Team-BHP - ICE upgrade : Maruti Swift

Hey all

I understand that AMPS are necessary to 'fully' utilize a pair of speakers. However i was wondering what would be a good indicator of a speaker system being versatile enuff to perform adequately enough without an AMP.

1. Sensitivity? ..... considering it wud need more power to derive 92db as compared to 91 DB?. But then would that also not mean that its just the ability of the the speaker or just the SPL power (excuse the terminology)

2 Also though being rated lower in terms of RMS JBL CS2165 is more expensive than GTO 637.

It is it becoz of its higher Impedance?

3 Also how does wider frequency translate into sound quality - Is it the ability to pick not miss very low or very high frequency sounds!

Have been reading a lot ..so have a few queries..i hope i dun sound too novice

Thanks!

Gurus,

Below is my requirement. I don't listen to boom boom music. All I need is a decent ICE with nice clarity. My budget is around 15-18K.
Last weekend I approached 2 shops in B'lore.
Sprocket and Audio fusion
Sprocket
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The guy out there said they deal with only Panasonic and Sony head units.
He told me not to go for a component speaker if I don't want to install amp. He emphasised that "whatever others say, at Sprocket we don't recommend that!"
He suggested a config for 17K.
Panasonic 3330 (HU) - 8K
JBL GTO637 - 4K
Socket/Wires/Fitting charges - The rest.
Auto Fusion
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Touqueer insisted that I go for component even without Amp.
He suggested me to go for Pioneer 6850. He said he would offer it for 10.5K without B&W inlcuding 1 yr warranty from Auto fusion (Original cost is around 15.5K)
He also adviced me to have 6X9 oval installed at the rear on the tray. He says, the provision given in the doors won't be good enough.
My friend
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A fried of mine suggested Blaupunkt (Mumbai or Bahamas). But Touqueer was of the opinion that we dont recommend blaupunkt for the money we pay!
I would like to take a final call in one or two days. I would like to keep it simple and within the budget.
Pleaseeeeee help me!
PS : Can I use mike with any of these head units?
Regards,
Melody

Thouqueer's setup looks good.

Go for component speakers! You may feel like adding an amp later, and then you shouldn't regret having bought co-axials. Comps work pretty fine when powered off just the HU (I have listened to quite a few such setups). They get really good when you power them off an amp.

The Pio 6850 is a good HU. It is better than the Blau Mumbai (about 7.5K), and is better than the Bahamas for the price he's quoted.

If you are not going in for a sub now or later, you will need 6x9s. And you can't get 6x9s in the rear door without mangling them (dont!). So the rear tray will be required. Have you decided on the speakers you'll be fitting front & back?

I haven't listened to Panasonic HUs so I don't know how good they are. I haven't heard anything bad about them yet :-) Sony makes good HUs, but apparently after a while some Sony HUs have a problem reading some CDs.

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Originally Posted by Melody (Post 340913)

PS : Can I use mike with any of these head units?

:Shockked: That's a new one. I don't think you can directly plug a mike into any HU, but maybe a custom adapter can be made to have a mike (the kind that are powered with AA or AAA batteries) give input through the aux-in of the HU.

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Originally Posted by Elito11 (Post 340907)

I understand that AMPS are necessary to 'fully' utilize a pair of speakers. However i was wondering what would be a good indicator of a speaker system being versatile enuff to perform adequately enough without an AMP.

Well, it is more like this: if you can amp a speaker, amping it gives better output. Speakers that have low RMS ratings are risky to amp, unless you set the gains real low. And in any case amping such speakers won't give thaaaat good results as they generally can't handle much bass without straining the cone. I think amping speakers with an RMS (Continuous) rating of less than say, 30-35W RMS would not at all be worth the expense of amping them. This is not a hard and fast rule, but would hold good most of the time.

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1. Sensitivity? ..... considering it wud need more power to derive 92db as compared to 91 DB?. But then would that also not mean that its just the ability of the the speaker or just the SPL power (excuse the terminology)

The more sensitive a speaker is, the lesser power it needs to get loud. A 91dB sensitive speaker will be less loud (and responsive) than a 93dB speaker when both are given the same power. So, the more sensitive a speaker is, the lesser the need to amp it (for volume alone).

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2 Also though being rated lower in terms of RMS JBL CS2165 is more expensive than GTO 637.
It is it becoz of its higher Impedance?

I think you're confusing the price of the JBL CS2165c which is a component speaker (about Rs.5K), with the price of the JBL GTO637 (about Rs.4K), which is a co-axial speaker. The CS2165 (6.5" co-axial) is lesser in price than the GTO637 (6.5" co-axial).

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3 Also how does wider frequency translate into sound quality - Is it the ability to pick not miss very low or very high frequency sounds!

More or less. The wider the frequency range, the more sounds/frequencies a speaker can reproduce (and not miss out, as you put it). Wider than 20HZ to 20000HZ is just marketing hype anyway, as human hearing is limited to this range.

I guess my knowledge on the tech/mech side is a little shallow too :-) The gurus here will have more detailed info.

Hi Guys, I just booked a red swift Vxi. Will be taking delivery probably on 02nd of Jan. I am now on a look out for a decent ICE setup for 20K. I do like to have bass. I did read the sticky's on the setup suggestions.
1) HU ( Pioneer 6850 or ???)
2) Component speaker at the front. (Model and Price : TBD)
3) Co-Axials in the rear door. (Model and Price : TBD)
4) 4- channel Amp or 2 channel amp or Mono amp. Unable to decide.
5) Sub in the trunk.
Planning to go for the JBL for 2 and 3 above. I am unable to decide for 4 and 5.

I am based in Bangalore and from the reading I have done here at Team-BHP, I need to visit Auto Fusion for ICE setup.

Am I better off buying the individual components myself and then getting it installed or should I rather buy it directly at the place of installation.

hey aeroman,

lets see getting all that stuff within 20K will be tight in the budget.

1. HU pio 6850 is the best buy.
2. Compos JBL GTO607 is recommended you should also try and hear other brands like hertz and decide upon your taste.
3. Coaxials you have 2 choices
a) if your going for a sub then go for GTO637 in the rear doors. power these coaxials from the HU.
b) if you dont go for the sub then go for JBL GTO937 coaxial 6X9 ovals in the boot on an mdf tray.
4. Since your budget is tight you can go for a 4channel amp JBL cs60.4 is preferred.
5. for the sub, it depends on the type of bass you want you can opt for the JBL 12" basstube or 12" enclosed box.

Now the connections If you go for option 3a i.e. sub and 6" coax in the door then power the sub by 2 channels of the amp and the other 2 channels should power the front compos. the rear door 6" have to be powered by the HU.

For option 3b you can connect all 4 channels of the amp to the 4 speakers.
For budget purposes you can also consider a pioneer amp and sub combination.

vid6639 i dont think all this can be fitted into 20K budget 30K is more or like enough. 20K with HU + Compos + Speakers + Installation + Wires is pretty much good. But sub and Amp i dont think fits the budget...

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Originally Posted by vid6639 (Post 341295)