[deepjaju]

I remember seeing this experiment on National Geographic some years back.
I searched in youtube and got the link to he video. Pardon the clarity, its uploaded in 240p only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Ryv43F7mA

This clearly explains filling with full tank doesn't cause explosion. Its the air fuel mixture that does. Besides, it won't catch fire unless intentionally caused.

[Dr.Vikas]

The 'so called' intimation by IOCL regarding refuelling vehicle tanks to full in summer, is FAKE.

Technically, it's always advisable to refuel the vehicle tank to Maximum capacity to minimise the evaporation losses.

Here, is the official clarification from IOCL (available on Twitter),


And there is also a Fact Check report compiled by ABP News channel- 'Viral Sach'.
Follow the link below-

https://youtu.be/2C_t89iHuak

Hope, this clarifies all doubts.
Thanks,

[mroutlander]

Adding to what LegalEagle shared, if you are getting your tank full, it is always advisable to stop fueling after auto-cut. There is room available in the tank for a reason and in a bid to delay the next visit to the pump, one must not add extra fuel just because the operator wants 'more sales' or for the meter to show a 'rounded sum'.

Most of the BHPians would know it already but posting this as it seemed relevant to the discussion.

[sunilch]

Ok so I have a query for those who understand or run the operations of a Petrol Pump business. How do you see the impact of the current trend towards EVs. I know EVs in India (or even globally) are in their infancy but this for sure has the potential to impact fuel sales.

It may not be all gloom and doom but it is hard for someone like me who has no association with Petrol Pumps business, except for being their customer, to understand the same. Being in business, can someone share their experience or wisdom here?

What kind of impact or change do you foresee here due to EVs?

I believe that Diesel will continue its hold for a long time than Petrol. Prices may go down of both but sales may not because with a drop in prices, running fuel based cars will remain competitive against EVs. Moreover, with rise in number of EVs, we will have a rise in electricity consumption and hence the price of electricity will also rise.

Also currently, we may not have any taxes on EVs but eventually the government will start charging taxes on EVs and hence their prices will continue to stay high.

[StarryFurry]

Originally Posted by sunilch

Ok so I have a query for those who understand or run the operations of a Petrol Pump business. How do you see the impact of the current trend towards EVs.

Being in the fuel pump business, I am sure that pumps in the big(metro) cities might face challenges due to EVs because metro cities are adopting EVs at a faster pace but those in tier 2/3 cities may not face this because a large number of population will not buy a new vehicle just because its an EV. They typically use 10-12 year old commuter bikes often with expired documents. You can't expect them to buy a new vehicle with their limited income.

So, without substantial increase in income, I don't see mass adoption of EVs at least in rural India and it means that fuel pumps are not going anywhere, at least in the near future.

[ramb]

Hi Team bhp members,
I am petrol bunk operator and the oil company that I deal with are looking at other areas (apart from petroleum products) where they want to expand into and are open to new ideas from customers.
Their queries are:

1. Apart from petroleum products, what else areas customers want them to expand into which can benefit customers ? It can be anything. Open suggestions.

2. The oil companies have brand value and physical coverage , network and huge presence across the country (rural, highways and urban). Based on this what else domain do you want to see them venture into?
Eg: Vehicle financing, huge retail shops just outside cities like Tesco in the UK.

Valuable suggestions are welcome and will be forwarded to the company.

Thanks

[Turbanator]

Originally Posted by ramb

1. Apart from petroleum products, what else areas customers want them to expand into which can benefit customers ?

A couple of things, if it’s going to be added in existing setup-

1. complete range of the Fuels. High octane fuel will be my first pick.

2. Clean toilets if not available alongside bathing areas, showers with disposable towels etc. Look at any of Australian truck show. Maybe link with amount of fuel if you cannot charge separately.

3. Convenience store with basic utilities and confectionery items. If you can add some local snack and Tea/ Coffee that will be great.

Vehicle financing, huge retail shops just outside cities like Tesco in the UK.

Not sure about finance but have seen few bunks here in North like Ambala, its a BP dealership and Petrol pump must be less than 5% of area and even lower volume. He has a Raddison hotel, maybe 30 different food shops, some apparels too. It will all depend on space and the funds one has. Additionally one can have car service station, car wash, tyre shops etc.

[Born 2 Be Wild]

Originally Posted by ramb

Hi Team bhp members,
I am petrol bunk operator and the oil company that I deal with are looking at other areas (apart from petroleum products) where they want to expand into and are open to new ideas from customers.
Their queries are:

1. Apart from petroleum products, what else areas customers want them to expand into which can benefit customers ? It can be anything. Open suggestions.

2. The oil companies have brand value and physical coverage , network and huge presence across the country (rural, highways and urban). Based on this what else domain do you want to see them venture into?
Eg: Vehicle financing, huge retail shops just outside cities like Tesco in the UK.

Valuable suggestions are welcome and will be forwarded to the company.

Thanks

Welcome to the trade sir. Not sure how long you have been part of this and which OMC(oil marketing company)? Most Omc's know their target audience and what can be catered to best. The culture in india is majorly different then most countries in the west hence business models are impractical here considering the client base Omc's are happy with margins on fuel and additional revenue on VCC (vehicle car care) activities at the retail outlet

[Ananthang]

Some suggestions from my side -
Priority for Respective petro card groups where they have tie up
Queue for hatch back petrol cars only
Fill air at the same spot while fuel is being filled up
Selling or serving quick snacks tea coffee on the go which can be purchased while they wait
With summer, giving free drinking water while waiting

[ramb]

Originally Posted by Turbanator

A couple of things, if it’s going to be added in existing setup-

1. complete range of the Fuels. High octane fuel will be my first pick.

