Bike seized as it was modified. What does this mean for the modifiers out there?

anupmathur · 10th September 2007, 08:35

Holding a PUC cert means very little in this context. With the hundreds of testing stations, there is no knowing how many are using calibrated equipment and whether all the specified parameters are being tested for.
I'd approach this from the other end - why were catcons made mandatory in the first place?

anupmathur · 10th September 2007, 08:45

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Originally Posted by v1p3r

Why is it below the belt? To each his own. I don't go about preaching. If someone preaches, let him/her take such steps to ensure that his or her contribution to pollution is at a minimum.

To be able to point out one fault to a fellow citizen I do not have to be one hundred percent fault-free myself.
We all have our faults, and others may point them out to us.
I am, at the moment, not being as 'green' as I could be: I am needlessly consuming energy participating on this forum when there is really is no NEED for it. And I have an AC running as well! Without these, there is no danger whatsoever of my demise and nor are fellow countrymen going to be adversely affected or deprived by my not participating.

w 12 · 10th September 2007, 09:58

The issue was the unscientific claims made earlier..e.g.
1. Fitting a FFE and removing catcon has no effect on emissions
2. Modded cars with FFE are more efficient than stock ones and hence their exhausts throw water on coldstart , unlike stock engines.

I see no scientific proof so far for both the above claims. All of us can do much more to save the environment. that does not mean one has to accept dubious claims made in a public forum.

Why are we comparing emissions of 15 year old vehicle with a bharat stage 2 / 3 vehicle ? To stretch this strange logic , we should junk all classics and oldies immediately as none of them will meet current norms in safety or emission.

Relevant question IMO is did the emission level of your car increase / decrease after you removed the catcon and fitted a FFE .? If it decreased , you have a money spinner in hand.

Where is 'preaching' coming in here ?

@v1p3r - not just MPFI , even modern carburetted engines in good tune emit water droplets in exhaust in the first start of the day. You might have noticed this in all pre mpfi carburetted marutis as well.

@ironwolf - if you have any data which says removing catcon does not increase the emissions , compared to what it was with catcon earlier , do share the same. And your cousins E -zen itself is illegal ,not just the FFE , unless he has got the engine swap notified in the RC book.

DileepKS · 10th September 2007, 16:32

I never said an FFE will have same performance, or even will comply with stds, beause it can't. Maybe it can pass the roadside station test, because the station is looking for a lower standard. Maybe bad calibration or the standards itself.

My point is, you must comply with the law of the land. If you CAN comply with the law by using a FFE, who am I to object?

And isn't the matter very simple if it is illegal? Don't do it!! Don't like tha law? Either change it, or move somewhere that law does not apply!

IronWolf · 10th September 2007, 23:18

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Originally Posted by w 12

@ironwolf - if you have any data which says removing catcon does not increase the emissions , compared to what it was with catcon earlier , do share the same. And your cousins E -zen itself is illegal ,not just the FFE , unless he has got the engine swap notified in the RC book.

W 12 - I was on the same page as you on my earlier post itself. Just to reconfirm. Here is me quoting myself

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They all passed emission tests without any issues. The members who feel that removing a cat con is going to drill a hole in the ozone layer should do a little research. I understand that its against the RTO regulations and all.....

What I was talking about was modded cars with FFE being within the stipulated norms so no point beating up those who have the FFE in terms of emmision. Its also pointless to undermine the Govt certified emission testing stations.

Anyway. I have a strong feeling the Mods are going to close this thread

sudev · 17th June 2016, 15:29

Long time coming. Though against what TBHP enthusiasm is about. What next?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...&id=1003165505

The MVAct does not allow for any method of registering modifications. You cannot even change the color of your vehicle.

amitoj · 17th June 2016, 18:56

Can't read the facebook post. Is this something new coming down the pipe?

Dr.Naren · 17th June 2016, 22:49

Any modification on car is not legal according to MVD act. But it is not followed strictly anywhere.

Check fb page of Kiirus, they have remapped cars of police commissioner and even a state government bus. It is very difficult to keep this in check. Cars are modded everywhere and it's illegal in most of the countries.

sudev · 17th June 2016, 23:00

The Facebook post refers to Mumbai cops coming down on modded Bullet.

tharian · 17th June 2016, 23:01

The law was already present, just like noise level and the likes. As and when required, pull up one of these and make money out of it for a while and go to the next law which is noticed being mis-used.

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Originally Posted by Dr.Naren

Check fb page of Kiirus, they have remapped cars of police commissioner and even a state government bus.

Why did they remap a bus??
For better fuel efficiency is what I can think.

Can't imagine what if the private buses in Kerala get re-mapped for more power.

