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![]() | ![]() Arka, I dont know the technicalities of it, but I distinctly remember dad posting a statement about it not being a viable fit or something. Will ask him when I speak to him, I could be wrong. DKG, precisely what I have been saying for ages now. It doesnt make sense investing time and money for a TG of 1000/2000 people does it. ![]() ![]() My female Friends who have no idea about how cars work or have no inclination to find out anything about OTRing found the THAR sexy. That says it all. This car is a chick magnet and we all know it. |
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![]() Women in any market matter in the buying decision and this feedback from your side is great news. If women are finding the Thar sexy it ties in with my understanding of how the Wrangler was popular with the young crowd in the US. And it wasn't for offroading. It was just a cool vehicle to drive around town. So if the Thar is heading that way, and I hope a 2wd CRDe comes out quickly with bright trendy colours and interiors then we should have a successful run for the Thar. Maybe its a selfish approach I am taking. If M&M make the Thar a success it will at the very least allow a platform for developers like BD to slowly give out variants more focused for offroading as a sport I think we are on the right track with this car | |
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How will a Solid Axle prevent people from taking it for leisurely pursuits? On the contrary the people familiar or from an Off-road back ground will understand the limits or be able to read the fine print and prevent abuse. Most people will buy it because it new and you get a car-like service and support. Please look at the Thar http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attach...e-2-slide4.jpg http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attach...e-2-slide5.jpg Why is it tipping forward, is it the additional weight of the winch and bumper, but I'm sure this lack of ground clearance will not matter, and this is a Brand New Vehicle. And it's OK if the suspension splays out like the Scorpio's after sometime. People who want to buy this for boating, fishing, sailing, windsurfing, will do so in groups of 5-6 Thars, and next to the M.A.S.S, so they wouldn't need a winch, or aggressive tyres, or MLD/LSD/Differential Locks. Regards, Arka PS - what sells its the Thar MDI, hence it has got solid axle, or it has solid axle hence it will sell. | |
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I am not asking for a Rubicon. I am asking for a Mahindra Legend with a better engine. How is that going to be a lot more expensive than the MDI mm540 for which the ex showrooom price is something like 4.8 Lakhs? Last edited by 4x4addict : 29th December 2010 at 10:55. | |
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I brought the THAR CRDe home yesterday during my test drive and was not sure how my wife and daughter would react. Beleive me, they were astounded, loved it and it got a double thumbs up. My wife drives a Civic and Lancer today. | |
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Well, Not sure If I am an one off example, but I/wife are one techie couple interested and very close to getting the Thar home. |
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Sorry, if I missed your post about this, but have you booked the Thar? When will you be able to take delivery of the Thar? | |
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I test drove it for about a good hour and a half yesterday and you can find my opinion on my post elsewhere in this thread. The dealer has promised me Mid Jan delivery for a Jan 2011 manufactured vehicle. They have been very professional so far and I hope they keep up to their word if I decide to go for it. Regards | |
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i think these two statements sum up the target audience.. newbies to the 4x4 world and posers. @blackraven -no offence meant; this debate has gone on way too long. the only attraction seems to be the engine and i think Xtreme power can address that need more competently than M&M me thinks. A prpoer 4x4 can not be mass manufactured but needs to be custom built. M&M has been doling out junk for decades and this is no different. cheers | ||
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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | ![]() The offroaders want a refined engine, but something uncomplicated. That means no CRDe and no ECU. Something like XYLO D2 engine. The offroaders want leaf spring & solid axle in the front. The lifestylers want lockable hard top. The lifestylers want AC. The lifestylers want front facing rear seats. I want all the above. But Thar somehow avoided delivering all the above. Yes, Thar MDI has leaf spring and non CRDe engine, but that is neither a refined engine nor well put together as Thar CRDe. Thar has managed to disappoint both offroaders and lifestylers, as of now. That is why many of us like me are still going to wait until we see some improvements. |
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For the kind of offroading most people will do the IFS will not disappoint. End result is more people will appreciate the car for its car like road manners and ride comfort and reasonable offroadability. Solid axle vehicles are crude and daft as family vehicles where comfort on long drives is paramount. You can be rest assured that not a single family will buy the MDI because they want a solid axled offroader. They will invariably prefer the CRDe version for its superior comfort. Quote:
And how many MDI will be bought new by offroaders? I doubt many ! Not when you have a dramatically superior handling vehicle in the CRDe | ||
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Now you say you want a 540 but with Thar like refinement and finish but don't want the CRDe engine ! ![]() Pretty soon the mfg's will stop listening as they will think you are impossible to please ![]() Last edited by DKG : 29th December 2010 at 13:34. | ||
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If Solid Axles were so Daft as you put it, most of the world would have gotten rid of it, even the newest JEEP Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited is Solid Axle albeit with Coil Springs, this is considered a family oriented Off-Road vehicle in USA. Lets see what kind of off-road most people do. What are they doing right now is the JEEPTHRILLS & TeamBHP kind of off-road which is pretty demanding on the Scorpio's especially the Front Axle. Also axle aside if some one want's to carry their family along just because a MM540 got IFS, he is one helluva family man. What about 1) All Weather protection. Have you seen how much dust gets into an MM540, in a short City drive. 2) Seating and Luggage. (An INDIAN Urban Family (HW2K) with luggage cannot fit or seat in a MM550, front facing or not, please add recovery & off-road gear to the list and miscellaneous lifestyle gear (Fishing Tackle/Life-Jackets/Aero models etc) 3) Even if you do carry what protection for the valuable gear? Imagine driving BLR-Mumbai at 140Kmph on time for the off-road, and on the trail the CV Joint Snaps, or the Rack & Pinion Steering strips, The Chicks will definitely have a field day. Above is only possible if the potholes on the Highway, don't get the IFS First. The Rural Market is not dominated by the Trax Toofan, even there M&M reigns supreme (Savari/Bolero/Major/MAXX/Commander), on road and rough road use the Bolero Derived IFS, and the Lower end OKBJ Dead Axle. Regards, Arka | |
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