Buying Adventure sport over Swift VDi

gemithomas · 23rd February 2007, 09:32

Planning to buy Formula Red Adventure Sport 1.6

at 5.31 L OTR after hefty discounts for 2006 model. Nearly 85K offer overall. I test drove the Swift Vdi(Diesel) also which comes at 5.33 OTR. Except for its extraordinary mileage and handling capacilities, I dod not like the following
1. Seating Position (Both in front where you feel like a frog and the rear where you feel you are really sitting on a bench)
2.Driving position without an option to even adjust the steering position.
3. The suspension felt very hard spoiling the ride comfort especially when you sit in the back seat (Probably becaouse i have been spoilt by my 6 yr olf Fiat UNO suspension.)
4. Maruti has just decide that people buying diesel do not need alloys, height adjustable seats and all those small things that feels good. (Common man after paying 5.3L they think you shd buy a digital clock as an accessory!!! leave alone the rear parcel shelf and side/bumper rubber strips and a whole lot of things)
5. THis might be sort of personal choice but the steering wheel and for that case the whole interiors looked so cheap that you would always want to get out of the car as soon as possible. Maybe they thought you should do that and thereby save money!!!!

I had earlier thought of the safari but could not handle the vehicle with only 1500 rpm range to play with. So decided not to go for that.

THe adventure a fully loaded vehicle (except music system and immobiliser). Ask for anything and you have it on the adventure. Little worried about the availability of spare parts since i dont think this vehicle will sell much in the indian market. But did not have a choice other that the Swift (D) but there too i felt they were making us look like fools by charging so mucha nd not giving us much. Look at the interiors of the european swift. That will tell you how much you should have been getting.

typeOnegative · 23rd February 2007, 10:57

Your choice gemi. However, do take a closer look. All things being the same, the Adventure scores over the Swift VDi anyday as a machine. However, your being based in Trivandrum may cause some problems. Would suggest you wait and take a long look before committing to Fiat. If you were in Mumbai / Pune I would not have asked you to be so circumspect. At the prices you are quoting there is no competition - only if you are ready to deal with one of the most wretched car manufacturer in India.

himanshugoswami · 23rd February 2007, 11:02

Apples and oranges my friend!

The adventure is a brilliant car- no doubt- in fact plonk in a 1.9 JTD under that hood, and it would be THE ideal car for India!

Alas, same cannot be said for sales support. the parts are unavailable most of the times, the Tata guys still dont understand this brilliant car and ownership experience can be very "interesting". So if you have the patience of a saint, go for this beauty. else play safe and buy a swift.

etchemkay · 23rd February 2007, 11:22

From one FIAT owner to another (possible) one .. I'd say it's all worth it ... And I don't even own an Adventure .. mine is a modest little 1.2NV.

Mmmmmmm .. 100bhp.

rajismine · 23rd February 2007, 11:28

Try the Indigo DICOR Dude

determinus · 23rd February 2007, 11:36

Just for the suspension, forget everything else, go for the Adventure. For 5 lac you are getting a ride of cars that sell for 10 lac and beyond!!

windsurfer · 23rd February 2007, 11:39

Did you had a look at fusion? Though it more expensive and A$$ is not as good as maruti but it is not as bad as Fiat either. Fusion might suit all you needs. Give it a try.

gemithomas · 23rd February 2007, 11:51

Thanks to all for all the quick responses.

Apples and Oranges!!! I like that one.

NO TATA Vehicles. They lack so much in quality. THough the prices seem to be ok for the stuff they give.

Fusion...We have one at home. It rocks like a boat. But the Drive is cool with the 1.6 Petrol engine. The interiors and the options they give will spoil you to the core that you wont like any other car you see (Except the CIVIC!!!) Value for money car at the new price.

suman · 23rd February 2007, 12:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by gemithomas

I had earlier thought of the safari but could not handle the vehicle with only 1500 rpm range to play with. So decided not to go for that.

Don't write it off, I had the same apprehensions initially (since I drive a Fiesta 1.6 as well) but am really enjoying the experience now. The narrow power band does not bother me, you just need to adapt your driving style to the vehicle that's all.

If you are still bent on making a choice between the two you've shortlisted, I'd say go for the Adventure with your eyes closed.....its real VFM and looks good as well.

Cheers

tsk1979 · 23rd February 2007, 12:21

If you are worried about TATA A.S.S, you will find FIAT much worse.
If A.S.S. even remotely figures in your buying criteria unless you are sure of a reliable service center.
In all probability your adventure will be serviced by TATA staff.

