speaker Apple Car Play and Android Auto capable stereo with Sub Woofer. The Sub is a bonus on the RS and NT editions.

[Jeevith]

Originally Posted by TusharK

Thanks to the Team-BHP fan (he prefers to remain anonymous) who sent this information in. Heartfelt gratitude for sharing it with other enthusiasts ....Test production of the upcoming Honda Civic and CR-V has commenced. The company has built 3 units of the Civic for testing purposes

Any news as to whether the Civic is a face-lifted version or the same version as displayed at the Auto Expo?

[GTO]

Finally, a Honda with the quality one expects of a Honda. I fondly remember my Civic's build & quality.

Originally Posted by avira_tk

The Civic will be entering a market that has all but forgotten about the D segment

The D-segment sedan might have been slaughtered by crossovers & SUVs, but that doesn't mean Honda should avoid launching the Civic.

For one, the investment is minimal (Honda India spends nothing on R&D - it's a global model). Second, it gives City owners an upgrade option within the family. Third, good premium cars help brand image. Fourth, priced well, the Civic can do 125 - 175 cars a month which is easy money & profits.

The profits from the Civic can take care of the salaries of the entire top management of Honda India .

[vaasscit]

Originally Posted by GTO

For one, the investment is minimal (Honda India spends nothing on R&D - it's a global model). Second, it gives City owners an upgrade option within the family. Third, good premium cars help brand image.

I presume this would be locally made and not CKD. With that, Honda still needs to invest a lot to source components locally ? (New engine, New body panels etc) provided they want to price it competitively and not go Accord route.

[SmartCat]

From what I understand, both Civic and CR-V will be CKDs. The volumes do not justify sourcing thousands of components from India. However -

1) Certain minor components like battery and tyres could be sourced from India.
2) 1.6 diesel engine will be made in India.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...a-exports.html

[Nikhilb2008]

Why is everyone assuming that the 1.5 Turbo will be launched in India?

Honda's top executive had said a few months back that the 1.5 turbo petrol is too expensive for the Indian market adn if the Civic launches, it will be only with the 1.8 NA.

Did I miss something?

EDIT:

https://www.cartoq.com/soon-to-be-la...ants-revealed/

Yoichiro Ueno, President and CEO of Honda Cars India Ltd, has confirmed this development and has also revealed that the all-new Civic will not get the turbocharged petrol engine for the market here. Here are his statements on the same,

We have received a lot of requests for the Civic which is very successful in other countries. So we are studying this model for India and, so far, the result is very positive. So we are going to implement it here now. It will take a while due to localisation of components and the development of the specification for India. We would like to bring the latest models, so coinciding the launch of the facelift in India with other countries will be good. I think that’s good timing for India. The 1.5 turbo is a very expensive engine for India.

Honda has already begun building the 1.6 liter i-DTEC turbocharged diesel engine in India, at its Rajasthan factory. This engine will be used in the CR-V SUV that will be launched in 2018. The same engine is vert likely to be used in the all-new Civic as well.

The sedan will also get a petrol engine – the 1.8 liter unit that develops around 140 Bhp of peak power. Both manual and automatic gearbox options are likely on the petrol engine. The diesel engine, however, may get only a 6 speed manual transmission. The Civic will be a front wheel drive model.

[Aaron:)]

While I'm happy that Honda is launching the Civic and CR-V, I'm also a little disappointed. The 1.8 and 2.4 i-VTEC engines are the same ones from 10 years ago. No doubt they're great, but would it kill them to bring some new technology to India?

The Civic with the 1.5 Turbo and 170+ BHP can take the fight right up to the Octavia 1.8, but Honda just seems to lack focus. Also, customers in this segment prefer A/Ts. If the CR-V can get a diesel A/T, why can't the Civic which uses the same engine?

