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Originally Posted by Bass&Trouble So, shouldn't it be thrilling for you to have a 300 W subwoofer with the same sound quality, running on a 550-600W amplifier? |
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Originally Posted by hydrashok But I will agree with what you said. Yes, powering a 1000w sub with a 1000w amp will definitely give better performance figures than powering a 1000w sub with a 300w amp, or a 600w amp. I did not say this was no so. |
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Originally Posted by low_bass_makker If tuned properly we do not need even 300-500 watts power for the sub, People putting heavy amps are due to the reason of headroom and THD levels of the amp so the setup plays clean.. |
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Originally Posted by navpreet318 So any 1000W amp is better than any 300W amp? |
I have said this before and at the risk of repeating myself I wold advise all of you to study in detail the physics of a loudspeaker more specifically a subwoofer.
In almost all cases I can remember (I have not tested today's big Xmax woofers like the Brahma, Shiva, Vishnu, Hailstorm, Male-storm (pun intended), etc...) every woofer I have tested has reached it's physical limits at much lower wattages (and SPL levels) than their thermal ratings imply.
How?
Well lets put it this way...
How loud a woofer will play (assuming the woofer is in an ideal enviroment wrt box and room) depends on
a) How efficient/sensitive it is
b) How much power it can handle
c) What frequency it is reproducing
A woofer (one that is say 90db/1W/1db) that can produce 120db at 150Hz with 1000W or power might only produce 100db at 50Hz (hence hitting it's limits at 10W) and 90db at 20Hz (yes at just
1W!). While this is an extreme case (Scan Speak 18W 8546 tested in 15 liters sealed - from recollection) as the woofer tested was not really a subwoofer it is used to illustrate what I am trying to say dramatically.
At 20Hz what becomes more important is
a) the room/cabin (absorbtion, difraction, etc..)
b) the location of the woofer in the room
c) the tuning of the woofer in it's box
When a woofer (which is usually a very reactive load) is forced to move a lot it generates a lot of back emf. To control the woofer's movement under such circumstances amplifiers with higher damping factors are preferred. Damping factors of 100 are not uncommon and good amps will have damping factors as high 500.
I would go as far to say that given a woofer that has a particularly large Xmax (hence probably also a high Mms - to keep Vas, Fs and Qts reasoanable) a 100W amp with a damping factor of 500 might prove more efficient than a 1000W amp with a damping factor of 50.
Many of you may have noticed that your dad's or grandad's old valve stereo amp (with a damping factor of aroud 30) did quite well with his old (low Xmax) speakers and produced listenable music. This is becasue the speaker and amp were well matched. Take that old amp and mate it to a Maelstorm and it will sound tubby and dead.
Now I dont want to start a debate between the Steg and TRU/Audison camps as to which amp is better; the cases I have illustrated are only to hypothetical examples so that everyone realises that
Watts are
not holy grail for LF performance.
For more read this.
http://www.loudspeakers.net/files/technote/dampfact.pdf