RX135 · 23rd February 2007, 12:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by gemithomas

3. The suspension felt very hard spoiling the ride comfort especially when you sit in the back seat (Probably becaouse i have been spoilt by my 6 yr olf Fiat UNO suspension.)

If you are owning a Fiat for last 6 years, then go ahead with it eyes closed. You already know what to expect and what not to. Car per car, Adventure is THE beast, beyond any comparison in its segment.

gemithomas · 23rd February 2007, 12:45

Yes man...a BEAST indeed!!!! I'm almost getting paranoid with that Formula Red car lying in the showroom. But my logical part of pulling me towards more mileage, new technology engine, better service, better resale.

BUT I MIGHT END UP TAKING A EMOTIONAL DECISION!!! coz otherwise i'll feel really bad when i see someone else driving that car!!!!!!!!

roms · 23rd February 2007, 12:48

I agree with RX,you've had the uno for a long time,so you've been there done that.If you are happy with the UNO and most importantly are happy with the service being dished out to you,then you can consider the Fiat.
But yes,spares seem to be a problem as yet,especially if you are not in mumbai or pune.
The Adventure cannot be compared to Swift VDI in any way except one -fuel economy.You have'nt mentioned what kind of running your new car would be doing.The adventure is a guzzler in comparison to the swift VDI.So you need to enlighten us on that point.

gemithomas · 23rd February 2007, 13:44

oh sorry about that. my driving would be mostly on the higways with around 200km in city and around 600 km on highway every month. On a total my travel should not normally cross the 1k mark permonth.

I did a small comparison on the two vehicles.

If i go for the Adventure over the VDi i would have to spend around 1.75 L extra on fuel(compared to VDi) after a use of around 70K.

And when i sell my vehicle after 70K another 1.75L difference if i go for adventure now.

Total comes to around 3.5L difference.

So if i look at it as i am paying 5.31+3.50 = 8.81 Lfor my adventure it comes somewhere near the actual price at which the adventure was launched initially(Out of which i am paying 3.5L extra over a period of 5 years). This works out to around 5K extra per month to handle the adventure. feel the adventure gives you the comfort and drive experience worth that kind of money. What do you guys think.

PS. I hope idid not make it too confusing!!!!!!!!

gemithomas · 23rd February 2007, 13:51

sorry on that. i would drive around 200km in city and around 600 km on highway every month

23rd February 2007, 09:32	#1
gemithomas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 2,366 Thanked: 143 Times View My Garage	Buying Adventure sport over Swift VDi Planning to buy Formula Red Adventure Sport 1.6 at 5.31 L OTR after hefty discounts for 2006 model. Nearly 85K offer overall. I test drove the Swift Vdi(Diesel) also which comes at 5.33 OTR. Except for its extraordinary mileage and handling capacilities, I dod not like the following 1. Seating Position (Both in front where you feel like a frog and the rear where you feel you are really sitting on a bench) 2.Driving position without an option to even adjust the steering position. 3. The suspension felt very hard spoiling the ride comfort especially when you sit in the back seat (Probably becaouse i have been spoilt by my 6 yr olf Fiat UNO suspension.) 4. Maruti has just decide that people buying diesel do not need alloys, height adjustable seats and all those small things that feels good. (Common man after paying 5.3L they think you shd buy a digital clock as an accessory!!! leave alone the rear parcel shelf and side/bumper rubber strips and a whole lot of things) 5. THis might be sort of personal choice but the steering wheel and for that case the whole interiors looked so cheap that you would always want to get out of the car as soon as possible. Maybe they thought you should do that and thereby save money!!!! I had earlier thought of the safari but could not handle the vehicle with only 1500 rpm range to play with. So decided not to go for that. THe adventure a fully loaded vehicle (except music system and immobiliser). Ask for anything and you have it on the adventure. Little worried about the availability of spare parts since i dont think this vehicle will sell much in the indian market. But did not have a choice other that the Swift (D) but there too i felt they were making us look like fools by charging so mucha nd not giving us much. Look at the interiors of the european swift. That will tell you how much you should have been getting.
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23rd February 2007, 10:57	#2
typeOnegative Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vikhroli, Mumbai, India Posts: 1,502 Thanked: 28 Times	Your choice gemi. However, do take a closer look. All things being the same, the Adventure scores over the Swift VDi anyday as a machine. However, your being based in Trivandrum may cause some problems. Would suggest you wait and take a long look before committing to Fiat. If you were in Mumbai / Pune I would not have asked you to be so circumspect. At the prices you are quoting there is no competition - only if you are ready to deal with one of the most wretched car manufacturer in India.
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23rd February 2007, 11:02	#3
himanshugoswami Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: !!!! Posts: 2,326 Thanked: 2,693 Times	Apples and oranges my friend! The adventure is a brilliant car- no doubt- in fact plonk in a 1.9 JTD under that hood, and it would be THE ideal car for India! Alas, same cannot be said for sales support. the parts are unavailable most of the times, the Tata guys still dont understand this brilliant car and ownership experience can be very "interesting". So if you have the patience of a saint, go for this beauty. else play safe and buy a swift.
	() Thanks

