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13th October 2017, 02:30 | #31 | |
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Excellent piece that'll give you an idea of just how versatile this platform is. http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...e-p-8-poseidon To answer your question, the USN at least plans on having the Poseidon capable of packing a punch of its own. I for one would be interested to see if the IN pays attention to how the USN integrates their Poseidon's into their carrier battle groups. It might be an intriguing force multiplier for India. | |
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| Re: The Indian Navy - Combat Fleet Mr V.Nayayan, I have been a silent follower of your threads right from the time I started following your XC60 ownership thread. I just had to comment on this gem of a thread through. I for one, had this very wrong notion that in the age of the ICBM and stealth bombers, these floating behemoths of the sea were becoming irrelevant in advanced warfare. But some of the things you've brought out, such as the nugget below have made me realise how naive my thinking in this area is! Quote:
Given the fact that we are looking at a world without fossil fuel in the next few decades, is it your opinion that we will soon move to 100% nuclear power in the seas? Or are there other technologies that are looking promising? Conventional alternative energy options (electric/solar/wind/hybrid) seem impractical for these requirements. | |
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13th October 2017, 14:56 | #33 |
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| Re: The Indian Navy - Combat Fleet What can I say! words fail me. As a military enthusiast, I would say this is one of the, if not THE best thread to date on this forum. I doff my hat to you Sir! |
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14th October 2017, 12:01 | #35 |
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You said it. You have a rich knowledge of history so you probably know about how the british commandos raided the dry dock at St. Nazaire to keep the Tirpitz away from the convoys in the Atlantic. I think it's one of the most daring naval wartime feats every undertaken, and could have come straight out of a Hollywood script. Jeremy Clarkson did a very nice documentary about it (among a few other military topics) that is a very enjoyable watch, it's available on youtube. |
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14th October 2017, 17:00 | #36 | |
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In the two instances since WW2 where a sub sank a ship, the Indian Khukri and the Argentinean General Belgrano, both were done at relatively short ranges. In both cases even though the sub was only a few thousand metres away the ships sonar could not pick it up due to the unpredictable way sound transmits in water. So net net a submarine can hide from a ship but a ship cannot hide from a submarine. While a sub can hear the ship it does not know if the ships ASW helicopter is listening for the sub! On the other hand a ships endurance and speed cannot be matched by a diesel-electric submarine. A ship especially a large one can survive a single torpedo hit. But a sub cannot risk even a near explosion as it only needs a hairline crack in the pressure hull to cause it to implode in seconds or minutes. So it is 6 of one and half a dozen of another. | |
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The Navy is proud about having fought under this flag in WW2 and before that in WW1. The need for insulation from our political jingoism is highlighted best by what happened to the officers of the INA (Indian National Army) in 1947 when Nehru insisted they be re-appointed back into the Army. Carriappa point blank refused. He said, and rightly so, that once you have taken an oath to serve the Army, follow the flag and obey the civilian Govt you cannot break it (regardless of the overwhelming situation of even the country's independence) and then expect to be taken back. Nehru, a proud man, baulked at this push back. Carriappa asked him if he (Nehru) would like him (Carriappa) to not follow Nehru's orders (as a PM) just because Carriappa personally had a different political view on a major subject. Nehru understood the need here to keep political views and symbols out of the armed forces. Sardar Patel advised him likewise. PS: I am a greater admirer of Netaji than of Nehru. Another example from a different time. In 1977 when the Congress and Indira Gandhi were toppled we had a non-Congress Govt for the first time. The then PM, Morarji Desai, wanted to bring some of his favourites into the armed forces - no rum, ceremonial swords should be changed from straight to curved (Shivaji style) and some other petty tinkering. Fortunately better sense prevailed and the IAS explained to him that there are bigger issues to solve for. The armed forces are meant to serve the civilian Govt and not change tone, views, flags, names et al when the Govt changes. Our transition from the despised British rule to democracy was a relatively smooth transition administratively speaking and literally the same Govt structure and people were left unchanged and at least in 1947 only the top leaders changed. On 14.8.47 they served a Govt with Mountbatten as head and on 16.8.47 they served the same Govt with C.Rajagopalachari as head. Our political leadership changed the Govt structure did not. To leave the armed forces untouched from politics, political symbols, nationalistic names was a conscious policy. Our armed forces have enough national pride and things to be proud of. They don't need to change flags to prove anything to anyone. Sorry for this long post. Just my view. We can celebrate our differences and still enjoy our aircraft scale models. :-) Quote:
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| Re: The Indian Navy - Combat Fleet This is an amazing amount of information on the Indian Navy. More than my Ex Navy dad could have provided me Thank you for taking time out for compiling it in this beautiful post. There a certain allure and nostalgia associated with living in Navy environment, even as family members. I miss those days. I have been to Navy ships a couple of times. Man, they do live tough lives. Imagine performing anything when the ground beneath you isn't steady Add to it, being away from family when they are on sailing for months. The time they spend on keeping their uniforms spic and span. Their well kept bases. Everything looks neat and tidy. Just where it should be. |
