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Originally Posted by pranavt Each dyno will give a different reading. Even the same dyno will give variable readings on different days. A dynorun done on a summer day will not be as good as one done on a winter day. |
Sure. But the difference won't be as wide as 50% right? Its not like a summer reading can be entirely disregarded. And for someone who is
really concerned about numerical accuracy, go and dyno it three times for 3,000 bucks at different points in a year.
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Even your OHC wouldn't have given the same readings if it was taken for a dyno test a second time after a week or so.
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For all the talks of inaccuracy, fuel efficiency & 0 - 100 times also vary according to external conditions (including road, weather, driver skill etc.). Maybe we should stop calculating all parameters of a car altogether. I think we are going completely off-track. From discussing the purpose & charges of dynos, now we're discussing the accuracy! Technically sharp guys like you may care about 0.001 of the BHP rating. I don't! To a simple guy like me, it does NOT matter. It's a free market and I'm free to use a dyno in any way that I want to. Personally, I pat KS on the back for being the first Mumbai tuner (and amongst the first in the country) to invest in a dyno, and open it up to public use.
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And showing off those numbers is akin to saying that mine is bigger than yours. If that's how you want it, your choice.
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I'd appreciate your not putting words in my mouth, and certainly NOT assuming my intentions behind using a dyno. Why does it have to get competitive? My humble Vtec with barely an exhaust & intake is hardly "tuner" material. In fact, it is NOT capable of "mine is bigger than yours" discussions at all (I'll be the first to admit). I have repeated stated that its got "minimal modifications" and was more excited about the fact that she's retained her horses at 73,000 kms. My simple Vtec is puff cake compared to the many (way better) modified cars on the forum. Now, and again, where does this "mine is bigger than yours" syndrome come in? I can use the dyno, calculate my 0 - 100 times, my fuel efficiency or any other automotive parameter
for my own personal benefit, can I not? Since you brought it up, the primary reasons behind Rehaan's
Dyno thread were:
1. Education. An overwhelming majority of this forum didn't know exactly how a dyno works (including myself). The thread talks more about how a dyno works, rather than the Vtecs rating.
2. For fun.
3. To know just the state of a Honda engine after 73,000 kms of hard-driving. The compression tests and other methods of gauging its health were already performed. I just wanted to know the BHP rating for the kick of it! Its that simple.
4. To show my support for the first dyno in Mumbai.
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If you're remapping after doing basic stuff like Intake or Exhaust, then what you say is true.
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Like it or not, that's 90% of the modified cars out there!
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For major mods like a turbocharger and especially ITBs, you require more a lot more than 3 runs to iron out all the problem areas in a fuel/ignition map, before you even get to tuning ignition timings to make more power. This is on top of the street tuning that is done for part-throttle driving and various other fuel/correction maps.
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By the time it's done, you've probably done 10-15 runs for a conservative tune.
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Major Mods = 3.0 lakh rupees? Cost of 10 runs = Rs. 10,000 (presuming discounts). You are entitled to your own views and how you want to spend your money. But personally, I don't agree with them. You spend 2 - 3 lakh rupees on major mods, and then whine about spending 10 grand on a dyno? That's like going for a bypass surgery at Asian Heart Institute and crying about shelling out for angiography!
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Hence my proposal of leasing the dyno for X minutes/hours rather than number of runs. If it's priced per number of runs, you just cannot use the dyno as a tuning tool unless you have deep pockets. And that's coming from a guy who has spent more than twice the value of the original car just on mods.
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Did you try asking KS Motorsports for the same? Or is this a presumption? Because, Vipers post clarifies that the KS dyno indeed offers custom packages for those (like yourself) looking at advanced solutions.
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Originally Posted by viper To the best of my knowledge KS offers something called a tuner special for someone who wants to tune his car on the roller. At least thats what he used to offer. IIRC he charges 10-12k for dyno tuning that was over a year ago. I'm sure his prices have reduced now going by the limited business he does on the dyno. |
Thanks for the insight, Viper.