[MillionSwords]

Yeah - search our forum, find pune members - ask for a Audition! They will be happy to help!

Wonder if our forum should have a member-Search in addition to search for members from a certain Location.

"Location-Wise Member Search", is the need of the hour - Mods - look into this!

[tush]

Originally Posted by navin

If you dont want ti bright I would look at Infinity. I have not heard Hertz but of that list Polk must be the brightest and Infinity the least bright. The rest fall somewhere in between.

hey navin bhai glad to see ur reply. I guess when u say bright it means more of High Frequency(treble), but i am looking for something balanced but dont mind a little brightness though.
I got a chance to audition infinity 9" coaxial however i am willing to fit only 6". They had lots of clarity and less of bass and JBL its vice versa.

Originally Posted by MillionSwords

Your choice of Blau now seems to have been only for the price + Bill &W factor! Did you listent o them? and listen to other Brands to compare?

hey millionswords u are right. Yes i did had a chance to listen to the Infinity and JBL coaxials but 9", but i am looking for door options only.
Yes i will definitely keep your suggestion in mind.

Originally Posted by Bass&Trouble

A lot of our fellow members from Pune have great stuff in their cars. I'm sure many would volunteer to give you a demo (and volunteer for a few beers thereafter).

hey B&T sure Technocrat has already offered me that and shall meet him soon once i gain some more information. Guys anyone from Pune plz let me know if you are willing to volunteer for the demo then do PM me. I will do use the search option though.

Does anyone has any idea about Kicker. The ICE shop person said for my taste of music Kicker is suitable. Friends do give me suggestions about the same.

[moralfibre]

Hey Tush, I believe you are Shrivz's buddy, aren't you? If you want a demo of Illusion EL6.1 in a Swift you can get in touch with kumar_ranjan. He has a mind blowing setup.

[navin]

Originally Posted by tush

hey navin bhai glad to see ur reply. I guess when u say bright it means more of High Frequency(treble), but i am looking for something balanced but dont mind a little brightness though.
I got a chance to audition infinity 9" coaxial however i am willing to fit only 6". They had lots of clarity and less of bass and JBL its vice versa.

Now I am confused. Did you mean to say that the Infinity 6x9" coax was brighter then the JBL or vice versa?

[shrivz]

Originally Posted by moralfibre

Hey Tush, I believe you are Shrivz's buddy, aren't you? If you want a demo of Illusion EL6.1 in a Swift you can get in touch with kumar_ranjan. He has a mind blowing setup.

MF.. the guy i know is tushar.sethi not tush.. I guess you're confused!

Tush, you can drop by for an audition anytime. I stay in Koregaon Park, PM me. You can bring whichever cds you listen to, not a problem.

Originally Posted by tush

My Current Findings -

Blaupunkt HU - St Louis MP56
F.Speakers -Components - Blau. THc 662
R.Speakes- Coaxial - Blau. GTx 663
Total Cost Including installation - 24140/- with b&w.

I like the St Louis, it sounds really nice.
I havent heard the blaupunkt components, so really cant comment on them.
you would really want to consider Illusion Audio Electras. I havent heard a better sounding speaker at that price!

Originally Posted by tush

The ICE shop said that Kicker would be best for my sound taste and said Polk is better then Infinity and is also marine proof.

Does anyone has any idea about Kicker. The ICE shop person said for my taste of music Kicker is suitable. Friends do give me suggestions about the same.

I have a feeling that the ICE shop you're referring to is Bafna Auto!
Try and make him give you an audition, but personally I dont like kicker!

[vikram18]

If you mainly listen to rock, I'd suggest you audition Hertz, Illusion and Infinity, in no particular order of preference. JBL will tend to be brighter and, as I've said elsewhere, for Polk, you'll need shades. They're just too bright for my taste.

I haven't heard GZ or Pio components (of late), so won't comment on those.

What I've noticed is that Hip-hop songs, if well recorded, put out considerable bass and unless your setup is real high-quality SPL, they'll rattle your door panels.

Secondly try and audition combinations that you are likely to put in your car; lower or higher end setups will only confuse you more.

Trust your own ears rather than the shopkeeper's recommendations. They are businessmen, not audiophiles and I seriously doubt whether any of them has ever even heard a well tuned setup, leave alone compared it to others. Their recommendations will almost always be based on profit margins

From personal experience and choice, there are better speakers than Kicker available for the same if not lesser outlay.

The Pune boys are a great bunch and will happily let you listen to any of their setups (provided there is a good watering hole nearby).

Amongst other dealers, go to Poona Motors as well, give him my reference and if not good advice, you'll certainly get the best prices as well as good installation.

Feel free to PM for anything else.

[vikram18]

Sorry. Read the entire thread right now, else I'd have posted this in my previous reply.
If I were in your place (considering this will mainly be a self-driven car), I'd buy the HU, front components, and a good 4-channel amplifier right now and add the rears and the subwoofer later. If you can manage the sub with the front components and the amp, nothing like it!

Basically, if you buy good components upfront, they'll sound a LOT sweeter with a nice amp. I for one, would spend money doing that.
Cheers.