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| Re: The Indian Navy - Combat Fleet What a blockbuster of a thread indeed!!! Studded with abundance of information, this is easily the one stop destination for all info that is available on open source about the Navy. Rated the well deserved five stars. A few inputs from my end: - 1. INS Vikrant is well into its paces of construction and in few years time, will start its sea trials. Though an aircraft carrier is the element of show stopping and pomp, I feel that the credibility of a force is more anchored on a formidable submarine fleet (Unless you have an extravagant carrier battle group like the US). This is because a carrier ensures "Sea Control" while a submarine ensures "Sea Denial". And as on date, for all navies in the world except the US, Sea Denial is more viable and economical. Sustaining a full fledged Carrier Battle Group entails humongous amount of resources including logistics, planning and warships. It also has an attack nuclear submarine on its front flank to thwart any untoward attack towards a carrier. A carrier needs to be well protected since it is a Pivot point in any strategy and it certainly is the most valued asset in the Fleet. A submarine on the other hand enjoys tremendous freedom due to its stealth and discreet features, despite its slow speeds. 2. INS Kamorta class of ships, though commissioned as Corvettes, is more than just that. It may soon have the capability of missiles and it will transform from just an ASW platform to something short of a frigate. |
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| Re: The Indian Navy - Combat Fleet What an amazingly informative thread, marked it 5 star. Thank you V.Narayan for posting this thread |
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| Re: The Indian Navy - Combat Fleet India, France security accord has China in mind - open naval bases to each other - a historic first ever for India https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/63245306.cms Quote:
As a nation India is not sea minded like say the British or Japanese. We like the Russian are land force oriented. The sea allows you to exercise power projection and graded response that a land or air arm cannot. China's moves into the Indian Ocean region are far more serious than our media understands. Fortunately the current administration realizes what these Chinese bases close to home could imply for us. Last edited by V.Narayan : 11th March 2018 at 08:41. | |
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On the note of the Rafale, news of negotiations for another 36 jets make me wonder if France will eventually try and get the final number through a number of tranched sales instead of the original bulk buy of MMRCA. On another forum a number of us were discussing how India probably has a lot to gain by aligning with France and to some extent Japan in terms of defence supply. Both are nations with advanced domestic defence industries that would benefit massively from steady sales to the vast Indian market. France in particular has long had a fairly individual geopolitical stance that would be unlikely to tangle with India's own plans (look at the manner in which France sold the orphaned Russian Mistrals to Egypt instead), and France has proven to be reliable for India. I think between France, Israel and Japan, India's defence needs can be ably met without compromising India's own geopolitical aspirations. That being said, I think India will most likely wait on the first batch of Rafale to arrive before making any new moves however ill advised it is given the ticking clock. But I Have to say that India has to retract on its totally ludicrous position of holding Dassault liable for faults in any Rafale manufactured in India under license. I honestly can't see how that is fair at all, if anything it's even more discouraging for anyone hoping to enter the Indian market. | |
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| Re: The Indian Navy - Combat Fleet Some nostalgic historical photos, of the IN, for your viewing. 1. The commissioning of INS Delhi (ex HMS Achilles) on 5th July 1948 in the UK. Krishna Menon(orange), a confidante of Nehru, was the High Commissioner to the UK and he is seen here with the officers and Lord Louis Mountbatten (blue). INS Delhi was the first major warship of any consequence that joined the Indian Navy. Till then we only had mine sweepers, landing craft and sloops (a small escort ship). Her first commanding officer was Capt HNS Brown (yellow) of the Royal Navy. Her first crew had 17 Officers and Chief Petty Officers from the Royal Navy to help us learn how to operate a big ship. This is the ship with which the modern Indian Navy started its journey. 2. The big ship arrived at Bombay port on 16th September 1948 and was inspected by Pandit Nehru. Note the traditional sailor caps worn by sailors in those days. INS Delhi represented the enthusiasm of a resurgent nation. 3. Cruiser INS Mysore sailing off Andamans March 1963. After our debacle in the Indo-China war of October-November 1962 some of our neighbours got rather resurgent and noisy. Indonesia announced that the Andaman & Nicobar islands belonged to them being a part of the same geographical chain as Sumatra and Java. Their claim was of course supported by our neighbor to the West and surprisingly by Turkey. Many may not know that Turkey actively supported Pakistan with material and spares in both 1965 and 1971. In early 1963 the Indian Navy dispatched a few ships to park themselves off the Andamans, conduct naval exercises in those waters and show the flag. This photo and #5 are from that deployment. Being continental minded most of us Indians don't realize that Indonesia is a cheek and jowl neighbor. Indira Point (if you don't know where that is then look it up ) is a mere 170 kms from the northern most point of Indonesia....that's 4 hours of fast sailing or 10 minutes by a jet fighter. 4. INS Brahmaputra under final refit (prior to commissioning) at Plymouth, UK. INS Brahmaputra was the first new built modern radar equipped warship to be acquired by the Indian Navy in 1958. Till then all our acquisitions were second hand ships from the Royal Navy because that was all that our modest budgets could afford. She and her two sisters INS Betwa and INS Beas joined the fleet over 1958 to 1960. They were our first warships to be powered by diesels which gave them very long sealegs. The most popular propulsion then were geared steam turbines. 5. INS Betwa at anchor in the Andamans, 1963. Photo taken from INS Beas. 6. Transfer of a crew member by jackstay. This is a skilled operation requiring both ships to sail in exactly a straight line and at the same speed always a very tricky proposition which all of you who’ve done sailing will fully appreciate. You can request Lord Varuna but the sea does not recognize its obligation to co-operate. The gentleman being hauled across is incidentally my father. Need less to say he is on an urgent and important mission to replenish his ships stock of beer! Date: 1963. Location: Andaman Sea. The ship is a Whitby class frigate either the old INS Talwar or INS Trishul. The hull numbers were changed in later years and hence I cannot say which of the two she is. 7. A truly historical photo. Gun mounting of INS Nilgiri F33 (Leander class) being lowered down onto the hull- December 1969. INS Nilgiri was the first major warship built in India (1966-72) and this is a photo of the fitting of the first weapon on the first Indian built warship ever. The gun mounting a Vickers 4.5" Mark 6. It weighed 50 tonnes. It was the standard gun of the Royal Navy from the late 1940s to the ‘70s. It fired a ~25kgs shell out to 18 kms at 12 rounds per minute controlled by a radar director. Last edited by V.Narayan : 18th March 2018 at 15:10. |
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