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18th December 2015, 14:22 | #331 | |
Team-BHP Support | Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet Quote:
Now it is in TOI too: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/t...w/50219009.cms | |
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23rd December 2015, 14:35 | #332 | |
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You can read more here. http://trak.in/tags/business/2015/12...g-free-basics/ | |
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30th December 2015, 11:54 | #333 | |
Distinguished - BHPian | Post in [ The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet] thread From a whatsapp forward. Long read, but should be shared, especially for people who love agreeing with facebook propaganda : Quote:
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30th December 2015, 12:22 | #334 |
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| Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet IMO it's like Television / Newspapers. We don't pay for the content, we just pay for the content to reach us. Similarly it'll be for internet, infact better, people get to access the data they desire. Whereas in TV/Newspapers we're forced to consume only the content they want to show. See, our nationalism hasn't been able to connect the rural poor with the world, then why do we deprive them of the the same when some business is finds it viable to provide them access. If we value their free access, we should either pay for it indirectly (thru govt), or allow them to access it the way they choose. While we can pay our own internet bills & stay independent & safe with our info. Are we supporting net neutrality, has it become some form of organised deprivation that we won't allow the poor to access internet ? |
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30th December 2015, 12:26 | #335 |
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30th December 2015, 12:30 | #336 |
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Its not about charity. If a business finds value in some poor (/willing) persons data, who are we to deprive that poor (/willing) person of being able to encash that value? |
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30th December 2015, 12:38 | #337 |
Senior - BHPian | Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet Guys pls help with me some basics here - sorry for the pun 1) Isn't FB partnering with the telecom operators and offering this ? So there is a commercial contract between the two and they offer these services to WILLING users who are not bound by any contract to stay in this plan. They can always opt for any other plan if they want to use other websites - correct ? 2) What is the Govt's role here ? Are they "selling" off any spectrum directly for this program ? Isn't the spectrum already paid for by the respective operator. So what exactly is the concern around using " public " resources for private gain ? And while we are at that - I don't even want to get started on how in our country, most of what is public is anyways in private hands - whether it is prime property in cities or reserved forests - most of it has been illegally acquired anyways. 3) If this is just another option given to a customer in India, why not give them the option to choose instead of a few people deciding whether that choice should exist or not ? 4) If data of users is a concern, isn't most of our data already in the internet and subject to whatever "use or misuse" that it can be subjected to ? How does this program add to that ? I am not a FB supporter ( in fact don't even have active profile ) but am not sure why a lot of time and energy is wasted on this rather than focusing on the real "basics" like food, water, roads, education etc which are already getting usurped by private hands. |
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30th December 2015, 12:40 | #338 | |
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So why the facade? Term it a business model, say how it's a profit move. Don't be subversive. Psst: because that irons out the grey areas ,in which case other nations and governments have rejected. Is it purely from some "gains" POV that this is still being "discussed" with the current regime, where the rest of the developing world would have shown them the door? | |
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30th December 2015, 12:48 | #339 | |
Team-BHP Support | Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet Quote:
Sorry, it is not. Internet is more like highways, which everybody need to use in future, or even now. FB is offering a special highway for free which only goes to FB approved destinations. They are looking to capture millions of poor people with mobile phones and keep them captive in their special free highway. FB will become the middleman between these poor people and the rest of the world. Instead, the government can offer free data pack directly to the poor, which allows them to go anywhere. Why do we need FB at all? The spectrum belongs to every Indian citizen, we can't afford to give it away to FB to fill their coffers. | |
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30th December 2015, 12:52 | #340 | |
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Initially it may seem like benevolence. But rest assured it is not. No one does anything(even for the poor) without a long term vested interest. When Microsoft have IE free with Windows it was to put netscape out of business. Please please see through this trickery. As Narayan has pointed out food water etc are real basic needs, not internet. | |
