Gypsy vs Gypsy King

Randhawa · 19th November 2008, 00:40

@Braveheart77 So did you liked the green Gypsy then!

braveheart_77 · 19th November 2008, 20:56

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braveheart_77 · 20th November 2008, 21:21

Thats great Mr.Randhawa.Can you shed some light which green gyspy you are talking about?

dwaraka · 27th November 2008, 12:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuttapan

I would suggest getting your speedo checked, I wouldn't buy a 45bhp Gypsy doing 135kph. That too a 1995 model - Someone plonked in a 1.3l engine when you weren't looking?

Offroad too, the 413W has a definite advantage over 410, when it comes to steep inclines, with the vehicle loaded. Torque has the final say.

Kuttappan,
It's like Repley's believe it or not. You can draw conclusions of your own.

As for off roading, 410 w /n track, performance is fine. I have been in Off roading league here and been able to match performance of gypsy king or jeep. Ultimately, it's man machine synchrony which governs performance of any vehicle.

Suzuki Samurai is a most formidable off roader in your side of the world.

Dwarak

kuttapan · 28th November 2008, 06:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwaraka

Kuttappan,
It's like Repley's believe it or not. You can draw conclusions of your own.

I just asked to get your speedo checked. Failing that, you could run alongside one of the newer gen cars and get your speed ascertained.

Please, please do this and tell us if that 135kph was right. I assume that your Gypsy is in much better condition that I have seen and that you maybe right after all.

Suzuki Samurai being the "most" formidable, ahem..Well, everyone has their favourites, don't they?

dwaraka · 28th November 2008, 11:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuttapan

I just asked to get your speedo checked. Failing that, you could run alongside one of the newer gen cars and get your speed ascertained.

Please, please do this and tell us if that 135kph was right. I assume that your Gypsy is in much better condition that I have seen and that you maybe right after all.

Suzuki Samurai being the "most" formidable, ahem..Well, everyone has their favourites, don't they?

Not made any false claim so far and will not. That's why I said Repley believe or not.
Yes my gypsy is very good condition and well maintained.

Dwarak

aadix · 28th November 2008, 12:28

OT: didnt want to start up another thread for this.

guys, how much to pay for a end 2007 / start 2008 stock gypsy king soft top done 15k kms and has an aftermarket a/c, automech exhaust and a decent system.

Randhawa · 28th November 2008, 14:09

@aadix I would say near about 4.5L

akshay4587 · 29th November 2008, 01:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwaraka

Kuttappan,

read your replies on power, braking and mileage issues

I own Gypsy MG 410 of 1995 issue. The problems you mentioned are specific to vehicles not with the models. MG 410 gives mileage anywhere between 8 - 10 pl. and braking is perfect in my case. I have saved goats, donkeys, men and women coming in front of the vehicle at high speeds.

When I say highspeeds, I meant at 120 kmph. I clocked speed of 135 kmph on Pune -Mumbai expressway.

On offroading too MG 410 is equally good as MG 413 if not worse.

Definitely, MG 413 is far more powerful, because of its engine capability and transmission. MPFI version of MG 413 gives mileage of 12- 13 kmpl.

Khan_Sultan who is owning MG 413 will vouch for my claim.

Dwarak

This is not possible on a stock MG410/W
no way.
Very difficult even for a MPFI king.

I Used to Own a early 97 model MG410W
and the thing never ever crossed 110 on full throttle for Kms together.
Even with a MG413W Mpfi its difficult to cross 120 although it reaches there pretty quickly.
Dwarka any mods to the engine?
may be something seriously wrong with speedo in case engine is stock.

kuttapan · 29th November 2008, 02:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by akshay4587

This is not possible on a stock MG410/W
no way.
Very difficult even for a MPFI king.

I Used to Own a early 97 model MG410W
and the thing never ever crossed 110 on full throttle for Kms together.

This is what I have seen as well, but then I never drove a brand new Gypsy. Still think 135 is far fetched, hence asked Dwarka to get his speedo checked or compared against another car. He doesn't seem inclined though.

dwaraka · 29th November 2008, 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuttapan

This is what I have seen as well, but then I never drove a brand new Gypsy. Still think 135 is far fetched, hence asked Dwarka to get his speedo checked or compared against another car. He doesn't seem inclined though.

Kuttappan,

Speedo is working fine. Not done any modifications to engine. My gypsy engine is in perfect condition and had been opened for change of stardard size piston rings only a couple of years back.

I build up the speed not by revving, but increasing cruise. It is up to you to make conclusions of your own.

Regards,
Dwarak

Pardus · 1st December 2008, 15:59

I personally feel it's got to do with indivudual vehicles and not just the model in general. My previous Gypsy (MG410, 1995 model) would struggle to touch 105-110kmph. But with my second one Gypsy (MG410, 1996 model) with stock engine I have touched 120-125kmph many times between Bangalore - Mysore during long cruise sections.

What Dwarka says may also be possible if one cuises gradually on a straight road like Mumbai-Pune expressway where you get a chance to push the vehicle to it's maximum limits.