2. Clean toilets if not available alongside bathing areas, showers with disposable towels etc. Look at any of Australian truck show. Maybe link with amount of fuel if you cannot charge separately.

3. Convenience store with basic utilities and confectionery items. If you can add some local snack and Tea/ Coffee that will be great.




Not sure about finance but have seen few bunks here in North like Ambala, its a BP dealership and Petrol pump must be less than 5% of area and even lower volume. He has a Raddison hotel, maybe 30 different food shops, some apparels too. It will all depend on space and the funds one has. Additionally one can have car service station, car wash, tyre shops etc.

Originally Posted by Born 2 Be Wild

Welcome to the trade sir. Not sure how long you have been part of this and which OMC(oil marketing company)? Most Omc's know their target audience and what can be catered to best. The culture in india is majorly different then most countries in the west hence business models are impractical here considering the client base Omc's are happy with margins on fuel and additional revenue on VCC (vehicle car care) activities at the retail outlet

Originally Posted by Ananthang

Some suggestions from my side -
Priority for Respective petro card groups where they have tie up
Queue for hatch back petrol cars only
Fill air at the same spot while fuel is being filled up
Selling or serving quick snacks tea coffee on the go which can be purchased while they wait
With summer, giving free drinking water while waiting

Thanks Turbanator, Born 2 Be Wild, Ananthang for the suggestions. I will surely make note.

What the OMC is looking at is other ventures or spinoffs into a completely different industry. Could be Insurance, Banking, Credit cards, Supermarkets etc.
Please provide suggestions based on the above where with existing networks they can venture into other industries. Could be any industry where you think the OMC can invest and operate.

[Ananthang]

Originally Posted by ramb

Thanks Turbanator, Born 2 Be Wild, Ananthang for the suggestions. I will surely make note.

What the OMC is looking at is other ventures or spinoffs into a completely different industry. Could be Insurance, Banking, Credit cards, Supermarkets etc.
Please provide suggestions based on the above where with existing networks they can venture into other industries. Could be any industry where you think the OMC can invest and operate.

Most of which they are targeting is already there online probably cheaper without broker commission. So it may not be high volume or profitable.

Can they try something similar to US like Debit card Cash back, so that would save ATM stop.

Another one - Funny though but I feel this will be useful to me - Create contract with clients around the Bunk zone, so they do door step petrol filling twice in a week or charge credit card based on usage. Request for fuel fill up can be placed a day before

[Turbanator]

Originally Posted by ramb

What the OMC is looking at is other ventures or spinoffs into a completely different industry. Could be Insurance, Banking, Credit cards, Supermarkets .

So, they are looking to use their Brand name to diversify in some other fields- correct?

Will be very difficult for most of us regular joes to suggest to a company like Essar or Assam Oil o

[ramb]

Originally Posted by Ananthang

Most of which they are targeting is already there online probably cheaper without broker commission. So it may not be high volume or profitable.

Can they try something similar to US like Debit card Cash back, so that would save ATM stop.

Another one - Funny though but I feel this will be useful to me - Create contract with clients around the Bunk zone, so they do door step petrol filling twice in a week or charge credit card based on usage. Request for fuel fill up can be placed a day before

Already there is a cash back scheme where there is instant discount if you use debit card to fuel.

The OMC delivers door delivery where heavy volumes are required. I am not sure if what you are mentioning is feasible due to the nature of the product involved.

Originally Posted by Turbanator

So, they are looking to use their Brand name to diversify in some other fields- correct?

Will be very difficult for most of us regular joes to suggest to a company like Essar or Assam Oil o

You are very much correct. They are goverment OMC.

[ramb]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Be Wild

Welcome to the trade sir. Not sure how long you have been part of this and which OMC(oil marketing company)? Most Omc's know their target audience and what can be catered to best. The culture in india is majorly different then most countries in the west hence business models are impractical here considering the client base Omc's are happy with margins on fuel and additional revenue on VCC (vehicle car care) activities at the retail outlet

Thanks for the reply. Yes they follow vehicle care activities inside the Retail outlets. But they want to look into other areas also apart from fuel products.

[Born 2 Be Wild]

Originally Posted by ramb

Thanks for the reply. Yes they follow vehicle care activities inside the Retail outlets. But they want to look into other areas also apart from fuel products.

Well sir i dont know which omc you are refering to but in delhi they have tied up with almost all business models related to vehicles and 2 wheelers and failed misreably in all activities.

1. Tie up with tyre co. - Failed, prices in open market far cheaper then those offered at pump.

2. Batteries - Failed , again same issue prices more then other market players

3. Insurance kiosks - Failed, same story,could not
Compete with open market pricing.

4. Car accessory diplays- Failed, same story no chance against open market players.

Theese are just some examples i can keep going on and on, city in refrence Delhi ncr Oil marketing company - HPCL

Bottom line of the sheet is what the companies look at in terms of their sucess and all have majorly realized there is no money to be made apart from their core business