[YogiBear]

I have my dear trusty Maruti Swift Dzire VXI that is nearing 15 years of age in 30 days. Except for some rattling noise in the suspension, it is spick and span to drive. I am now developing FOLO (fear of losing out) with the looming deadline to scrap this lovely possession of mine. And the spectre of having to invest 8L+ immediately isn't very attractive as well.

Is it possible that I get the ICE engine totally replaced with a new one from an authorized MASS and then the RTO allows me to continue running it for another 15 years??

What might be the cost and legal implications in this scenario?

[GTO]

No, and with good reason too.

- India is a country of jugaad & fake paperwork. If the government allows this, we'll see all sorts of 20-year old cars back on Delhi roads with supposed new engines. But which were never really fitted.

- The cost of getting a new engine etc. with installation from MASS will exceed the value of your car.

- 15-years is a good enough time to have enjoyed your Dzire, Now, time for you to buy & experience something newer & fresher.

[headbanger]

Originally Posted by YogiBear

I have my dear trusty Maruti Swift Dzire VXI that is nearing 15 years of age in 30 days. Except for some rattling noise in the suspension, it is spick and span to drive. I am now developing FOLO (fear of losing out) with the looming deadline to scrap this lovely possession of mine. And the spectre of having to invest 8L+ immediately isn't very attractive as well.

Is it possible that I get the ICE engine totally replaced with a new one from an authorized MASS and then the RTO allows me to continue running it for another 15 years??

What might be the cost and legal implications in this scenario?

Accept the inevitable and move ahead though it may feel grossly unfair deep within. Get a new car and extract as much as possible for the faithful Dzire by selling it.

Unfortunately for our tribe, we fit in that space within financial pyramid of country where it's easiest to hit by regulations. Try and plan your life around this simple fact.

I have a Ritz and Dzire that will be done within next 2 years due to the same rule. The only difference is that this isn't my first experience. Hence I have accepted the unfairness of framework and started to plan future keeping Govt. whims as one of the parameters. Our first car Zen met with the same fate for no mistakes of ours. All I can say is I hear you my friend...

[ike]

Originally Posted by YogiBear

Is it possible that I get the ICE engine totally replaced with a new one from an authorized MASS and then the RTO allows me to continue running it for another 15 years??

Even if it were possible, remember that you will have a car with a new engine but every other component(the chassis, the shell, upholstery etc.) will be fifteen years old. Such a car is likely to be a headache in the long run in terms of reliability. Not wort the hassle IMO, sometimes you have to just grin and bear it.

[Fuldagap]

Originally Posted by YogiBear

I have my dear trusty Maruti Swift Dzire VXI that is nearing 15 years of age in 30 days. Except for some rattling noise in the suspension, it is spick and span to drive. I am now developing FOLO (fear of losing out) with the looming deadline to scrap this lovely possession of mine. And the spectre of having to invest 8L+ immediately isn't very attractive as well.

Is it possible that I get the ICE engine totally replaced with a new one from an authorized MASS and then the RTO allows me to continue running it for another 15 years??

What might be the cost and legal implications in this scenario?

To be honest, such a caveat can only be answered by an enthusiastic & well read govt official or by a thorough agent (who would know a well read govt official). I'm not sure even filing an RTI request would render this info.

What's sure is this, RTO needs to endorse & permit the change in engine before anybody changes his car's engine. People used to change their cars from petrol to diesel a lot. I'm sure some would be doing that even now. However, to use the change in engine to avoid the 15 year ban in no way sounds even remotely mainstream.

If you don't know any concerned govt official through friends, try getting in touch with an agent. Visit the RTO and agents would approach you by themselves like honey bees.
Agents nearby your residence can also be found via Google search. Approaching the RTO officially might not be useful. If you are really serious about it then you need to deviate from the normal approach to things to achieve it.

A Maruti service center can give an estimate of the costs involved. In 2008, I saw a poster at a dealer's office at Ahmedabad advertising plonking a new Maruti engine in an old car, even the price was mentioned which I don't remember now.

It's indeed a food for thought if this is really possible or not.

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by YogiBear

I have my dear trusty Maruti Swift Dzire VXI that is nearing 15 years of age in 30 days.

What might be the cost and legal implications in this scenario?

An interesting thought. However I really think the Swift Dzire has kind of gone past its sell by date.
It is better you take this as an opportunity to move towards an upgrade. Of course, I guess you can see about making it an EV if you are that attached to the vehicle.

https://youtu.be/oN9wrYbvVvg?si=XSODNewxEyLLTgLz

[anjan_c2007]

While appreciating your efforts to prolong the life of your DZire the alternatives include selling it with NoC to an owner outside the NCR. Or else, you can think of converting it into an EV. I am quoting a Delhi High Court stay on scrapping of a 15 plus year old Daewoo Matiz, based on a writ petition by its owner. The car first owned by the owner's mother had been handed over to the next generation viz. the present lady owner who said that she had an emotional attachment with the car. It was seized from the owner's possession and towed away for scrapping. This happened in May 2023 and many of us are familiar with the incident. Last heard, the lady had assured the court that she would later on consider converting it into an EV, if deemed necessary for use.

The details:-

Former government worker Sushma Prasad requested the Delhi High Court to look into why her Matiz car was taken away and sent to be scrapped. The government agency didn’t give her any warning before taking the car away. She also stated that the car belonged to her family and had a lot of emotional value, as it was a gift from her mother.

In her plea to the court, Prasad raised the right of a person to protect and preserve tangible things that belonged to their parents to ensure that family values and traditions are passed down to future generations. The judge in the case, Justice Manoj Ohri, issued an order to stop the process of scrapping the car and asked the Transport Department and its authorised scrapping agency to reply to the woman’s request.

