All questions for CJ 3B

DHABHAR.BEHRAM · 8th April 2013, 16:20

Dear Soumya - it is better to get stuck with a lumioscent pricol gage rather than getting stuck with a dead engine, so you are indeed lucky! The "old school" Yenkay is still available in one shop in Chor Bazaar oppposite to all the "horns" shops. This shop sells "new" parts and still has an old british motorcycle standing inside it. I got many old school parts from here.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

desertfox · 10th April 2013, 13:37

As of date there are plenty of yenkay and Pricol gauges available for pretty reasonable prices in the Mayapuri used parts market here in Delhi. In decent working order to add.

Shiraz Shah · 12th April 2013, 02:54

Friends, a few days back the prop shaft of my LHD 3B fell off. Negligence (read "cross change karwaana hai yaar.." since 2010

) on my part caused the embarrassment and the agony. But I thank God that it happened near my place and I was able to drive the half-km distance gingerly by engaging 4x4 high and, of course, with the power going to the front wheels only.

QUESTIONS:

1) I would be going to Mayapuri (or do I go to Kashmere Gate?) to get the parts needed to fix it. Now, WHAT ALL do I need to get and from WHICH SHOP? Shall I get only the cross-joints (is that the right term?) or the shaft too?
2) I hope that the half-km that I drove in the aforementioned state, would not have caused any sort of damage?
3) What are the things that I need to keep a check on while buying and installing the new parts?

I know that I should have posted the pictures, and I will try to do that by tomorrow or day after, but I thought of sharing before clicking the pics anyway so that help starts pouring in

Shubhendra · 12th April 2013, 11:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiraz Shah

QUESTIONS:

1) I would be going to Mayapuri (or do I go to Kashmere Gate?) to get the parts needed to fix it. Now, WHAT ALL do I need to get and from WHICH SHOP? Shall I get only the cross-joints (is that the right term?) or the shaft too?
Ans: I believe your cross (star joint) is damaged, you dont need to either places for the same. Any place where people repair their jeeps (read normal jeeps) can do this job.
2) I hope that the half-km that I drove in the aforementioned state, would not have caused any sort of damage?
Ans: if driven at low speed, it wont do any harm.
3) What are the things that I need to keep a check on while buying and installing the new parts?
ans: Please check alignment of shaft, you need to check you clamps as well. any mechanic with even basic knowledge of Jeep can do this. once everything is fitted back, drive for 2-3 kms in various speed to check vibration, noise from shaft. Thats it

Shiraz Bhai,
Please see my answers highlighted. hope it helps.

Shubhendra Singh

desertfox · 12th April 2013, 12:29

A new cross should be available in Kashmiri gate along with other small fitments. Try there first. Mayapuri parts, specially new products supposidly sold there are to be avoided and installed only in extreme emergency.

The repair work can be done at any reliable mechanic near your residence.

Shiraz Shah · 12th April 2013, 13:38

Shubhendra, thank you so much brother! Yes, alignment of the shaft is one thing that I am anxious about. I see that the portion where it goes inside (that connects it to the gearbox?) has tilted to one side but I guess it will be come to its original position once the shaft is fitted..

Desertfox (Danish or Shahid? if I have observed correctly) thank you so much and I also felt the same about parts from Mayapuri! Could you please list down the parts that I should procure? I don't want that peculiar scenario where the mechanic tells me "Sir iska 'yeh part' aur aayega"

genesis · 6th May 2013, 18:26

So the CJ used to lean a little to the drivers side. Was taking photos yesterday and noticed that the lean is a bit more pronounced. Like 3/4th to 1 inch.

Was reading on the net and apparently it is apparently a known problem with CJs, partly due to the heavyweight nature of drivers such as myself

There is a solution which involves using a spacer to the leafspring rather than recambering (which will revert back anyway)

Could not understand it fully. Does someone know/Can someone explain.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/CJ3B_Bull...d/ar/t3858.htm

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...ml#post2278080 (not sure about applicability)

All inputs appreciated

genesis · 7th May 2013, 16:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by genesis

So the CJ used to lean a little to the drivers side. Was taking photos yesterday and noticed that the lean is a bit more pronounced. Like 3/4th to 1 inch.

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Was reading on the net and apparently it is apparently a known problem with CJs, partly due to the heavyweight nature of drivers such as myself

There is a solution which involves using a spacer to the leafspring rather than recambering (which will revert back anyway)

Could not understand it fully. Does someone know/Can someone explain.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/CJ3B_Bull...d/ar/t3858.htm

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...ml#post2278080 (not sure about applicability)

All inputs appreciated

So to answer half my own question:

A spacer (roughly 1 inch) goes between the leaf spring and the axle tube on the side that appears raised more.