Dr.Naren · 17th June 2016, 23:04

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Originally Posted by tharian

Why did they remap a bus??
For better fuel efficiency is what I can think.

Can't imagine what if the private buses in Kerala get re-mapped for more power.

Yes, the bus was remapped for better efficiency. I too can't imagine buses remapped for more power

. Public roads are like race track for most of the bus drivers.

sourabhzen · 17th June 2016, 23:04

This act is there for ages but seldom implemented due to lack of resources and lack of interest in relevant departments. Punjab police is confiscating transformed cars as stretched limousines recently.

Samurai · 18th June 2016, 00:05

Does this mean Dilip Chabria will go out of business?

mayankk · 18th June 2016, 07:19

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Originally Posted by Samurai

Does this mean Dilip Chabria will go out of business?

More importantly, can he go to the Hague for crimes against the visually able?

tilt · 18th June 2016, 11:32

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Originally Posted by Samurai

Does this mean Dilip Chabria will go out of business?

One can always hope and pray, right?

Cheers

10th September 2007, 08:35	#76
anupmathur Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,095 Thanked: 307 Times	Holding a PUC cert means very little in this context. With the hundreds of testing stations, there is no knowing how many are using calibrated equipment and whether all the specified parameters are being tested for. I'd approach this from the other end - why were catcons made mandatory in the first place?
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10th September 2007, 09:58	#78
w 12 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: bangalore Posts: 402 Thanked: 26 Times	The issue was the unscientific claims made earlier..e.g. 1. Fitting a FFE and removing catcon has no effect on emissions 2. Modded cars with FFE are more efficient than stock ones and hence their exhausts throw water on coldstart , unlike stock engines. I see no scientific proof so far for both the above claims. All of us can do much more to save the environment. that does not mean one has to accept dubious claims made in a public forum. Why are we comparing emissions of 15 year old vehicle with a bharat stage 2 / 3 vehicle ? To stretch this strange logic , we should junk all classics and oldies immediately as none of them will meet current norms in safety or emission. Relevant question IMO is did the emission level of your car increase / decrease after you removed the catcon and fitted a FFE .? If it decreased , you have a money spinner in hand. Where is 'preaching' coming in here ? @v1p3r - not just MPFI , even modern carburetted engines in good tune emit water droplets in exhaust in the first start of the day. You might have noticed this in all pre mpfi carburetted marutis as well. @ironwolf - if you have any data which says removing catcon does not increase the emissions , compared to what it was with catcon earlier , do share the same. And your cousins E -zen itself is illegal ,not just the FFE , unless he has got the engine swap notified in the RC book. Last edited by w 12 : 10th September 2007 at 10:02.
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10th September 2007, 16:32	#79
DileepKS BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cochin Posts: 137 Thanked: 8 Times	I never said an FFE will have same performance, or even will comply with stds, beause it can't. Maybe it can pass the roadside station test, because the station is looking for a lower standard. Maybe bad calibration or the standards itself. My point is, you must comply with the law of the land. If you CAN comply with the law by using a FFE, who am I to object? And isn't the matter very simple if it is illegal? Don't do it!! Don't like tha law? Either change it, or move somewhere that law does not apply!
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17th June 2016, 15:29	#81
sudev Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,838 Thanked: 3,179 Times	Modification not allowed Long time coming. Though against what TBHP enthusiasm is about. What next? https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...&id=1003165505 The MVAct does not allow for any method of registering modifications. You cannot even change the color of your vehicle.
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17th June 2016, 18:56	#82
amitoj Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Windham, NH USA Posts: 3,348 Thanked: 3,105 Times View My Garage	Re: Modification not allowed Can't read the facebook post. Is this something new coming down the pipe?
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17th June 2016, 22:49	#83
Dr.Naren Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,102 Thanked: 16,916 Times View My Garage	Re: Modification not allowed Any modification on car is not legal according to MVD act. But it is not followed strictly anywhere. Check fb page of Kiirus, they have remapped cars of police commissioner and even a state government bus. It is very difficult to keep this in check. Cars are modded everywhere and it's illegal in most of the countries.
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17th June 2016, 23:00	#84
sudev Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,838 Thanked: 3,179 Times	The Facebook post refers to Mumbai cops coming down on modded Bullet.
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17th June 2016, 23:04	#87
sourabhzen Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: GURGAON Posts: 1,591 Thanked: 1,401 Times View My Garage	Re: Modification not allowed This act is there for ages but seldom implemented due to lack of resources and lack of interest in relevant departments. Punjab police is confiscating transformed cars as stretched limousines recently.
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18th June 2016, 00:05	#88
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 25,831 Thanked: 45,607 Times View My Garage	Re: Modification not allowed Does this mean Dilip Chabria will go out of business?
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