The case has raised important questions regarding the impact of the Vehicle Scrappage Policy on family heritage and emotional attachments to vehicles. The order by the Delhi High Court to stop scrapping the car may set a precedent for other cases where vehicles hold significant emotional value for families. However, it remains to be seen how this ruling will affect the overall implementation of the policy.

The case of Sushma Prasad and her Matiz car highlights the need to balance environmental concerns with emotional attachments to family vehicles. The Delhi High Court’s decision to stop the scrapping of the car shows that family heritage and emotional value must be taken into account when implementing policies that affect people’s lives.

The newslink :-

https://www.dnpindia.in/people/delhi...etails/225404/


Times of India newslink:-

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/99917450.cms

[GTX+]

Academic question:

We know of few cases where some people transfer their old vehicle number to their new vehicle.

Now, what the OP is suggesting (changing the engine!), how is/will it be different from the above case from an administration/paper work perspective?

I know both scenarios are completely different, but from the perspective of an RTO official, do both scenarios require different process (physical check, paper work etc.) to be followed?

[YogiBear]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

An interesting thought. However I really think the Swift Dzire has kind of gone past its sell by date.
It is better you take this as an opportunity to move towards an upgrade. Of course, I guess you can see about making it an EV if you are that attached to the vehicle.
https://Youtu.be/oN9wrYbvVvg?si=XSODNewxEyLLTgLz

I appreciate your pointing in the direction of northwayms.com, but it's conversion kit price tag of 6-8 Lakhs is way too much.

I fail to understand why should the govt not allow replacement of old ICE with a new one, since this single step (cost Rs. 1 Lakh) fully takes care of the pollution/aging of the vehicle. How could the Chassis being old be a cause of concern w.r.t. pollution norms?

Originally Posted by Fuldagap

To be honest, such a caveat can only be answered by an enthusiastic & well read govt official or by a thorough agent (who would know a well read govt official). I'm not sure even filing an RTI request would render this info.

What's sure is this, RTO needs to endorse & permit the change in engine before anybody changes his car's engine. People used to change their cars from petrol to diesel a lot. I'm sure some would be doing that even now. However, to use the change in engine to avoid the 15 year ban in no way sounds even remotely mainstream.

If you don't know any concerned govt official through friends, try getting in touch with an agent. Visit the RTO and agents would approach you by themselves like honey bees.
Agents nearby your residence can also be found via Google search. Approaching the RTO officially might not be useful. If you are really serious about it then you need to deviate from the normal approach to things to achieve it.

A Maruti service center can give an estimate of the costs involved. In 2008, I saw a poster at a dealer's office at Ahmedabad advertising plonking a new Maruti engine in an old car, even the price was mentioned which I don't remember now.

It's indeed a food for thought if this is really possible or not.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I did call up Rana Motors MASS in Noida and they quoted a price of Rs. 1 Lakh for a brand new ICE in my Maruti Dzire.

Thinking of visiting the local RTO tomorrow and gaining access to some top honcho there and get some logical answer.

If pollution is a factor of old engines, then replacement of engine should solve that problem. Or not?

[SS-Traveller]

Originally Posted by YogiBear

Is it possible that I get the ICE engine totally replaced with a new one from an authorized MASS and then the RTO allows me to continue running it for another 15 years??

What might be the cost and legal implications in this scenario?

Engine swaps are allowed only with an engine of similar specification from the factory - since your car is 15 years old, it would be a BS3 specification, and you cannot upgrade to a BS6.2 engine under any circumstance (though I wish they would do it as in the UK (The heartbeat of BlackPearl | Land Rover Defender 90 Review) and elsewhere). Hence, since BS3 vehicles are being phased out, you have to bid goodbye to your car, however saddening it may be.

[Fuldagap]

Originally Posted by YogiBear

Thinking of visiting the local RTO tomorrow and gaining access to some top honcho there and get some logical answer.

I'll suggest you to stick to a top agent. I particularly hate going through an agent for anything but sometimes had to go through them to get a complicated and time taking work done without hassles.

Originally Posted by YogiBear

If pollution is a factor of old engines, then replacement of engine should solve that problem. Or not?

I reckon it should be so. Engine new, exhaust new mated with a new catalytic converter. What else could be there as far as complying with the emission norms is concerned. Maybe experts can shed more light on it.

[YogiBear]

Originally Posted by SS-Traveller

Engine swaps are allowed only with an engine of similar specification from the factory - since your car is 15 years old, it would be a BS3 specification, and you cannot upgrade to a BS6.2 engine under any circumstance (though I wish they would do it as in the UK (The heartbeat of BlackPearl | Land Rover Defender 90 Review) and elsewhere). Hence, since BS3 vehicles are being phased out, you have to bid goodbye to your car, however saddening it may be.

Very logical answer. Thanks!

[sumeethaldankar]

If you are attached to your car and have a home outside Delhi (hometown/native) you could simply transfer the car there else after 15 years it's time for a new car.

[s.sriram1989@gm]

I wonder what do car collectors do for their old cars to be permitted?

[ajmat]

Originally Posted by s.sriram1989@gm

I wonder what do car collectors do for their old cars to be permitted?

In some countries, they are given a "Classic" reg and only allowed on weekends or outside peak hours. Probably needs to be endorsed by a credible organization.

The government should curtail usage not an outright ban

As for the transplant

1: Not worth the money

2: The car will not be the same and will not necessarily cope with the changes, mountings, rattles, power output, fuel systems

Bit like having a heart transplant, you will never be the same and you need to assess whether the extra limited lifespan is worth it!