[tush]

Originally Posted by navin

Now I am confused. Did you mean to say that the Infinity 6x9" coax was brighter then the JBL or vice versa?

Infinity had more clarity could be because high frequencies were more as compared to JBL and bass wass less again as compared to JBL. The HU used was an old pioneer probably a 7 series. Navin bhai i am a novice so i could be wrong but this is what my ears felt.

Originally Posted by shrivz

Tush, you can drop by for an audition anytime. I stay in Koregaon Park, PM me. You can bring whichever cds you listen to, not a problem.

I like the St Louis, it sounds really nice.
I havent heard the blaupunkt components, so really cant comment on them.
you would really want to consider Illusion Audio Electras. I havent heard a better sounding speaker at that price!

Hey shrivz thnx i will definetly PM u for audition. Illusion Electras i enquired in couple of shops and they say its not available in Pune but in Mumbai. But agains thats something later first i need to hunt for which ones would be best for my setup.

Originally Posted by vikram18

If I were in your place (considering this will mainly be a self-driven car), I'd buy the HU, front components, and a good 4-channel amplifier right now and add the rears and the subwoofer later. If you can manage the sub with the front components and the amp, nothing like it!

Basically, if you buy good components upfront, they'll sound a LOT sweeter with a nice amp. I for one, would spend money doing that.
Cheers.

Vikram18 thnx for your frank suggestion i will definetly keep this in mind before finalizing the iceing.

[bharatbs]

Hi All,

I have a swift and I am currently looking for ICE. I have bought the pioneer 5050 for Rs 6400 (Mishrimal, National Market, Bangalore) headunit and I am now looking for speakers.

My requirements:
- I need good sound quality in the front.
- I need good base as I listen to rock/metal but I dont want to go for a subwoofer.

I have thought of the below five options in order of priority:

1) Rear Polk DB691 6x9 and front Boston Acoustics component S60
2) Rear Polk Momo MMC690 6x9 Speakers with JBL GTO 2 channel amplifier.
3) Rear Infinity Reference 9623i 6x9 and front Boston Acoustics component SX60
4) Rear Infinity Reference 9623i 6x9 and front Infinity Reference 6020CS component
5) Rear JBL 937 6x9 and front JBL 607C

As you can see I am pretty much confused, please let me know which is a better option?

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by bharatbs

I have thought of the below five options in order of priority:

1) Rear Polk DB691 6x9 and front Boston Acoustics component S60
2) Rear Polk Momo MMC690 6x9 Speakers with JBL GTO 2 channel amplifier.
3) Rear Infinity Reference 9623i 6x9 and front Boston Acoustics component SX60
4) Rear Infinity Reference 9623i 6x9 and front Infinity Reference 6020CS component
5) Rear JBL 937 6x9 and front JBL 607C

Odd one in the list with an amp!

Have you made the list after listening to the speakers? If you have put up what has been suggested by a dealer, it would be better if you listen to them before comparing prices, specs etc.

* The JBL set is likely to be the most economical, followed by the Infinity set
* Polks and BA - though good - are not VFM at the price they sell

And with what criteria did you set the order of priority?

[rocksterraghu]

Infinitys, JBLs and Polks suit different tastes, based on liking, type of music etc.

I'm sure you'll have more clarity on what choice you need to make once you audition them.

[tush]

Guys if we check the specifications of the below component speakers then which ones best if i need to choose in an ascending order. This will help me narrow down my choice. I need your help as i do not understand some electronic rating stuff.


Illusion Electra Component EL 6.1
---------------------------------

Power handling - RMS/peak - 75/185 W
Sensitivity - 91 dB
Woofer impedence - 4 ohms
Frequency response - 60 - 22000Hz
Fs / Qts / Vas - 54 Hz/0.58/0.56 cu ft
Woofer size - 6.5" (16 cm)
Mounting depth - 2.63" (66.8 mm)
Tweeter - 1" Aluminium dome


Blaupunkt THc - 662
--------------------

2-way Component loud speaker system
Max. Power - 240 Watts
RMS Power - 60 Watts
Impedance - 4 Ohm
Frequency range - 50 - 22,000 Hz
Sensitivity - (2.83 V/m) 92 dB
Membrane material woofer Injected Polypropylene (IPP)
Membrane material tweeter Mylar-calotte (PEI)
Mounting depth woofer 46,0 mm
Mounting depth tweeter 20,0 mm
Mounting outcut size woofer - 143,0 mm
Mounting outcut size tweeter - 46,0 mm
Hole circle woofer - 155,0 mm


JBL GTO - 607c
----------------

Size: 160mm (6,5")
Max Power Handling: 210W
RMS Power Handling: 70W
Impedance: 2 ohms
Sensitivity 2,83V @1m: 92dB
Frequency
Response: 55Hz - 21kHz


Polk Component DB 650
-----------------------

Mid/Woofer 1 - 6-1/2" Diameter (16.51cm) Polymer/Mica Composite cone with rubber surround
Tweeter 1 - 3/4" Diameter (1.91cm) Silk/Polymer composite dome
Overall Frequency Response - 40Hz-22KHz
Nominal Impedance - 4 ohms
Power Handling (continuous) - 60 w
Power Handling (peak) - 180 w
Efficiency - 92 dB


