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Old 7th August 2006, 13:24   #31
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Woooow a TCed Baleno, this is real cool man. It will be cheaper then a RS and surely will beat a RS to 100 - 150 and anything above thanx to the low weight and high power to weight ratio.
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Old 7th August 2006, 13:44   #32
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First time i'm seeing a TCed Baleno.... looks neat... great work dude.... How much did the entire setting up of the Turbo Cost you ???
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Old 7th August 2006, 15:06   #33
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heres the info on the wide band O2 kit

http://www.widebandcommander.com/

If I were you, I would get this kit anfd the EGT as soon as possible. I have seen blown turbo engines and i wouldnt want you to go through the same pain. Keep in mind that wthout the wide band kit you will not be able to tune properly even if you get the greedy or any other piggy back setup. I have in my previous post also indicated the link of what an EGT looks like and where it is available.

I saw a toyota Corolla 2 weeks back which was turbo charged and because he did not have any gauges to warn him, he ended up blowing the engine big time. The entire block had cracked and the valves were popping out of the head. The engine is a write off.

It is very easy to turbo charge an engine - i.e. fitting all the hardware. the most difficult part is the tuning. Well tuned engine = happy days ahead. Badly tuned engine = bankruptsy.

Hope things get sorted out soon.

PS. - The subaru njectors will be too big. If i am not mistaken they are about 350cc or more. What you need to get for your engine should be in the range of 250 to 270 cc. Try R.C. engineering, they make some of the best customised injectors in the world. I got my injectors from them when I was running a turbo setup in my car. Also remember that it is safest to calculate injector duty cycle at 80 to 85%.

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Old 7th August 2006, 16:13   #34
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heres the info on the wide band O2 kit
http://www.widebandcommander.com/
If I were you, I would get this kit anfd the EGT as soon as possible. I have seen blown turbo engines and i wouldnt want you to go through the same pain. Keep in mind that wthout the wide band kit you will not be able to tune properly even if you get the greedy or any other piggy back setup. I have in my previous post also indicated the link of what an EGT looks like and where it is available.
I doubt if he can tune it himself.


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I saw a toyota Corolla 2 weeks back which was turbo charged and because he did not have any gauges to warn him, he ended up blowing the engine big time. The entire block had cracked and the valves were popping out of the head. The engine is a write off.
Well he couldnt tune it too..

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It is very easy to turbo charge an engine - i.e. fitting all the hardware. the most difficult part is the tuning. Well tuned engine = happy days ahead. Badly tuned engine = bankruptsy.
Easier said than done...

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PS. - The subaru njectors will be too big. If i am not mistaken they are about 350cc or more. What you need to get for your engine should be in the range of 250 to 270 cc. Try R.C. engineering, they make some of the best customised injectors in the world. I got my injectors from them when I was running a turbo setup in my car. Also remember that it is safest to calculate injector duty cycle at 80 to 85%.
I doubt if he can get the calculations again... hence my contention is that do not go to someone who has not done a proper turbo setup earlier...

Sideways: ppl will try and get the turbo's in place it is the tuner who can get the tuning right not everyone is talented enough to use the meters straight. Also the meters usually only have a stoich reading and people tend to set the turbo's for that and that never works... hence I say again leave it to a god tuner who can do it for you.

PS: the injector sizes are ok and not too large to cause any probs, had the number been above 450 then it would have been a overkill.
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Old 7th August 2006, 16:57   #35
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@ Psycho - Even the best tuner needs the right equipment to tune an engine. Due to the lack of rolling dynos or bench dynos even a tuner will have to use the gauges in order to get mixtures etc. etc. right. And therefore the investment is justifiable.

Lets not assume what Neo is capable of, with respect to his skills of tuning an engine. i don't know him personally and only adviced him to invest in these gauges so that he can keep a check on what is happening to his engine. Agreed that he might not be able to tune, but the gauges will atleast act as an indicator, and if he is sensible enough, he will back off, thereby saving the engine.

Wide band will not indicate stoich mixture only. his tuner (if he is any good and unselfish) will have to sit and teach him a few basics of AFR and teach him how to use, rather read the gauge. Unlike narrow band, the wide band pretty much accurately indictes what mixture you are running. An EGT is more straight forward and can be read by a novice.

With regards to injectors, I have tried and tested various volumes and found 250 to 270 to be suitable for the 1.5 litre lancer engine and therefore my suggestion. I know it will vary from engine to engine, but since the baleno is only 100cc more IMO the above injectors should be more than sufficient. I am ofcourse assuming that he will run to a max boost of 8 to 10 PSI and no more on stock internals.

With regards to the Corolla - Don't want to take names but the tuner is very experienced and is from down south. You are free to assume and come to your own conclusions.

With respect to turbo charging - I am in complete agreement with you buddy and dont know what you are getting so peeved about. Like I said putting in the hardware is the easy part - it's the tuning which is a pain in the wrong place. And I completely agree that one should leave it to a good tuner (of which there is a severe lack of and I mean no offence to anyone) but one should take the necessary precautions. Never trust your Doctor, Lawyer, accountant and TUNER.
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With respect to turbo charging - I am in complete agreement with you buddy and dont know what you are getting so peeved about. Like I said putting in the hardware is the easy part - it's the tuning which is a pain in the wrong place. And I completely agree that one should leave it to a good tuner (of which there is a severe lack of and I mean no offence to anyone) but one should take the necessary precautions. Never trust your Doctor, Lawyer, accountant and TUNER.
I never got peeved on anything just that when people decide to get something done they just go out and expect everything will be fine, just imagine if you picked up a phone at random and then expected all the features to be there and then discovering that it only does 50% of what you normally would expect it to do.

I do not blame the tuners only, I do also blame the people who go ahead and do it accepting that it is R&D or the tuner knows well... and then crib that it does not work.

PS: the tools are of great importance yes and so are the skills to use them correctly and hats off to the people who have done it right (facts being facts none of them got it right in the fiirst place either )
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Old 7th August 2006, 19:33   #37
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Guys,I think we have hijacked this thread enough and might incur the wrath of the mods. So lets get back to the topic shall we ? Maybe we can start a different thread where we can do a comparison between engine swaps vs turbo charging. What say ?
Yes, we are watching... I suggest you start the new thread, it would be very interesting discussion. But I don't think moving posts is necessary.
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Awesome ride man .
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dude seen in news that entire surat city is severely flooded hope u & your ride is safe do let us know about it.

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Old 10th August 2006, 18:10   #40
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Nice ride bro!
Would like to hear how it sounds!
Enjoy the ride.

BTW, Mclaren has got a competition for his Baleno!
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