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Moreover , i believe that there can never be one perfect offroader as specs change with the offroad conditions unless we start going into tatra 6X6 or 8X8 categories. | |
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On a serious note, I wouldnt mind being called a ~"ROOKIE"~ in the 4x4 / offroading world hence was my attempt to invite meaningful inputs from which all the rookies on the forum can learn from you pros...and Im glad Im successful in doing so looking at your beautiful inputs below. Bear with rookies like me, I know it can be annoying for people of your stature... Quote:
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Yeah, this again can be extremely subjective...Im sure there are so many here who would choose a Bolero over a GV. Its not about how each one feels about Bolero is what we're interested in, we're just trying to bring out something against the dormancy in the Boleros character coz so many others here feel that its THE best platform for the gene development of an extremely uncompromised/ almost perfect non-competition offroader in its class... Few folks who are die hard Bolero fans out here can throw more light to the context. Last edited by The Wolf : 7th June 2009 at 05:05. | ||||||
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Wolf, I know you can keep at this, so I'll make my point quickly. As I mentioned already, I respect your achievements and knowledge in modding/dragging, etc. But lateral transfer of racing knowledge to offroading doesn't really work. So I was more than a little surprised to find you in 4x4 section starting a thread with a controversial title, and then you are asking people to support their claims when they respond to you. If I go into ICE section and start a thread saying "Isn't Bose the greatest speaker system ever?" or go into motor sport section and start a thread saying "Isn't Santro the best highway cruiser?", what kind of reaction I am supposed to expect? Mind you, there are lots of people who think Bose is the best and also people who think Santro can blaze the trail at 150-160kmph on the expressway. If I am getting into new territory, I would start by asking a question, and not by making a controversial declaration. But that's just me, I have neither automotive knowledge nor racing experience, so humility comes without effort. But the 4x4 section here has some very senior and very knowledgeable people, no, don't even think of counting me among them. If you want their feedback, you could at least make a pretense at being humble, if not they won't bother responding to you. Anyway, you are already a rookie, there is nothing I can teach you. But I can give you one advice, something non-technical. Offroading scene is a very friendly and non-competitive circle. And it is a very small world, by the time you attend 2-3 events, you'll know most regular offroaders on close terms. Many of them never even log into Team-BHP or Jeep Thrills, but know hell of a lot more than most keyboard warriors like us. You'll have a much better experience if you enter the offroading world with an open mind rather than preconceived notions. I know you are likely to throw away my advice like a dirty diaper, but I'll be content in knowing that I gave a sound advice, which I admit is entirely unsolicited. | |||||||
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| ![]() DirtyDiaper...a relative of mine, I believe. Anybody know the wheelbase of the Bolero 4x4 by chance. Just wondering how prone it might be to getting hung up on a berm, burm, birm, byrm....pick one or add your own. |
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| ![]() The Bolero standard chassis wheelbase is 2680mm...however thats not the real culprit, its the GC that can be a little hindering. Tyre upgrade to bigger, better ones are a must as I see it if one wants to do some serious offroading Last edited by The Wolf : 7th June 2009 at 15:06. |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() | ![]() The biggest flaw in the Bolero as far as i am concerned is the underpowered engine. The other issues like GC can be overcome by putting in larger diameter tires and off-setting it higher diff ration so not to loose power/torque. However changing the engine and putting something aftermarket shouldn't have to be done to a new vehicle. XD3T (Turbo would have been a great choice). We have a lot of tuners for petrol cars in India. Wish we had some good diesel engine modifiers. |
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| ![]() Hi i would like to add in one more to the already mentioned vehicles above-what about the Invader?can it address some of the flaws of the Bolero especially that of the wheelbase etc.? |
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| ![]() Thanks for that link samurai, just saw one in the mahindra showroom here and wanted to know about it!! The Kerala police uses them in large numbers now-guess they replacing the older mahindras' with these!! |
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The AMG version was crazy. 0-60 in 4.6 seconds; An SUV too! | |
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OT: As regards to the AMG version, check out the Bowler Wild Cat Video on Youtube | |
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Team-BHP Support ![]() | ![]() I have quite a bit of offroading experience in both the Safari and the Gypsy. On paper the safari has humongous torque, large GC(210mm) and rear LSD. The gypsy which I used to drive had a puny 65 horsepower engine, no diff locks and no LSD. Yet, it used to go places where the safari can't. They key is weight. People keep talking about power to weight ratio, LSD, difflocks etc, etc., but forget a very very important parameter, weight relationship with footpring. Lower weight means lower pressure, so lesser change of sinking. At places where even land cruisers will dig in, and require all technological whizardry to get out, gypsy will go on because the 1 ton kerb weight will not allow it to sink in. However on very steep inclines which offer some grip. the high powered diesels will beat the gypsy hollow. In the current avatar with crde bolero will be formidable, but the moment the terrain gets too sandy or slushy, it will sink in with opposite wheels spinning. In such situations either you should have a vehicle so light that it does not sink in, or something wil diff locks like the gurkha so that you have all 4 wheels spinning to get you out. Another hurdle for Bolero will be the GC, which at 180mm means that it will ground at any slightly tough track. |
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