The other half question which still needs an answer:

If the front left (facing the jeep) is leaning, as shown in the picture. What would be the right place to put the spacer. The front right leaf spring or the rear right leaf spring (diagonal to the front left) ?

jyobeb · 7th May 2013, 19:47

On a stock vehicle you need to put the spacer on the side opposite to the sagging side. With a spring over, you need to put it on the same side, ie. the sagging side.

DHABHAR.BEHRAM · 11th May 2013, 10:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by genesis

So the CJ used to lean a little to the drivers side. Was taking photos yesterday and noticed that the lean is a bit more pronounced. Like 3/4th to 1 inch.

Dear Soumya - we had done a very detailed study in Kandivli under the guidance of my mentor Mr.Vijay Dandge. Variability on load v/s deflection curve of the leaf springs itself as use progresses is the root cause. Spacers will spoil the setup.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

genesis · 11th May 2013, 10:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM

Dear Soumya - we had done a very detailed study in Kandivli under the guidance of my mentor Mr.Vijay Dandge. Variability on load v/s deflection curve of the leaf springs itself as use progresses is the root cause. Spacers will spoil the setup.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

Thanks for the input Behram jee.
So what is the way to straighten this mini leaning tower of pisa?

Rearch the patas (and risk breaking them) or get new ones at some point in time.

DHABHAR.BEHRAM · 11th May 2013, 11:38

Dear Soumya - look for obvious deficiencies and correct as required. CJ3Bs as OE had torsional bush design with dry assembly. Aftermarket fits all sorts of nonsense with metallic bushes with grease nipples etc which needs to be undone and thrown out. First start by trying to buy a set of OE bushes and OE shackle plates (U section, not just a plate). Then inspect the shock absorbers. If one of them has "jammed", then the tower of Pisa will lean to the opposite side. After both these options are explored, look at the springs and confirm that some after market "pattas" are not inserted! OE spring assembly life is around 60000 kms under normal use. This issue is continuing for a very long time.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

lugnut · 11th May 2013, 20:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by genesis

What would be a good 4 core replacement radiator for the CJ?

Would something like what fits in a 540 work or would it be too big and the fan shroud/cowl will have trouble being refitted back?

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...ml#post2614838

Soumya - how've you been my friend?

Get in touch with Rajesh bhai at Lawrence radiators - if the Jeep is drivable, just drive it over to his compound and have his guys take a look at it - I've just done this very recently to my 550, and it's working!

genesis · 11th May 2013, 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by lugnut

Soumya - how've you been my friend?

Get in touch with Rajesh bhai at Lawrence radiators - if the Jeep is drivable, just drive it over to his compound and have his guys take a look at it - I've just done this very recently to my 550, and it's working!

Thanks. Radiator was fixed a long time ago. Just needed some real good flushing and soldering. Apparently it was a four core and i was a ignoramus!

Jeep is very much drivable and many changes since then

genesis · 30th March 2014, 09:31

Got tired of getting stuck in muddy/watery obstacles while classics, 550s and even gypsy's zoomed through.

Gave in to letting go of 'originality' and installed a contact less electronic ignition system which gets rid of the distributor breaker and point system.

Procured from Kiran Bhide of Autoescorts (Kolhapur). Have installed it a while ago but finally got to cleaning up the arrangement. Not done water fording yet

Mr Bhide used to make these for Maruti 800's, RD 350s and enfields many moons ago and the passion still shows. Impeccable customer service.

Here are some pics of the install.

The spark plug wires are mine. The kit is designed to be installed on the engine block and has shorter wires.
The spark plug wire separators are anodised aluminium ones, procured from Aliexpress.

There is a marked feel of increase in power (placebo or not I dont know)

Now waiting for the rains!

8th April 2013, 16:20	#286
DHABHAR.BEHRAM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MUMBAI Posts: 3,060 Thanked: 5,407 Times	Re: All questions for CJ 3B Dear Soumya - it is better to get stuck with a lumioscent pricol gage rather than getting stuck with a dead engine, so you are indeed lucky! The "old school" Yenkay is still available in one shop in Chor Bazaar oppposite to all the "horns" shops. This shop sells "new" parts and still has an old british motorcycle standing inside it. I got many old school parts from here. Best regards, Behram Dhabhar
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10th April 2013, 13:37	#287
desertfox Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurgaon, Delhi NCR Posts: 1,270 Thanked: 652 Times	Re: All questions for CJ 3B As of date there are plenty of yenkay and Pricol gauges available for pretty reasonable prices in the Mayapuri used parts market here in Delhi. In decent working order to add.
	() Thanks