23rd February 2007, 11:22	#4
etchemkay BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 160 Thanked: 23 Times	From one FIAT owner to another (possible) one .. I'd say it's all worth it ... And I don't even own an Adventure .. mine is a modest little 1.2NV. Mmmmmmm .. 100bhp.
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23rd February 2007, 11:28	#5
rajismine BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 539 Thanked: 281 Times View My Garage	Try the Indigo DICOR Dude
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23rd February 2007, 11:36	#6
determinus BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Pune Posts: 279 Thanked: 16 Times View My Garage	Just for the suspension, forget everything else, go for the Adventure. For 5 lac you are getting a ride of cars that sell for 10 lac and beyond!!
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23rd February 2007, 11:39	#7
windsurfer BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dundee, UK Posts: 513 Thanked: 25 Times	Did you had a look at fusion? Though it more expensive and A$$ is not as good as maruti but it is not as bad as Fiat either. Fusion might suit all you needs. Give it a try.
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23rd February 2007, 11:51	#8
gemithomas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 2,366 Thanked: 143 Times View My Garage	Thanks to all for all the quick responses. Apples and Oranges!!! I like that one. NO TATA Vehicles. They lack so much in quality. THough the prices seem to be ok for the stuff they give. Fusion...We have one at home. It rocks like a boat. But the Drive is cool with the 1.6 Petrol engine. The interiors and the options they give will spoil you to the core that you wont like any other car you see (Except the CIVIC!!!) Value for money car at the new price.
	() Thanks

23rd February 2007, 12:21	#10
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,689 Thanked: 23,495 Times View My Garage	If you are worried about TATA A.S.S, you will find FIAT much worse. If A.S.S. even remotely figures in your buying criteria unless you are sure of a reliable service center. In all probability your adventure will be serviced by TATA staff.
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23rd February 2007, 12:45	#12
gemithomas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 2,366 Thanked: 143 Times View My Garage	Yes man...a BEAST indeed!!!! I'm almost getting paranoid with that Formula Red car lying in the showroom. But my logical part of pulling me towards more mileage, new technology engine, better service, better resale. BUT I MIGHT END UP TAKING A EMOTIONAL DECISION!!! coz otherwise i'll feel really bad when i see someone else driving that car!!!!!!!!
	() Thanks

23rd February 2007, 12:48	#13
roms BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 641 Thanked: 27 Times	I agree with RX,you've had the uno for a long time,so you've been there done that.If you are happy with the UNO and most importantly are happy with the service being dished out to you,then you can consider the Fiat. But yes,spares seem to be a problem as yet,especially if you are not in mumbai or pune. The Adventure cannot be compared to Swift VDI in any way except one -fuel economy.You have'nt mentioned what kind of running your new car would be doing.The adventure is a guzzler in comparison to the swift VDI.So you need to enlighten us on that point.
	() Thanks

23rd February 2007, 13:44	#14
gemithomas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 2,366 Thanked: 143 Times View My Garage	oh sorry about that. my driving would be mostly on the higways with around 200km in city and around 600 km on highway every month. On a total my travel should not normally cross the 1k mark permonth. I did a small comparison on the two vehicles. If i go for the Adventure over the VDi i would have to spend around 1.75 L extra on fuel(compared to VDi) after a use of around 70K. And when i sell my vehicle after 70K another 1.75L difference if i go for adventure now. Total comes to around 3.5L difference. So if i look at it as i am paying 5.31+3.50 = 8.81 Lfor my adventure it comes somewhere near the actual price at which the adventure was launched initially(Out of which i am paying 3.5L extra over a period of 5 years). This works out to around 5K extra per month to handle the adventure. feel the adventure gives you the comfort and drive experience worth that kind of money. What do you guys think. PS. I hope idid not make it too confusing!!!!!!!!
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23rd February 2007, 13:51	#15
gemithomas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 2,366 Thanked: 143 Times View My Garage	sorry on that. i would drive around 200km in city and around 600 km on highway every month
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