Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > The Indian Car Scene


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 19th December 2007, 08:38   #181
Ram
Senior - BHPian
 
Ram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur
Posts: 2,165
Thanked: 144 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by drpullockaran View Post
They were not hatches in the true sense of the word but will you not consider the Skoda a sedan though in actuality it is a hatchback.
The Škoda Octavia is very much a hatch. Not a sedan, @drpullockaran.

Stretching the hatch posterior gives additional room, but still does not make the Octavia a true three-box sedan. The Octavia like the Audi A3 & S3 and SEAT León is based on the Volkswagen Golf two-box hatch.

Pricing it high enough to mislead a third world snob class, does not put it into the same league in comfort, security and legroom, as true independent-suspension, three-box sedans like the Ford Mondeo, Opel Vectra and Toyota Corolla.

And the stratospherically high priced spares and service doesn't exactly make for happy contented customers.
Ram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2007, 08:41   #182
BHPian
 
DocG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Mumbai - Singapore - Cali - Sydney - S.Korea
Posts: 870
Thanked: 6 Times
Smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by hbkamit View Post
hey one of my cousin is in maruti and he told me the price for the petrol would be around 5 50 on road delhi

and the diesel would be around 650
at 5.5L for the petrol, this car will have many, many takers, and well like someone said earlier a long waiting list!!! Good value at the least, and most buyers in India look at VFM and not things like looks or performance
DocG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2007, 08:54   #183
BHPian
 
RufRoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 259
Thanked: 9 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mjothi View Post
was enquiring with Bimal about the Esteem LXi. The sales person said that this model would be discontinued in a month or 2 and the SWIFT SPALSH is scheduled to be released on Feb 2008 in similar price tag of Esteem.
But I thought the Splash was Wagon R's replacement, I don't think it can be priced above the Swift. Again, when you refer to the Esteem's price tag, are you talking abt the discounted price or the actual price?
RufRoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2007, 09:26   #184
Senior - BHPian
 
mjothi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 3,252
Thanked: 216 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RufRoc View Post
But I thought the Splash was Wagon R's replacement, I don't think it can be priced above the Swift. Again, when you refer to the Esteem's price tag, are you talking abt the discounted price or the actual price?
All he said is, esteem will be stopped and Splash will be released in that price. I assume its before discount. I doubt if they will replace the WaganR, since it sells in real good number...

I may visit the showroom this week. Will get more details on this if possible.
mjothi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2007, 13:41   #185
Distinguished - BHPian
 
CrAzY dRiVeR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Bangalore / TVM
Posts: 8,975
Thanked: 16,772 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mjothi View Post
All he said is, esteem will be stopped and Splash will be released in that price. I assume its before discount. I doubt if they will replace the WaganR, since it sells in real good number...
Splash?

Isn't it the Swift sedan thats going to come in? Splash was for later!

And last i heard, Swift sedan was to be called Swift D'Zire. May be, the sales guy got confused with the names!
CrAzY dRiVeR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2007, 13:48   #186
Team-BHP Support
 
tsk1979's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: New Delhi
Posts: 22,955
Thanked: 15,648 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ram View Post
The Škoda Octavia is very much a hatch. Not a sedan, @drpullockaran.
the correct term for this is "Notchback"
tsk1979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2007, 13:48   #187
Senior - BHPian
 
mjothi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 3,252
Thanked: 216 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR View Post
Splash?

Isn't it the Swift sedan thats going to come in? Splash was for later!

And last i heard, Swift sedan was to be called Swift D'Zire. May be, the sales guy got confused with the names!
not sure of swift sedan. But Splash is around Feb 2008.
mjothi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2007, 13:53   #188
Distinguished - BHPian
 
CrAzY dRiVeR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Bangalore / TVM
Posts: 8,975
Thanked: 16,772 Times
Default M series?

Guys,

Is this sedan going to have the same old esteem engine as in the Swift, or the new M series engine as Maruti had declared?

Am talking only of the petrols!
(Posting again as no one noticed)
CrAzY dRiVeR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2007, 14:04   #189
Senior - BHPian
 
iTNerd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Imphal/Noida
Posts: 1,069
Thanked: 500 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR View Post
Guys,

Is this sedan going to have the same old esteem engine as in the Swift, or the new M series engine as Maruti had declared?

Am talking only of the petrols!
(Posting again as no one noticed)
yes, its 100% confirmed. M series 1.3 litre!
iTNerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2007, 18:11   #190
Distinguished - BHPian
 
CrAzY dRiVeR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Bangalore / TVM
Posts: 8,975
Thanked: 16,772 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by iTNerd View Post
yes, its 100% confirmed. M series 1.3 litre!


