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23rd May 2019, 13:42 | #61 |
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| Re: Google cuts ties with Huawei Guys, Here's another article that indicative of deep links between the Chinese State and Huawei. @Naveenroy, the clear links that I think you are looking for, takes a lot of investigation to uncover, which in presence of massive state and corporate collusion may be really hard to uncover and prove. But there have been several alarming developments wrt to Chinese governement and research students who visit the west, and some cases involving Huawei like the polish espionage case recently. When multiple independent media, research bodies and other org.s from multiple continents talk about Huawei's unscupulousness, that's a strong indicator of serious malicious intention. I think usually people fail to understand the chinese geopolitical aim, they are looking for total world domination by stealing, lying and cheating their way to the top. See the case of lankan port and other entrapment kind of loans given to African countries. The fact that you think a state can do what it does to its citizens, and then magically provide the rest of world amazing products that actually only people with the ability to have free speech and complete freedom can do, is indicative of a certain geopolitical naivete. A case in point is the mega effort from Chinese government and its shadowy network of affiliates to steal cutting edge research. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/china/e...-china-n893881 Read what NICHOLAS WEAVER writes in this article as a researcher: https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/17/1...hina-spying-5g We could go on and on, but in the end, if given a choice between supporting democratic country vs a totalitarian country, especially of the complexity presented to us, makes it rather simple. No totalitarian country is well meaning towards people of the world. They want to subjugate, period. |
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23rd May 2019, 16:26 | #62 |
Team-BHP Support | Re: Google cuts ties with Huawei I read all posts but couldn't conclude what will happen with Huawei/Honor phones in SE Asia/India? Will they continue to get support/updates? |
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23rd May 2019, 17:46 | #63 |
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23rd May 2019, 22:31 | #64 |
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| Re: Google cuts ties with Huawei A funny take on this issue from Trevor Noah! Not exactly on Google cutting ties with Huawei but rather why the US is banning Huawei. Specifically a point that came up earlier in discussion on US interest in setting the 5G standard. Last edited by shipnil : 23rd May 2019 at 22:39. Reason: Additional comments |
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24th May 2019, 04:46 | #65 |
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And though this is Trevor Noah and is a funny piece, I think this is the main reason actually - 5G. It is not about spying, patent wars, copying, snooping etc. It is simply about getting ahead in the next "space race". Shackle the competition, break their knees. |
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24th May 2019, 13:38 | #66 |
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| Re: Google cuts ties with Huawei Arm has no choice but to give China its IP An interesting reading here https://www.electronicsweekly.com/bl...ei-ip-2019-05/ In another news TSMC says chip shipments to Huawei not affected by U.S. ban |
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24th May 2019, 22:01 | #67 | |
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| Re: Google cuts ties with Huawei More blow to Huawei Quote:
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24th May 2019, 23:30 | #68 | |
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Personally I hold this opinion, but I am unable to prove this for anyone - I blame all of the open source, open everything liberal hipster arrogance. When Chinese universities hardly had networking courses in late 90s, they built state of the art product line of routers and switches that competed with the largest Bay Area Networking companies in 5 years - how? In the mid 2000s, when you could buy a Router from Huawei (sold in Asia) and flash an image from the large Milpitas company - you can guess what is going on. All of Linux being so open helped the Chinese immensely in leapfrogging their software efforts. All they had to do was get a hold of schematics/BOM/PCB layouts. https://www.prosperousamerica.org/to...t_infringement My ex-employer had presentations from the FBI about protecting IP specifically from China. We were not allowed to take our laptops to China, we were given clean loaner laptops, because the Chinese govt was involved in a systemic theft/economic warfare. Last edited by GutsyGibbon : 24th May 2019 at 23:42. | |
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25th May 2019, 04:31 | #69 |
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That's an interesting line of thought, one that I've never heard used before. Would you mind expounding this a bit? |
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25th May 2019, 05:49 | #70 |
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| Google cuts ties with Huawei https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/inter...chinese-5.html (Car Designs copied by the Chinese) Huawei comes from the same country right? 😀 I obviously do not imply that every company in China be painted with the same brush but I do find it difficult to believe Huawei did not copy or spy. |
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25th May 2019, 10:09 | #71 | |
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25th May 2019, 12:04 | #72 | |
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| Re: Google cuts ties with Huawei An interesting read about the history behind 5 eyes intelligence members and why America is behaving aggressively against China. https://zeihan.com/my-way-or-the-huawei/ Quote:
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25th May 2019, 12:58 | #73 | |
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| Re: Google cuts ties with Huawei Quote:
They did try to get software, they even had exact same documentation. It was long time ago. With companies buying companies, people leaving for companies that pay well, they do not have to keep doing that. Companies do provide backdoor access to law enforcement. Its designed in some products. Now do they really get a warrant for that ? its debatable. I am not saying they might not be doing some backdoor stuff. That is un-ethical and really not related to technology. Its the culture they have chosen. Last edited by srishiva : 25th May 2019 at 13:02. | |
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25th May 2019, 23:36 | #74 | |
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Even today you see people like Elon Musk open source their patents. https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-p...are-belong-you There is arrogance in the technology leadership, that lets them leave doors open that may be closed in other cultures. I am not going to state this as the primary reason, but is one of the reasons that allowed Chinese companies to leapfrog ahead in the tech industry. Can you do a "git/repo init", and a sync and get the latest linux source for all the Chinese routers, switches, or phones? This has been possible for the open source products coming out of Bay Area. As a person doing competitive analysis on products from all over, the products from other cultures have never been this open. HTC Taiwan/Samsung Korea/Sony Japan, etc. Heck you can't even take a USB drive inside Samsung as a visitor. If you do, you are banned for life. Sure, there are always exceptions - mine is a generalized opinion. Last edited by GutsyGibbon : 25th May 2019 at 23:46. | |
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| How Japan Picks America's Brains Much of its economic success has been built on bought, borrowed, or stolen technology. Now U.S. companies are striking back -- but a two-way street is still far off. By Joel Dreyfuss REPORTER ASSOCIATE Carrie Gottlieb December 21, 1987 Quote:
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