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Old 1st March 2021, 20:18   #1
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Default Delhi: Incentives suspended on the Tata Nexon EV

Nexon EV has been de listed from the Delhi EV subsidy.
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Old 1st March 2021, 21:42   #2
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Some scam on going in Delhi with respect to Switch Delhi campaign ! Nexon suspended temporarily from incentives due to complaint from 2 customers on range , even said ARAI certification cannot be considered as a supporting document Lol, meanwhile eligibility is 140KM , but they have no idea who need to certify it !

Someone really shivering on #SwitchDelhi or someone just struck a million bucks deal with the competition !

OT : MG just got iCAT certification for MG ZS with 419km recently , yup not ARAI but iCAT !
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Old 1st March 2021, 22:03   #3
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Some scam on going in Delhi with respect to Switch Delhi campaign ! Nexon suspended temporarily from incentives due to complaint from 2 customers on range , even said ARAI certification cannot be considered as a supporting document Lol, meanwhile eligibility is 140KM , but they have no idea who need to certify it !

Someone really shivering on #SwitchDelhi or someone just stroke a million bucks deal with the competition !

OT : MG just got iCAT certification for MG ZS with 419km recently , yup not ARAI but iCAT !
Complaint from just 2 customers? 2 is very small number. How can we be sure it is not some rival brand's handiwork? ARAI certification cannot be considered? Wow! Since when? What about ICE cars' ARAI certification? Shouldn't they get in on that, too?

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Old 1st March 2021, 22:26   #4
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Those are vastly different vehicles. The Nexon is much smaller, far less luxurious and comes with just 2 airbags. It doesn’t have ESC, a park function on the automatic gearbox, cruise control, charging indicator or TPMS. The MG has much longer range, 6 airbags, ESC, cruise control and a park mode. Overall, the MG is a much better vehicle if one can afford it.
Purely from the perspective of Goa, it may not be that different. You can cover the breadth and length of Goa with Nexon range, and even a few bordering areas. Secondly, the OP was already planning to buy a Nexon. Also, MG looks very boring and dated from the sides and rear, has bad rear seat comfort, missing rear air con vents. The last is a big deal breaker considering Goa weather. So, it may not be as superior as you are considering it to be, given the situation.

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Some scam on going in Delhi with respect to Switch Delhi campaign ! Nexon suspended temporarily from incentives due to complaint from 2 customers on range , even said ARAI certification cannot be considered as a supporting document Lol, meanwhile eligibility is 140KM , but they have no idea who need to
Overzealous, semi knowledgeable, opportunistic dimwits, run most govt departments and this seems no different. If MG does not give 300kms range, will they stop their registration as well? The second person is not even a complaintant. He has vented out on some social media and they are considering it here. Holy cow!!! Are these people even for real. I have thousands of words popping out right now at this incredulous stupidity, but I can't risk my TBHP membership.
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Old 1st March 2021, 23:39   #5
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A Tata Motors spokesperson released the following statement:
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“It is unfortunate to receive this order from the Delhi Transport Commission. We will continue to engage constructively to protect the interests of our customers. The Nexon EV is the only personal segment EV available in the market today that meets the stringent FAME norms. The range at single full charge (312 km) for the Nexon EV is basis the certification received from the Automotive Research Association of India (ARAI), which is the official body that independently tests all mass produced vehicles under standard/defined test conditions before they can be offered to customers.

As with conventional vehicles (with IC engines), the actual range achieved in EVs is dependent on AC usage, individual driving style and the actual conditions in which the vehicle is driven. The range achievement is also a function of familiarity with the new technology, and customers report improvements upwards of 10% within 4-6 weeks of familiarity. We have been receiving several positive testimonials from our customers and are encouraged to see them exploring new places with Nexon EV and sharing their experiences. We are extremely confident about the value proposition of the Nexon EV, which since its launch a year ago, has consistently grown in popularity to become India’s largest selling EV with thousands of families enjoying the pleasure of owning and driving it.”
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Moving this development to a new thread.

Very sad, very sad. This is no way to treat the most affordable proper EV in the country. And if the authorities have a problem with real world vs "ideal conditions" range, they should go and blast the ARAI's stupid testing techniques . Further, why don't they take action on every car that cannot meet its ARAI numbers? Almost all petrol cars in India will be in trouble then .
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Further, why don't they take action on every car that cannot meet its ARAI numbers? Almost all petrol cars in India will be in trouble then .
The reason for this step is the government is paying out a subsidy per EV car to the manufacturer.

In the case of petrol cars the government doesn’t provide any subsidy so there is no financial loss to the government if the car does not meet the specified FE.

If the government does not take action, the officers involved could be held accountable and maybe even seen to be hand in glove for not investigating complaints that involve government payouts. That’s probably why it has been “suspended” till further checks are carried out.

If the checks confirm all is okay, the lost subsidy would be paid back / can be claimed by the manufacturer.

These are the usual bureaucratic issues when you receive money from the government in the form of subsidies in any business.

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A tale of two Nexon EVs

One is that which doesn't give even 50% the range, is glamorized (negative way), and became the cause of agony for multiple!