[AccordSport]

Originally Posted by Nikhilb2008

Honda's top executive had said a few months back that the 1.5 turbo petrol is too expensive for the Indian market adn if the Civic launches, it will be only with the 1.8 NA.
https://www.cartoq.com/soon-to-be-la...ants-revealed/

Is that me alone thinking that Honda saying 1.5 T is too costly for India as loads of bulls**t.
While we have 1.0 ecoboost for <10 lakh market I dont think 1.5 T would be that costly for a 20 lakh market. Instead they should make that 1.5 L engine in India that can power from Jazz to Accord!

[volkman10]

New Honda CR-V to get lower-powered diesel engine -will get only 120hp instead of 160,

the Honda CR-V diesel for India won’t be the more powerful twin-turbo 160hp version sold in markets like Thailand, but a lower-powered, single-turbo unit that puts out a lower 120hp. Done primarily to keep costs down, Honda, however, claims the lower-powered version has been tuned to deliver real-world performance.

ACI

[humyum]

A Verna will develop more power than a CRV and people will buy it?

Best of luck Honda, if you want to keep the costs low, why don't you launch a Nano version of a CRV in the 5 - 7 lakh range and be done with.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by volkman10

New Honda CR-V to get lower-powered diesel engine -will get only 120hp instead of 160,

Won't the same engine be available in the Civic?

The 120hp tune will still be competitive against the Elantra 1.6 CRDi.

[Behemoth]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Won't the same engine be available in the Civic?

The 120hp tune will still be competitive against the Elantra 1.6 CRDi.

Power in diesel engines is very relative and it is actually the torque curve which matters more. To give an example, my 110 ps Laura with 250Nm torque feels and actually is faster (0-100kmph) than my Compass with 170ps and 350 Nm. Obviously the Laura is around 100kg lighter in kerb weight but it is the torque curve which makes it more effective.
I once had the Ford Fiesta 1st gen which had only 68 bhp and that never felt slow or unresponsive as the low and mid end torque was very good.
Even huge trucks with 12 tonne weight have engines of 130 odd bhp and still manage well!
In my opinion the 120ps will be good enough for the monocoque design and will also deliver good fuel economy of 15-18kmpl which will give it a significant advantage over the full grown SUVs which struggle to deliver even 10kmpl. I for one would prefer a more fuel efficient SUV. Honda hopefully understands this and will try to appeal to this aspect of the Indian customer.

[SmartCat]

Originally Posted by Behemoth

Power in diesel engines is very relative and it is actually the torque curve which matters more. To give an example, my 110 ps Laura with 250Nm torque feels and actually is faster (0-100kmph) than my Compass with 170ps and 350 Nm. Obviously the Laura is around 100kg lighter in kerb weight but it is the torque curve which makes it more effective.

aah yes. The 1st gen Octavia diesel had around 90 BHP but it used to fly all the way to 100 kmph in 11 odd seconds.

[AccordSport]

As if Honda is going to launch CRV for less than 20 lakhs, they are talking about keeping costs down with lesser output.
It is going to be priced more than Tucson and around Tiguan price range.
It will be the least powered crossover for 30+ lakhs.
Except the additional seats it has no USP compared to Tucson. Will be interesting to see how it sells.

[motorworks]

Originally Posted by humyum

A Verna will develop more power than a CRV and people will buy it?

Best of luck Honda, if you want to keep the costs low, why don't you launch a Nano version of a CRV in the 5 - 7 lakh range and be done with.

Slightly OT, Happened to see the Autocar review of the Amaze diesel auto vs Ameo Auto, and in spite of the huge difference in power figures between the 2, the Amaze was faster in all acceleration figures including 0-100 and in gear acceleration. I think the Ameo has something like 105 or 110 bhp vs something like 70 or 80 in the Amaze. Even the torque figures were way higher in the Ameo.

Could be down to the gear box, but the Ameo actually has the DSG, so it does not have any disadvantage there too.

The point being Honda may actually get even that 120bhp engine in the CRV to work well for its size. Surely the buyers of the CRV are most my rear seat passengers and even if driven by self they would not expect any aggressive performance. So Honda might just be able to get it right for that customer base.