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Well, when it comes to offroading Gypsy is way ahead of the game as compared to bolero even if its an old vehicle. I think the discussion is about offroading not about VFM " Will bolero be best offroader ever". Quote:
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| ![]() Well, well finally looks like its all boiling down to ground clearance- the only defying factor, which in my mind is extremely easy to over come, arka, vinod, Amar, spitfire, discoverwild pls add your know thoughts on minimalistic mods to overcome this drawback. It would be great to hear from bolero owners who have tried some real offroading too...that would be like hearing from the horses mouth directly!!! Last edited by The Wolf : 12th June 2009 at 15:17. |
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with a 28" Tyre (6.00x16) = 8.00" i.e 203mm with 31" Tyres (7.50X16) = 8.00 + (3"/2) = 9.5" = 241mm with 33" Tyres (33-12.50-15) = 8.00 + (5"/2) = 10.5" = 266mm Regards, Arka | |
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I drive a DI-Turbo with a rural bullock cart 63bhp engine. I've driven 25000km till now and i've never had a SINGLE problem. That's peace of mind. Touchwood. I didn't buy it for off-roading. I could afford only that. But I AM GLAD i did. With the kind of "roads" those IDIOTS make with my tax money, i needed a Bolero. So, if you think Bolero is not for "metropolitan" roads like in Bangalore, think again. BTW, nobody here said Bolero is the BEST off-roader. People here are too level-headed to say that. I've my own list of design flaws in Bolero. Everybody has. Also, i'm unable to understand the point you're trying to make. You say Bolero is not the best off-roader. Everybody else agrees Bolero is not the best off-roader. So, what's this fight about? ![]() | |
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Sir, I never consider or considered Bolero to be India's numero uno effort.I just believe out of experience that Bolero is a very rugged, comely and capable vehicle fit for some extent of off roading.But can YOU kindly point out the vehicle which you consider the numero uno please? The Tata Safari,may be! I never thiought it to be true blue offroader-that rank may belong to a SWB Jeep, Land rover Defender or Uunimog or a Jonga.But from your words, what you are doing is only mud slinging without assigning any cogent reasons. And the folks you dismiss as"rural" are the lot of people who are the best judges of these kind of vehicles-for they use them in REAL LIFE situations regularly and accept or reject them.In other words it is what we say tried and tested. Selling in numbers won't signify being the best but it do signify that the majority of Indian folks are not of your opinion about the Bolero! and please know that the majority of Boleros are sold and used in the cities in India(check sales statistics if you please). P.S: Do you consider the CRDI 2.5 engine also as a poor and outdated engine? If yes, do pardon my ignorance! Last edited by Ashley Nair : 12th June 2009 at 21:19. | |
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I know you are very technical about this offroading business, can you punch in some numners about the ~cost of suspension lift , tyre upgrade and more powerful engine(right now crde is only in 4x2 version) for bolero. Just curious to know what would be the total cost of the vehicle with all the offroad upgrades. Regards Amar | |
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I would highly recommend you to try out some modern vehicles, to get a grasp of things. Your lack of knowhow/knowledge to work on modern machines, doesn't make Bolero a champion! Again try out modern vehicles, they have far less breakdowns/repairs. Quote:
I already said, it suits the needs of plenty, 4x4 can do some amount of offroading. That's what Im saying, its not the best offroader & fanboys are pouncing! I guess for pure offroading needs, a 4x4 Invader could be a better preposition, it has shorter wheel base, smaller turning radius, lesser weight. The present Bolero's engine(DI) is an archaic unit, its too low on power & there's no substitute for power! All important torque is also not very high. I can sense the plight of offroader community in India, they are not asking for more. Whereas, look at the ever expanding car market, consumers are asking for every bit of features/new tech. Also shows the closed mindsets of offroading enthusiasts thus not forcing companies to bring in new products or improve older ones. Point out the shortcomings, let the companies witness the "want". Going all gaga over something as trivial as a Bolero would hamper its improvemt only, like has been the case ever since. | ||
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Trust me, we have been screaming from the roof tops in both Jeep Thrills and Team-BHP, done all the pointing out. We have reached out to the top honchos of Mahindra many times, but the miniscule size of offroading populace of India doesn't make a business case for them. So what is the next move? | |
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Your sentence above tells me you know nothing about off-roading. Quote:
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![]() Offroading is not a sport in India where you can call the Authorised Service Station and they will come in their fancy pickup vans and pull you out from the nearest forest or off a hill. If it breaks down you should need to know how to mend it. So Bolero has a +ve there. Quote:
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| ![]() A bolero is the perfect compromise for reasonable on road performance, and reasonable off road performance. Coupled with a gutsy go anywhere engine, an easy to mend body shell, and reasonable service support anywhere in India - this is a fantastic compromise for someone who wants one car for two purposes (never mind that it does not perform both these activities as well as a specialist vehicle). Trying to make someone understand the merits of your discussion only works if that particular person is open enough to see the merits. Else, this discussion is just great non-technical fodder for the rest of us buffaloes who have plenty of time to while away in front of a computer. Maybe we should have a rule that ONLY current owners of a particular vehicle are allowed to discuss that vehicle. That way, written discussions will be better understood - between owners - and there is no question of accusing the other of not driving the car in question enough. |
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Whatever the market size, corporate honchos should know that the current products they are providing are nothing more than crap. If they are made to read threads in which vehicles like Bolero are made unsung heroes, how can we wish for them to improve! Point the shortcomings in bold, something on the terms of Skoda bashing thread. Why not?? & see the change occurring in no time! Quote:
Majburi ka naam ...........(Bolero)! That should not be the case. If you are not interested in ergonomics, why do you care about A.C./P.S. ?? Why not get a barebone Invader or a Gypsy?? Do you know what offroading is?? Its a sport for the moneyed, an expensive sport. Why VFM should be a criteria of selecting the best? That's the case everywhere, many vehicles break down on National highways & there's no help. Modern vehicles are more trustworthy & breakdowns are far less. What you need is a UV/MUV to ferry people not an offroader, try Xylo/Innova/Scorpio instead, with them also you will get a sense of where the things have moved while you clung to your Bolero! | ||
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Go the pages around here and find out the number of problems that modern vehicles give us, with no way to rectify it ourselves. Car makers are ensuring that buyers remain their slaves forever. Ex: The Ford Ikon and even the Fiesta in some cases. So, please do some reading. Second - Try taking the Xylo / Innova / Scorpio off-road. Then when it breaks down, you will need some of the lesser Gods (for you, Bolero, MM550, CL340 etc) to get it back on the road. Last edited by khan_sultan : 14th June 2009 at 08:07. Reason: cleanup | |
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Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Madurai
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| ![]() ...The Bolero/ Invader is a half decent off-roader and if we get something better for even 25% more, we would go for it. Last edited by khan_sultan : 14th June 2009 at 08:06. Reason: cleaning up |
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| ![]() I was thinking of replying here, but then have corrected myself, after checking out people's response. Over here even the top people are not ready to open their mind, and are trying to prove the best automobile engineers which any one employs as useless. Automobiles companies operate on two things which are interrelated Usually "Profit and Demand". Demand is for those vehicles which work. My off-roading skills and experience are limited but I have understood one thing - all vehicles are different. You cannot drive Gurkha like a Jeep and many times it failed because I was getting instructions on how to drive a Jeep. I hope the people here understand this thing while comparing vehicles. I guess gods here would even make a M800 best off-roader, plonk 4wd set, diff locks, 35" wheels, toyota engine and voila! So why not Bolero! ![]() ![]() Last edited by rhandle : 28th June 2009 at 10:26. |
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