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30th December 2015, 13:13 | #341 | |
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1) Free Basics aka Internet.org is not free; it comes with a lot of 'Conditions Apply'. 2) It is not access to internet as Facebook puts it. It is access to certain websites in the internet which the internet.org chooses to provide. "Restricted". 3) Should not be compared to censorship by the government etc. Censorship of certain sites is based on the law of the state. And some questions: 1) Internet and telephone services is quite expensive in Facebook's home - USA. Are they offering this in the USA? 2) Is this against the existing laws in India regarding internet access via mobile service providers? - I would assume so, hence TRAI put up the consultation paper. 3) Even if we consider it as a goodwill (with the obvious business benefits to FB ignored for a while), will it lead/mislead the unsuspicious masses to believe that this is internet, and this is all you need?? As of now, I tend to vote against it. Just my opinion. | |
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We've been using mobile internet since a decade already, rural/poor India hasn't. Imagine how secluded we're allowing them to be (thru "market forces"). Quote:
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If you've never seen TV in your life & one day I start showing you ads, you'll be atleast happy to have seen something. Having seen those adverts / that narrative, its upto you to decide how you want to act on it. I truly admire an idealistic approach in an ideal world sumurai, but this one isn't & I pity the rights of ones willing to access free internet also. Quote:
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Thats why I say this is like newspapers. Its a specific kind of content tailored to target the readers & follows a narrative built by companies since the paper is sponsored by adverts. Its upto us to decide how we want to act on having seen those adverts / that narrative. For real news we've to pay Rs.25/paper, but since we 'poor' Indians will only pay Rs.5/-, companies like ToI have turned into massively-large equity funds with significant media holdings, and openly say on record that they're not for delivering news based on journalistic ideals, but for delivering adverts. They're the most widely circulated paper in the world. Which means people understand & subscribe to ToI's model (which should be blasphemous in an ideal world). Content may be dodgy (Like how there was a recent news about a Telecom company being congratulated by Indian "celebrities" with tweets that read exactly the same. Link.) but its atleast there! But we're OK with that, yet somehow not OK with Free Basics. Thus I feel somewhere by mistake we're being misled to follow double standards. Last edited by WorkingGuru : 30th December 2015 at 15:13. | ||||||||
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30th December 2015, 14:52 | #343 |
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| Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet Now saw a similar ad in the news paper as well. It had many of the items as posted in Mayankk's post. If the customer does not pay to access, and if its open to all carriers, and if facebook does not pay the carriers, then who pays for the connectivity and data, since there is not free lunch, especially from a corporate?!! Know all the mobile companies they will not let anything go uncharged. Would that mean, these companies would slowly increase the tariffs for other subscribers to compensate for this ? |
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30th December 2015, 15:18 | #344 |
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| Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet This is billion buck game. And I am amazed to see, how on earth, so many of my well educated friends, go on and the sign the petition. The answer is in the way its packaged to invoke sympathy for the poor and needy. To answer your question on who will pay raghu, it's going to be us and those websites that we need to access, out of the boundaries of brotherhood. And off course all transactions would fetch some amount of royalty. And once this demarcation happens then tariffs can and will be increased at the whims and fancy of the ISP's |
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30th December 2015, 15:50 | #345 | |
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| Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet I am outright against this...deep inside because I find Facebook to be so useless or at least being used in a useless way by a lot of people I know. Having said that, just from the point of view of debating this topic - how is this different from say a telecom operator providing free access to facebook on its own accord? For e.g if I am Airtel and I offer a plan that gives free access to Facebook in order to attract more users, isn't that similar to what is being debated? Can anyone stop Airtel(just as an example) from doing that? The other point is, free basics maybe wrong, but if its not forcing anyone to adopt it and just giving one more choice, it becomes difficult to argue against it. What I want to say is, it is wrong from a value judgement point of view and ofcourse Facebook is not doing this to connect India, but surely its a mighty good business plan and one which is only giving more choice and not forcing anyone to do something. Quote:
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