12th April 2013, 02:54	#288
Shiraz Shah BHPian Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: New Delhi Posts: 26 Thanked: 5 Times	Re: All questions for CJ 3B Friends, a few days back the prop shaft of my LHD 3B fell off. Negligence (read "cross change karwaana hai yaar.." since 2010) on my part caused the embarrassment and the agony. But I thank God that it happened near my place and I was able to drive the half-km distance gingerly by engaging 4x4 high and, of course, with the power going to the front wheels only. QUESTIONS: 1) I would be going to Mayapuri (or do I go to Kashmere Gate?) to get the parts needed to fix it. Now, WHAT ALL do I need to get and from WHICH SHOP? Shall I get only the cross-joints (is that the right term?) or the shaft too? 2) I hope that the half-km that I drove in the aforementioned state, would not have caused any sort of damage? 3) What are the things that I need to keep a check on while buying and installing the new parts? I know that I should have posted the pictures, and I will try to do that by tomorrow or day after, but I thought of sharing before clicking the pics anyway so that help starts pouring in
	() Thanks

12th April 2013, 12:29	#290
desertfox Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurgaon, Delhi NCR Posts: 1,270 Thanked: 652 Times	Re: All questions for CJ 3B A new cross should be available in Kashmiri gate along with other small fitments. Try there first. Mayapuri parts, specially new products supposidly sold there are to be avoided and installed only in extreme emergency. The repair work can be done at any reliable mechanic near your residence.
	(1) Thanks

12th April 2013, 13:38	#291
Shiraz Shah BHPian Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: New Delhi Posts: 26 Thanked: 5 Times	Re: All questions for CJ 3B Shubhendra, thank you so much brother! Yes, alignment of the shaft is one thing that I am anxious about. I see that the portion where it goes inside (that connects it to the gearbox?) has tilted to one side but I guess it will be come to its original position once the shaft is fitted.. Desertfox (Danish or Shahid? if I have observed correctly) thank you so much and I also felt the same about parts from Mayapuri! Could you please list down the parts that I should procure? I don't want that peculiar scenario where the mechanic tells me "Sir iska 'yeh part' aur aayega"
	() Thanks

6th May 2013, 18:26	#292
genesis BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 774 Thanked: 661 Times	Jeep Lean So the CJ used to lean a little to the drivers side. Was taking photos yesterday and noticed that the lean is a bit more pronounced. Like 3/4th to 1 inch. Was reading on the net and apparently it is apparently a known problem with CJs, partly due to the heavyweight nature of drivers such as myself There is a solution which involves using a spacer to the leafspring rather than recambering (which will revert back anyway) Could not understand it fully. Does someone know/Can someone explain. http://z4.invisionfree.com/CJ3B_Bull...d/ar/t3858.htm http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...ml#post2278080 (not sure about applicability) All inputs appreciated
	() Thanks

7th May 2013, 19:47	#294
jyobeb Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Madurai Posts: 1,009 Thanked: 705 Times	On a stock vehicle you need to put the spacer on the side opposite to the sagging side. With a spring over, you need to put it on the same side, ie. the sagging side.
	() Thanks

11th May 2013, 11:38	#297
DHABHAR.BEHRAM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MUMBAI Posts: 3,060 Thanked: 5,407 Times	Re: All questions for CJ 3B Dear Soumya - look for obvious deficiencies and correct as required. CJ3Bs as OE had torsional bush design with dry assembly. Aftermarket fits all sorts of nonsense with metallic bushes with grease nipples etc which needs to be undone and thrown out. First start by trying to buy a set of OE bushes and OE shackle plates (U section, not just a plate). Then inspect the shock absorbers. If one of them has "jammed", then the tower of Pisa will lean to the opposite side. After both these options are explored, look at the springs and confirm that some after market "pattas" are not inserted! OE spring assembly life is around 60000 kms under normal use. This issue is continuing for a very long time. Best regards, Behram Dhabhar
	() Thanks

30th March 2014, 09:31	#300
genesis BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 774 Thanked: 661 Times	Re: All questions for CJ 3B Got tired of getting stuck in muddy/watery obstacles while classics, 550s and even gypsy's zoomed through. Gave in to letting go of 'originality' and installed a contact less electronic ignition system which gets rid of the distributor breaker and point system. Procured from Kiran Bhide of Autoescorts (Kolhapur). Have installed it a while ago but finally got to cleaning up the arrangement. Not done water fording yet Mr Bhide used to make these for Maruti 800's, RD 350s and enfields many moons ago and the passion still shows. Impeccable customer service. Here are some pics of the install. The spark plug wires are mine. The kit is designed to be installed on the engine block and has shorter wires. The spark plug wire separators are anodised aluminium ones, procured from Aliexpress. There is a marked feel of increase in power (placebo or not I dont know) Now waiting for the rains!
	(3) Thanks