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Trash is something that nobody wants. Here we have buyers for this particular Trash. So it's not Trash.
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True. Put a square wheel on a car, and sell it for a couple of thousand less> There will be buyers for that variant in India. We will prefer to put in after market proper wheels. But that is no excuse for a manufacturer to sell bad products AFTER putting in a better improved version of the same product. If they do, it is simply exploiting the customer.
And I have a peeve against manufacturers taking advntage of that weakness.
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Disposable cups is a bad analogy.
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Yes. And I did say so.
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Here no manufacturer is taking disposed off cars from the junkyard, repainting them and selling it off as brand new or refurbished. All cars are manufactured new.
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I DId not say that, and sorry if I implied that. I am meaning the concept. The model. The design. The total package. The manufacturer has every right to squeeze the last blood out of a dying model. As a customer, I have every right to protest when a manufacturer tries to heap c r a p on customers. As a customer, when I have no other choice I may settle for the crap the manufacturer sells me. That does not mean that I am happy with what I get. I know the mfr. can give me better products. But he is deliberately not. Hope this clarifies the issue.
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It's not the 5 speed gearbox alone that made the difference. It's the combination of a 5speed gearbox and a 12valve head. It was a hot model and sad that they pulled it off the market.
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We agree here dont we? It is just that I have stronger feelings about this. Ever watched how drivers behave in a traffic jam? Some get frustrated. Some honk. Some put on ICE and keep cool. Some look for small gaps to squeeze through. When MSIL says "take this or leave it. This is the gearbox / engine we are prepared to give you on this model", you (and I am not referring only to the individual who posted the quote above) feel sad. I get angry.
Taking away the heart (or whatever is closer to a heart for a car) and
putting in some superficial changes (that is where the "repainting used cups" in my analogy comes in) and claiming to have a better product is simply unacceptable to me.
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Unless it is pulled out of the market like thay did with Esteem & Baleno it will sell. If Esteem was still available in the market i'm sure many would've bought it.
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Trash is something that nobody wants. Here we have buyers for this particular Trash. So it's not Trash. |
Do find a contradiction there? "There are buyers for it. and there will be buyers for it as long as it is available". You stop there.
I go a bit further. I see "as a concept, what is available inside the M800 package is outdated. Out moded. Well used. Re used. Flogged to death. I am bored. If you keep on repeating, I would simply crush it (if I could) and put it in the dust bin."
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Aren't M800 or even Omni are loners in their segment at present? (present and not future) So why compare until anything really challenges the existance of M800?
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True. Very true. Even the lowest variants of Indica/Xeta do not come anywhere close in terms of price.
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The car is not trash. But yes it's obsolete.
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True. And if somebody makes a Ford Motel T today, there will be buyers for it.
Aw, c'mon. My point - the M800 was good when it was launched (and still is). It was made better several times over in between.
Then some improvements were taken away.
Without giving us back those improvements, why simply put in some cosmetic changes and claim to have a new version? I would have called this "hypocrisy". Yup. that would have been better than "trash".
And I have complaints about other manufacturers who bring in models which are obsolete elsewhere and brand them here as new. How many of these manufacturers have a strategy where they modify the existing drivetrain and put in a WORSER one? Without matching reduction in prices to boot?
Once the concept of "small car" was introduced for purpose fo excise duties, some manufacturers have introduced smaller engines - like Xeta or Fiat; but these models also continue to come with the older bigger engines. Did we have similar option with the M800?
And FYI, I would have gone in for a M800 (and not any other car) if my first car was a second hand one. But I decided to get a brand new one from MSIL. And it it was neither the M800 nor the alto. And I choose that model because other manufacturers did not have a better overall package. And NOT because MSIL's package was up to my expectations.
I distinguish between the cars that we own, and the cars the manufacturer sells. Do you? And I can see a distinction between "selling" and "palming off". Because once I almost became owner of an M800, have driven around in one, and still, given the circumstances, I may be forced to become an owner of one, I can understand the former - the "cars that we buy" and "selling a car" part.. But will revolt aainst the latter.
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When every body was happy they launched the ZX with Vtec. Didn't they had VTEC in india before. So it was clear, if they launched the ZX before who would buy their plain jane IDSI.
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Precisely. But there is a difference. Given that vtec engine is better than IDSI engine, what would we have said if we first got a vtec engine and than the manufacturer claimed an "upgrade" to the IDSI? Sorry. I refuse to be simply "sad". But I can understand peopel buying the latter. That is simply no justification for the retrograde step.