Another is that, which frequently is driven between Delhi-Roorkee (Around 180 kms one way) by its owner, and still is running fine after doing multiple such trips. Best thing, the owner of this second Nexon EV is a Civil Servant, native of a village near Roorkee, and currently posted in Delhi itself! In Hindi 'andar ka aadmi (an insider)'.

And Delhi government chose to listen to 2 ailing customers, but not to multiple happy ones. Absurd, isn't it. Such subsidy is a state subject, that too at the complete discretion of the executive, Tata motors can't even challenge them in the court of law ideally absolutely absurd!

The principle of "Offence must be proved beyond reasonable doubt", is followed by our courts, including the Hon'able Supreme Court even in the most heinous and rarest or rare crimes, Tata shall be given a chance of at least proving their defense. This is a knee jerk reaction IMO, and this is absolutely the way our bureaucracy is demotivating the ones moving in the right direction!

MoRTH and MoMSME Minister is talking about the localization, PM is talking about Atmanirbhar Bharat, and these people are happy with iCAT ratings of MG ZS

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That’s probably why it has been “suspended” till further checks are carried out.
Very valid point raised.

But the 'checking' mechanism also needs to be very transparent in this case, along with an equality of opportunity shall be given to the manufacturer too for proving their points.

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In my view, this decision to scrub/suspend the incentives is unwarranted and hopefully it will be overturned soon.

Interestingly I found this on twitter "I recently drove 28km in 9% in traffic with AC on, which comes to 311km for 100%.". Also, the attached trip information gives credence to the claim.

I doesn't seem the claimed range of Nexon EV is fraudulent, it is just excessively optimistic.

In the conditions where the average speed is around 40kmph and the traffic is not frequent stop/go and air conditioning is not needed, my ZS EV does up to 4.9km per percent of charge. Looking at the trip details from the twitter post it is clear that Nexon EV will either match or even surpass the claimed range in such ideal scenarios.

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Unrealistic range claims is a big problem for EV, more so than the unrealistic mileage claims of internal combustion engine vehicles. Both, manufacturers and governments have to devise realistic standards for calculating range of EVs. These unrealistic range claims will only hinder the EV adoption.

Kona claims a range of 452km and in side-by-side tests with MG ZS EV, Autocar found the range of Kona to be 250km while the ZS EV attained the range of 317km. In India Today's side-by-side test, Kona did 289km to ZS EV's 314km.

ZS EV's (2020) claimed range of 340km was the most realistic among the three common EVs. Now MG also has become wise (or unwise) and with the 2021 version they have bumped up the claim to 419km.

In my view, this range claim inflation has to stop, it is also not even good for the EV manufacturers.
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The reason for this step is the government is paying out a subsidy per EV car to the manufacturer.

These are the usual bureaucratic issues when you receive money from the government in the form of subsidies in any business.
This model is wrong- because are we saying the the govt decides the selling price of the EV? The subsidy should be given to the end-customer.
Again, the Nexon EV is not manufactured or assembled in Delhi, so it doesnt make sense from cost perspective too.
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I am surprised why we are supporting the manufacturer who has given false information about the mileage with a huge difference between claimed and actual, and selling the cars?

There is a complaint from user and government was giving subsidies till then, now they have withdrawn subsidies.

Yes, there are several Petrol cars which are not giving mileage as claimed by manufacturers. If no action has been taken against those manufacturers, does it mean, they should not catch these manufacturers as well?

The above logic is like, when I am caught by traffic police for not wearing helmet, justifying, nobody in rural areas wear helmets, why are they not catching them? So, they should not catch me also.

This is not right approach. In my opinion, Tatas now need to rectify their mistake and reapply for subsidies

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The above logic is like, when I am caught by traffic police for not wearing helmet, justifying, nobody in rural areas wear helmets, why are they not catching them? So, they should not catch me also.
The correct analogy is more like wearing an ISI rated helmet but being caught by the police since the police think ISI is not the right agency to rate helmets and Tata needs to prove wearing ISI rated helmets saves lives.
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I am surprised why we are supporting the manufacturer who has given false information about the mileage with a huge difference between claimed and actual, and selling the cars?
Range/mileage is certified by ARAI (which is an official body who independently test and certify highway vehicles)
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Someone in the transport department sure deserves a Darwin award, no contest. What are these guys smoking? Whether the vehicle is giving its stated range or not is a different matter altogether. If it isn't it, its the ARAI that has to be taken to task by the transport department, not the manufacturer.
If anything, an EV helps reduce the massive amounts of pollution on Delhi's roads. Isn't that reason enough to give an incentive?
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Classic example of Penny wise Pound foolish.
Some overzealous govt official with nothing to do wanted to please his/her overlords by saving a few bucks when crores are wasted on unnecessary things.

Irrespective of the claims by the two customers, the range is certified by a competent Govt body ARAI which certifies every car in the market. If there is any doubt, the discussion should be held with ARAI, rather than taking such harsh decisions.
This will definitely not help people who are on the fence for buying an EV.

Tata should be lauded for bringing electric mobility to the masses with a familiar model, not punished like this.
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