Finally! What about the Swift hatch then? Change of engine, or will it continue to have the same engine?
CrAzY dRiVeR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2007, 18:29   #191
Senior - BHPian
 
Ricky_63's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Gurgaon
Posts: 3,847
Thanked: 377 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tsk1979 View Post
the correct term for this is "Notchback"

Was going to say the same thing The Octavia & the Accent VIVA are "Notchbacks" - have heard a lot of people call them "hatchbacks"

Cheers

Last edited by Ricky_63 : 19th December 2007 at 18:30.
Ricky_63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2007, 21:11   #192
Ram
Senior - BHPian
 
Ram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur
Posts: 2,165
Thanked: 144 Times
Default Is it a hatchback or a notchback?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricky_63 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by tsk1979 View Post
the correct term for this is "Notchback"

Was going to say the same thing The Octavia & the Accent VIVA are "Notchbacks" - have heard a lot of people call them "hatchbacks"

Cheers
No sir, the Octavia & the Accent VIVA are "Hatchbacks"!

A hatchback has a big door (albeit one with a notch in it), which includes the backlight glass (the rear windshield).

It is typically hinged at the top edge of the backlight. Although like a Lancia Scorpion it can be hinged on the side instead.

Having a notch or bend in the hatch does not make it a notchback. A true notchback has a three-box construction, fixed unmoveable backlight (the rear windshield). And a proper trunk lid, typically hinged near the bottom edge of the backlight.

The Skoda Octavia and Hyundai Accent Viva have two-box construction!

Quote:
Originally Posted by ram View Post
...drove to Seattle and signed the papers buying this Rangoon Red 1979 Mustang hatchback with red leather interior.

My darling Mustang "Washington HTW 430" had Ford's 2,300 cc “Lima” four overhead camshaft turbo-supercharged engine. The engine put out 143 bhp and did 0-60 mph in 9.1 sec.






...
And for comparision...
Here is a 1979 Ford Mustang "notchback" version!



You can read more about hatchback and notchback here.
Howstuffworks "The 1979 Ford Mustang: Materials and Features"

If you find the term hatchback repugnant for the overpriced Octavia, the stricter official term is Aeroback

Would be happy to answer any questions.

Ram
Ram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2007, 21:17   #193
Distinguished - BHPian
 
CrAzY dRiVeR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Bangalore / TVM
Posts: 8,975
Thanked: 16,772 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ram View Post
A true notchback has a three-box construction, fixed unmoveable backlight (the rear windshield). And a proper trunk lid, typically hinged near the bottom edge of the backlight.
That description sounds true for sedan too. Could you explain the difference between sedan and notchback too?

Sorry for the trouble.
CrAzY dRiVeR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st December 2007, 19:32   #194
Ram
Senior - BHPian
 
Ram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur
Posts: 2,165
Thanked: 144 Times
Default Sedans and Notchbacks and other forms

Quote:
Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR View Post
That description sounds true for sedan too. Could you explain the difference between sedan and notchback too?
You are absolutely right, CrAzY dRiVeR.

Strictly, a sedan is a car with a front row of seats and a rear row of seats, such that the rear row has enough space for at least two adult human beings. The engine can be in front or in the rear.
The Americans call this configuration a sedan, and the British, a saloon.

That being said, sedans can be 4-door or 2-door.
A notchback sedan is a three-box sedan.

Let me draw some pictures to explain. Allow me to use my favorite: Baleno.



with a B-pillar or without a B-pillar (hardtop),



and they can be notchback, fastback (aka aeroback) or hatchback.
A hatchback (a.k.a. liftback) sedan does not have a trunk lid. Instead the entire back of the car lifts up (using a liftgate or hatch). Example Hyundai Accent Viva and Skoda Octavia.



A fastback sedan is a two-box sedan with continuous slope from the roof to the base of the decklid, but no hatch.

Am open for questions.
Ram
Ram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st December 2007, 21:09   #195
Senior - BHPian
 
1100D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calcutta
Posts: 4,179
Thanked: 2,360 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ram View Post

A fastback sedan is a two-box sedan with continuous slope from the roof to the base of the decklid, but no hatch.

Am open for questions.
Ram
Fast back definition is right (continuous slope from the roof to the base of the decklid), but may or maynot also include a hatchdoor. The Rover SD1 for example.
1100D is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Team-BHP SCOOP: Maruti Ciaz / YL1. Scoop Pics on Page 99 .anshuman The Indian Car Scene 1501 6th October 2014 13:02
Scoop! VW Polo TSI spotted testing in India *UPDATE* Fresh Scoop pics on Pg.15 sarthakgupta The Indian Car Scene 441 25th April 2013 12:26
SCOOP: Exclusive India drive: Hyundai I10 CRDi LHD prototype sidindica Test-Drives & Initial Ownership Reports 26 22nd December 2009 13:20


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 14:35.

Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks