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Thar OTR 7.25 Lakhs Add Hard Top 60K Add AC 25K Alloys 25K Tire upgrade from OEM Bridgestones xxxK How many of you will buy a 8.25 Lakh for 4 seater lifestyle vehicle, raise your hands?? Quote:
For seven lakhs plus you get the basic soft top with side facing seats. At the most you will use it as a runabout? How about the safety of your belongings and keeping the dust out of the interiors? You will want a hard top. This will add a about 60K to the price and whole lot of headache with the Tinker unless mahindra offers OEM version. Add the AC? If your friend and family complains about having to sit sideways on a bench seat, you will want to change the seating configuration to front facing rear seats. This will accomodate two people at the rear and some stuff. However the entry/exit will be painful as the front seats don't flip like in the gypsy with front facing seats. Quote:
@DKG & Fazalbhai: My debate is not whether IFS & Solid axle is better for off-roading. I don't even want to get into that. My concern is from a cost of repairs perspective if you break the front CV joints, lower arm etc. In the last OTR at Anekal, I broke my second leaf spring in the front. I drove back to bangalore to papaboosts shop and pulled out the second leafspring from one of the Army MM550s lying in yard and swapped mine out. This was done on Sunday night and I drove back to Chennai Monday morning. If I had broken some major part of the Thar front suspension/drive train. I would have to leave the Thar CRDe at the dealer utill he can source the parts. What do you think will be the cost? Leave aside the capability. I do agree with you that IFS should suffice for most Indian OTR from a capability standpoint but think about the cost of repairs/fixes if you break stuff... BTW TLC moved to front IFS for civilian version. But they maintained a solid axle version for heavy duty applications (Defence/UN/etc) A few civilian markets were lucky to get this fantastic LC 105. See attached picture of a TLC 105 Series. The trend of all these vehicles have been to move towards an IFS set up because mostly they are becoming mall cruisers. The Defender & Wrangler are the last true 4x4s money can buy. Yes, they are not perfect on road, but off-road they are fantastic. P.S. The photo of the TLC 105 series is from the ih8mud forum which is a great site for TLC owners. Last edited by 4x4addict : 3rd January 2011 at 18:17. | |||
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BHPian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: New Delhi
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| ![]() I can read all the above discussion. Lets put it this way. Is THAR worth the price. Its a true off-roader, it can do all, its an OTR guys dream come true ![]() BUT Any OTR guy already has his old or neo old 4*4 machine, maybe its a Ford / willys / M&M. Do these guys consider the option of replacing their able machines with the highly priced THAR. Add to that , expensive maintenance bills of THAR against bills that goes for a pack of groundnuts for their existing 4*4's. THAR ain't THA(ere) yet. |
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| ![]() we all are going back in circles, maybe doing doughnuts too! well IFS set is for better on road manners and handling (going to the mall), we ALL know that! rigid front axle is not good for on road manners, we ALL know this too! so THAR CRDe with IFS, a lifestyle vehicle, is aimed not at OTR, but at city slickers who wants a JEEP image. thats where the sales volumes will come from! when it comes to offroading, all (99.99%) current vehicles (99.99% rebuilt) on the OTR scene are rigid front axle vehicles (JEEPS, Gypsy, Gurkha etc) expect for the new generation 'SUVs' (fortuner, etc). OTR guys have proved the point that IFS is not a viable option when it comes to offroading activities as IFS has its weaknesses and is an expensive option to repair compared to the live rigid axle up in the front. we would not see most of the current owners of OTR vehicles selling their prized builds and go for CRDe! so its all settled, and we can stop going in circles. Thar CRDe for the city slicker and Thar DI for those who want live front rigid axle. PS: 0.09% can wait for Jimny (PS, AC, HT) in 2011-12. Last edited by Parm : 4th January 2011 at 00:31. |
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![]() | ![]() Dream on about the Jimny happening soon. Anyways, The reason the 99.9 persent of Off roaders have something with a solid axle is because there have been no choices in india otherwise. |
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BHPian ![]() | ![]() we would not see most of the current owners of OTR vehicles selling their prized builds and go for CRDe! - PARM Contrary to what PARM Sir said, there are a lot of MM540's and 550's, CJ's for sale in the teambhp classifieds. i have seen some members like sreejesh, tejas doc who had already sold their old jeeps in favour of the new thar. i am also one person waiting to take delivery of the thar mdi (if luck prevails, a thar crde...but vitamin M in defecit). all of us are waiting for a full road test of both thar models, plus the company assurance for fitting HT's, A/C's etc.,. GTO, DB, Vinod, Spike Sir's, we are waiting for your proaction in this aspect, very soon. its this one most wanted road test making us all wait and watch, post all our opinions in thar threads - dreaming daily. BTW, noone in my city(pondicherry) dealerships knows about the launch of the thar dates. DB Sir, pls announce the launch dates here soon, Thanks. Lastly, if there was an exchange offer for our old jeeps replacing the new thar models, in M&M dealerships (of course, with a decent price quotes), THAR will become selling like hot cakes, for 2011. DB Sir, any idea for this ? Last edited by shekaran : 4th January 2011 at 09:42. Reason: spelling mistakes |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() You know what's the favourite hang out place for all rigid axled Jeep owners ? Their mechanic ! Whenever I drive into the area where Jeeps are being rebuilt its like one big happy reunion. They are all there and their Jeeps are being rebuilt ALL THE TIME ! They are also forever buying spares for their Jeeps. Some people actually have three or four Jeeps in parts in their basements just so that when they need that part for the one onroad they have it ! What do you say to that ??? These guys buy old Jeeps for a 1 lac and end up spending 10 lakhs on spares and trips to the mechanic during the life of the Jeep. So what reliability or unbreakablility are you guys talking about on solid axle Jeeps? Sorry guys I think we are simply holding onto our positions without being honest. Sharath has spent more time money and energy fixing that Jeep of his than he could possibly have ever dreamt. Jaggu is busy tinkering with his Jeep. Arka travels with his mechanic. I spent three months fiddling with mine to get it right. So did GTO and Gogi and...well the list is endless isn't it? And it doesn't stop. Now I need to head back in to have things tightened up and the silencer seems to have a rattle from the inside. I don't mind heading back and you know why? Coz I know I will meet all the other Jeepers there ![]() ![]() How many Scorpio or Bolero owners look forward to reunions at the local MASS? NONE !!! Says it all doesn't it? A new car is a new car is a new car is a..... Last edited by DKG : 4th January 2011 at 09:48. |
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A few feasibility studies are being worked upon for possible mods to Thar. I should know within a month if i go ahead with it or not. Let's leave it at that. EDIT: DKG, that's because the Scorpio and Bolero owners don't abuse their vehicles like we do. If they did, they set up camp at MASS. Just a statement here... Not pro or against Thar yet! Last edited by Tejas@perioimpl : 4th January 2011 at 09:45. Reason: see edit | |
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The Gurkha has IFS instead of Solid Axle. Recently one of them in Mumbai, busted the CV Joint/Axle with Diff-Locks activated. Guru & Allan can tell us under what situation this happened. Regards, Arka | |
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Remember if you don't bend components a wheel alignment at best costs Rs 250 ! And you guys make it sound like all of us are only straddling large boulders all the time to worry about CV joints failing. How many of us are doing that? In Aavalakonda all the Jeepers refused to go down a jagged rock trail because they felt it would be too harsh on their vehicles. So there you have it. Offroading is not about you meet a boulder you have to go over it ! You will encounter nasty stuff 10% of the time. And when you do subject your vehicle to such abuse and some wear and tear happens so what? That's the price of the sport. If you are worried about maintenance DON"T OFFROAD !!! You abuse any vehicle you will have wear and tear. If IFS is built robust no reason why it will break. By the way if anyone thinks you can't break a solid axled Jeep I'd be happy to split their diff in two or shear the damn thing off the frame in 20 minutes by driving like a moron(its another matter that I can never abuse a vehicle like that). IFS or no IFS you need to handle your offroader with gentleness and finesse. You rough it up, the most tough vehicle in the world will crumble Ask any Ford or Willys MB owner why they don't offroad. They are all scared **** that their prized possesions will get buggered up. THEY ARE RIGHT ! Their prized possessions will get buggered up, Solid axle or no axle, when you offroad regularly Last edited by DKG : 4th January 2011 at 10:09. | |
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