Samir Taheer · 9th January 2009, 14:01

What Dwarka said is very possible. I used to have a Red MG410 88-89 i think, which used to do 130-135. The car would get upto 120 easily but you'd need a nice long stretch of road to go anywhere beyond that. My 2nd Gypsy MG 410, bought in 95 would struggle to do 110. On the highway, you were lucky to get to the 120 mark. My new Gypsy King, white (2004 - i think) I've managed to get the needle all the way to the 140 mark on the Bombay-Pune express way.

So yeah it is possible and its very much upto the individual cars and engines.

siddartha · 9th January 2009, 14:34

the king is superior to the old gypsy on all possible counts ,that needs no discussion.

MexXxentric · 28th June 2009, 17:28

Guys,

I had a 1994 model 410W H/T and the best average I got was 14kmpl.
It was on a judicious 300km drive from chennai to trichy.
I had stock tyres ( 185 nylons)which were over inflated by 2 kg and maintained 60-80kmph speed,occasionally touching 100kmpl

The worst I got was 9.5kmpl inside chennai city.

In ghat rides, it returned 12 kmpl. Even santros and Ikons returned the same values or even lesser mileage in ghats.

I get my engine tuned every 5000kms / before every long drive and it used to squirt water from exhaust.

Top speed was 115kmph with K&N Conical filter and 105kmph with stock. Mine was tuned for optimum mileage.

Now i have a 95 model with 235 tyres and alloys and it's best mileage is 9.5kmpl on highways.

and struggles to touch 80kmph. this one don't squirt.

Hope that this explains the mileage puzzle.

Visual difference between King and wide track models include the new front grill and Projected bonnet.

MG410s(narrow track) have hublocks in the front, black skinny fenders and lacks the black plastic skirts.

19th November 2008, 00:40	#46
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20th November 2008, 21:21	#48
braveheart_77 BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: amritsar Posts: 152 Thanked: 68 Times	Thats great Mr.Randhawa.Can you shed some light which green gyspy you are talking about?
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28th November 2008, 12:28	#52
aadix Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: hyderabad Posts: 1,597 Thanked: 14 Times	OT: didnt want to start up another thread for this. guys, how much to pay for a end 2007 / start 2008 stock gypsy king soft top done 15k kms and has an aftermarket a/c, automech exhaust and a decent system.
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28th November 2008, 14:09	#53
Randhawa Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Brighton Posts: 1,193 Thanked: 355 Times	@aadix I would say near about 4.5L
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1st December 2008, 15:59	#57
Pardus BHPian Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 140 Thanked: 259 Times	I personally feel it's got to do with indivudual vehicles and not just the model in general. My previous Gypsy (MG410, 1995 model) would struggle to touch 105-110kmph. But with my second one Gypsy (MG410, 1996 model) with stock engine I have touched 120-125kmph many times between Bangalore - Mysore during long cruise sections. What Dwarka says may also be possible if one cuises gradually on a straight road like Mumbai-Pune expressway where you get a chance to push the vehicle to it's maximum limits.
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9th January 2009, 14:01	#58
Samir Taheer BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: London & Pune Posts: 459 Thanked: 278 Times	What Dwarka said is very possible. I used to have a Red MG410 88-89 i think, which used to do 130-135. The car would get upto 120 easily but you'd need a nice long stretch of road to go anywhere beyond that. My 2nd Gypsy MG 410, bought in 95 would struggle to do 110. On the highway, you were lucky to get to the 120 mark. My new Gypsy King, white (2004 - i think) I've managed to get the needle all the way to the 140 mark on the Bombay-Pune express way. So yeah it is possible and its very much upto the individual cars and engines.
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9th January 2009, 14:34	#59
siddartha BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: bangalore Posts: 671 Thanked: 24 Times	the king is superior to the old gypsy on all possible counts ,that needs no discussion.
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28th June 2009, 17:28	#60
MexXxentric BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 248 Thanked: 11 Times	why everyone is blaming Gypsy on mileage? poor gypsy. Guys, I had a 1994 model 410W H/T and the best average I got was 14kmpl. It was on a judicious 300km drive from chennai to trichy. I had stock tyres ( 185 nylons)which were over inflated by 2 kg and maintained 60-80kmph speed,occasionally touching 100kmpl The worst I got was 9.5kmpl inside chennai city. In ghat rides, it returned 12 kmpl. Even santros and Ikons returned the same values or even lesser mileage in ghats. I get my engine tuned every 5000kms / before every long drive and it used to squirt water from exhaust. Top speed was 115kmph with K&N Conical filter and 105kmph with stock. Mine was tuned for optimum mileage. Now i have a 95 model with 235 tyres and alloys and it's best mileage is 9.5kmpl on highways. and struggles to touch 80kmph. this one don't squirt. Hope that this explains the mileage puzzle. Visual difference between King and wide track models include the new front grill and Projected bonnet. MG410s(narrow track) have hublocks in the front, black skinny fenders and lacks the black plastic skirts.
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