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Similarly, great piece of equipment in the hands of ordinary photographer cannot produce great pictures. You still need to understand lighting, composition, timing etc. Again Imagine Schumacher in a Ferrari chasing you driving the same Ferrari around an F1 track. Would the results be the same? All said and done, a P&S is more forgiving than a D/SLR camera and allows you to take decent pictures even if you do not know much about photography. Their DOF is so much more than SLR due to their sensor size, that even if you focus on wrong things, you still get acceptable focus on your subject. In some instances a layman can take better pictures with P&S than an SLR. Hence my comment that pictures with camera phone are as good as DSLR. Here is one I took with 350D@ 300 mm in macro mode. Not great but my first attempt at macro. ![]() | |
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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | ![]() Well, I pulled out my old Sony P&S camera (released in 2002) today to shoot some quick macro shots in the garden. All these are handheld, under not so ideal conditions. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The above ones are not so great, so let me show you some superb macros done by a young lady (with her permission) using her Olympus P&S. ![]() ![]() ![]() More stuff by her. Still think point and shoot cameras can't hack it? ![]() |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Samurai san.!! Why do u need a DSLR when u can click such photos with P&S..? ![]() |
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| ![]() Awesome pics there Samurai! I loved the last one in your series. I clicked a few yesterday, will try n upload them as soon as possible. [ ![]() And ye, Lakshmi's pics are outta this world. She knows her stuff! [ ![]() Last edited by Rehaan : 30th July 2007 at 10:20. |
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The minimum ISO on my DSLR is 100. The minimum focal length on my kit lens 18mm. I have some good pictures with P&S too, better than DSLR pics. Last edited by Mayavi : 30th July 2007 at 10:31. | |
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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | ![]() Unless you are shooting in adverse conditions for example 1. Extremely narrow DOF potraits 2.. High ISO handheld 3. Long exposure night shots A P&S can and will take pictures as good as a DSLR. A DSLR enables you go beyond the limits imposed by small sensor and long DOF. In normal daylight etc., a P&S is as good as a DSLR. |
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I am sure you have seen the full crop of an image out of a DLSR and a P&S.... there's hell lot of difference in my opinion. May be I care a lot even for the minor details but a P&S is NO match for DSLR whatever the shooting conditions. Last edited by extreme_torque : 30th July 2007 at 13:32. |
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There are P&S cameras that can produce 8-10MP images and support raw mode too. Then what difference can you spot between the full crop images? The advantage of dSLR over P&S is the sensor size and the ability to switch lenses. If the type of photography you do doesn't benefit from this difference, then all bets are off. Without a good macro lens, no dSLR can compete with the super macro mode of most prosumer P&S cameras. Shooting nature macros using dSLR is an extremely frustrating experience, you are always fighting shallow DOF and wind. While P&S users can easily out-shoot you thanks to their smaller sensor (hence deep DOF). A dSLR can use specialised lens for each application like photomacrography, portrait, landscape, birds (super telephoto), etc. But if you are just using basic kit lens, then that advantage is also lost. | |
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To get a decent sharp picture out of the box from a DSLR you need an expensive lens. Also DSLR cams do very little in camera processing. If you take a good P&S with a decent lens, you will get pictures which are better than DSLRs on a kit lens. These P&S cams are not really P&S in the strict sense, but Prosumer range. | |
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Why would you want deep DOF in a macro shot????? ![]() Again by DSLR I dont mean just the camera body. | |||
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In a few pics, the DOF is so shallow that part of your subject's body goes OOF. So, a slightly deeper DOF is required (which is so in P & S) or you will have to use focus stacking technique of taking multiple pics and stack them to have the complete subject in focus. |
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![]() Bigger sensor size becomes useful if you are printing large size prints or heavily cropping the original image. For most purposes (like 5x7 prints), just 3.2MP would do fine. HellwratH already answered the DOF question. Anybody who has used a macro lens with dSLR would know the importance of deeper DOF. It is rare that the plane of focus stays parallel to the lens. | |
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Try birding or even low light photography and you will come to know. I have a canon S3 IS and it struggles to focus in low light conditions where a DSLR would lock focus instantly without any lag and would be through with the shot... and I am still struggling for the focus. P.S. I absolutely hate the MF (Manual Focus) in S3 IS, it should have a ring like the panasonic FZ series, not those fiddely buttons. |
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My whole point is that to produce good pictures you need good equipment in addition to a good photographer. Without good equipment, even the best photographer can only do so much. As an example I asked if Ansel Adams or Callahan could have produced color images with black and white film. I never argued that good equipmment is the same as a DSLR. The latest P&S are as good if not better than DSLR's (in hands of newbie's) in some situations. Now how does EXIF data prove my point? The lens on the P&S is wider than that I have on my 350D. An entry level DSLR may be inherently better than the P&S, but the P&S lens is an alrounder while DSLR Kit lens is not so. As you know, a camera is nothing without a proper lens so the P&S wins here. The P&S is better equipment (feature wise, though quality of glass may be different) than the Kit lens that 350D comes with. Second, the ISO on P&S is 50 while the lowest I on 350D is 199. You tell me which is better? Third, if I put a 50 mm f1.4 USM Prime lens on SLR I can take great potraits with amazing bokeh, can you do that with the C750? I think I made myself very clear now. If you still do not understand what I am getting at, read the following quote from your post. Quote:
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