Infinity Components - 6010cs (i didnt find for 6020cs on the website)
-----------------------------

Power Handling, RMS: 90 Watts
Power Handling, Peak: 270 Watts
Sensitivity: 92dB
Frequency Response: 53Hz - 21kHz
Mounting Depth: mid/woofer 2-1/16"
Impedance: 4 Ohms


Kicker Components DS600.2
----------------------------------

Woofer Size, in (mm) - 6 (160)
Tweeter Size, in (mm) - 3/4 (20)
Dome Material - Titanium
Rated Impedance, ohm (DC Resistance, ohm) - 4 (3)
Power Handling Watts, Peak (RMS) - 120 (60)
Sensitivity [SPLo], dB @ 1W, 1m - 90
Effective Frequency Range, Hz - 35-21k
Woofer Mounting Hole Diameter, in (cm) - 4 13/16 (12.3)
Woofer Top Mount Depth, in (cm) - 1 7/8 (4.8)
Woofer Bottom Mount Depth, in (cm) - 2 3/16 (5.5)
Flush Mounting Tweeter Hole Diameter, in (cm) - 1 9/16 (4)
High Pass, dB, at Frequency, Hz - 12, 4000
Low Pass, dB, at Frequency, Hz - 12, 4000
High Frequency Output Attenuation, dB - 0, 3 & 6
Bolt-Thru Grilles - Yes


help me friends as these things are really bothering me cos i want the best in my budget.

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by tush

Guys if we check the specifications of the below component speakers then which ones best if i need to choose in an ascending order. This will help me narrow down my choice. I need your help as i do not understand some electronic rating stuff. ...

Wrong logic, @tush! "Best within budget" is a dangerous quest - "One man's meat is another man's poison". Technical data is only half the story at best, "black magic" being a more appropriate description of the other half. You have to allow your own ears - and what's in between - to decide which is "best" for you.

Since rating them by specs is hazardous, one can only put subjective points against each one of them:

• Illusion Electra Component EL 6.1: VFM, neither bright nor laid back. My rating: 7
• Blaupunkt THc - 662: -ditto-. My rating: 7
• JBL GTO - 607c: Most VFM, though considered bright by most. My rating: 7
• Polk Component DB 650: Not VFM, brightest of the lot. My rating: 6
• Infinity Components - 6010cs (i didnt find for 6020cs on the website): VFM - but costlier than JBL, Blau and Illusion, laid back (The 6020 is the latest, the website is out of date and indicates the old model). My rating: 8
• Kicker Components DS600.2: Not VFM, less brighter than Polk but brighter than the rest. My rating: 6

* VFM or not is based on the prices given by dealers, and is a loose price/performance indicator. So, it can also be that if you manage to get Polk at half the going rate, it is more VFM than buying Infinity at list price
* Sound characteristics are different for each of the brands / models you have listed. Look at it this way: if you eat dosa / idli with sambar at different Udupi joints, you are likely to detect individual differences in nuances of taste between the joints. There is no scientific way of describing the same, and "frequency response" in tech specs cannot tell the story at all
* All the above will make no sense unless you make an attempt at auditioning them in a car with music you are familiar with - your own collection

Hook up with the Pune TBHPians - they are always willing to share experiences, auditions and beer. You will come away wiser!

[bharatbs]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

Odd one in the list with an amp!

Have you made the list after listening to the speakers? If you have put up what has been suggested by a dealer, it would be better if you listen to them before comparing prices, specs etc.

* The JBL set is likely to be the most economical, followed by the Infinity set
* Polks and BA - though good - are not VFM at the price they sell

And with what criteria did you set the order of priority?

Thanks for you comments,

My options have been listed based on a combination of price, actual hearing and internet reveiws.

I have auditioned only the JBL 937 and Polk DB690.

You are right the JBL GTO is value for money but I felt the Polk was much better in terms of clarity of music. In other words Polk sounded much more nice.

Another point is that I am getting Polks at half the prices.

What I have now:
- Head unit: P5050UB
- Components: Polk DB6901

I have to know pick up coaxials for the rear as I will not be going for Bass speakers.

1) I have decided on Polk DB691, please let me know if this is a good choice?

2) I also want to know if is should go for JBL GTO 4 channel amp? (I want quality music not loud glaring music)

Thanks Again,
Bharat

[bharatbs]

Originally Posted by rocksterraghu

Infinitys, JBLs and Polks suit different tastes, based on liking, type of music etc.

I'm sure you'll have more clarity on what choice you need to make once you audition them.

Getting the auditions here in Bangalore is a big problem.


There are three ways you can audition speakers:

a) Go to a vendor who has the speakers on demo. (Not many places, I could demo only the JBL and Polk)

b) Check out your friends car who has the speakers you are lloking for (Again limited)

c) Go to a installer and make him demo various speakers on your car and the finally pick up one combination.

In Bangalore there a couple of good installers, however the speakers available at their places are at higher prices. Hence you do not have the option of going to your installer and trying out the various speakers.

I hope you get what I am trying to say.