Sx4 Hatchback ... A Perfect Fabia Killer?

Ym-enjn · 29th July 2008, 22:55

Instead of brining a SX4 in diesel and 4X4 to make a sporty hatch, why don't they bring in a new generation of Gypsy? It will give them unimaginable volumes.

AbhiJ · 30th July 2008, 00:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ym-enjn

Instead of brining a SX4 in diesel and 4X4 to make a sporty hatch, why don't they bring in a new generation of Gypsy? It will give them unimaginable volumes.

I agree. I'd buy one!

30th July 2008, 10:18

Yes. It is the right time to bring back the Gypsy with diesel heart.

kcstheg · 30th July 2008, 10:29

We are talking about adding a diesel engine to make a hatch a sporty hatch...

What has the indian automotive world come to ?

jkdas · 30th July 2008, 11:27

To kill Fabia Skoda priced it way high and I dont think any Indian company takes Fabia as a competition.

Need to find its sales figures.

amtak · 30th July 2008, 11:31

Fabia is selling in good numbers. I am also waiting for Vasudeva's figures but I can vouch for it that it is indeed selling in good numbers. Though it would be a wrong comparison but, I see 2 fabia's on the road as against 1 Getz despite Getz being a cheaper alternative. Not comparing the sales with Swift as I am sure, swift moves more swiftly as compared to Fabia!

maddy42 · 30th July 2008, 12:10

The hatch really looks good and i like the white color with the spoiler on it. Looks brilliant and will do better with a ddis in it

shankar.balan · 30th July 2008, 12:43

The Fabia appeals to those who are well-heeled in terms of budget, are very quality conscious and dont mind paying for quality, want a luxury feel in their normal daily city runabouts and are also driven partially by ease of parking / city usage. It is clearly not a car for the mass market and will never outdo Swift/ Getz etc etc. Perhaps Skoda simply wants a presence in the luxe hatch market and doesnt seriously look at the same market segment as the Swift/ Getz etc do!

SX4 as a hatch, if priced right, will be a very good option because of Marutis trusted image, good service network and generally inexpensive maintenance. Plus it will look very good with its aggressive and slightly higher SUV/ Crossover-like stance etc. Will definitely appeal.

Take for example the SRV from Chevy - such a good looking car but killed totally by its initial pricing! Now despite the huge reductions in price, there are not many takers for the same!

esteem_lover · 30th July 2008, 13:10

Even if the SX4 hatch is 2 lakhs cheaper, the fabia crowd will not consider the SX4. Maruti & premium do not go hand in hand

groom · 30th July 2008, 14:19

Model name SX4 Body Type Hatchback Engine Petrol 1.5L 1.6L 1.6L VVT 2.0L Drive system 2WD 2WD / 4WD Number of doors 5 DIMENSIONS Overall length mm 4,100 (Urban)
4,140 (Outdoor)
4,115 (Urban)
4,135 (Outdoor)
4,100 (Urban)
4,135-4,140 (Outdoor)
4,115 (Urban)
4,135-4,163 (Outdoor)
Overall width mm 1,730 (Urban)
1,755 (Outdoor)
Overall height mm 1,555
(15 tyres)
1,565-1,605 (16 tyres/2WD)
1,585 (Urban)
1,605 (Outdoor: with roof rail)
1,555
(15 tyres)
1,565-1,605
(16 tyres/2WD)
1,620
(16 tyres/4WD)
1,575 (Urban)
1,605-1,630 (Outdoor)
Wheelbase mm 2,500 Tread Front mm 1,500 / 1,495 1,500 / 1,495 1,500 / 1,495 (2WD)
1,495 / 1,495 (4WD)
1,495-1,500 (2WD)
1,495-1,500 / 1,495 (4WD)
Rear mm Minimum turning radius m 5.3 Minimum ground learance mm 165-175 175 165-175 (2WD)
190 (4WD)
165-175 (2WD)
175-200 (4WD)
CAPACITIES Seating capacity persons 5 Fuel tank capacity litres 50 45-50 ENGINE Type M15A (1,490) M16A (1,586) M16A VVT (1,586) J20A (1,995) Valve arrangement DOHC-16V Maximum output kW/rpm 73 / 5,600 74 / 5,600 75-79 / 5,600 107 / 5,800 Maximum torque N・m/rpm 133 / 4,100 140 / 4,000 165-175 (2WD)
190 (4WD)
165-175 (2WD)
175-200 (4WD)
Fuel distribution Multipoint injection TRANSMISSION type 5MT 5MT / 4AT CHASSIS Brakes(Front) Ventilated disc Brakes(Rear) Drum,leading & trailling Suspension(Front) MacPherson strut & coil spring Suspension(Rear) Torsion beam & coil spring Tyres 195 / 65R15
205 / 60R16
WEIGHT Kerb weight M/T (min.)/(with full options) kg 1,130 / 1,185 1,180 / 1,205 1,130 / 1,185 1,200-1,270 / 1,235-1,295 Kerb weight A/T (min.)/(with full options) kg - 1,195 / 1,220 1,145-1,195 / 1,200-1,220 1,235-1,305 / 1,270-1,330 Gross vehicle weight kg 1,600 1,650 1,650 1,650-1,725

diesel specs ...

Model name SX4 Body Type Hatchback Engine Diesel 1.6L DDiS 1.9L DDiS Drive system 2WD 2WD/4WD Number of doors 5 DIMENSIONS Overall length mm 4,100 (Urban)
4,140 (Outdoor)
Overall width mm 1,730 (Urban)
1,755 (Outdoor)
Overall height mm 1,555 (15 tyres)
1,565-1,605 (16 tyres/2WD)
1,555 (15 tyres)
1,565-1,605 (16 tyres/2WD)
1,620 (16 tyres/4WD)
Wheelbase mm 2,500 Tread Front mm 1,500/1,495 1,500/1,495 (2WD)
1,495/1,495 (4WD)
Rear mm Minimum turning radius m 5.3 Minimum ground learance mm 165-175 165-175 (2WD)
190 (4WD)
CAPACITIES Seating capacity persons 5 Fuel tank capacity litres 50 ENGINE Type 9HX (1,560) D19AA (1,910) Valve arrangement 16V 1C-2V Maximum output kW/rpm 66/4,000 88/3,500 Maximum torque N・m/rpm 215/1,750 280/2,000 Fuel distribution Direct injection (Common rail) TRANSMISSION type 5MT 6MT CHASSIS Brakes(Front) Ventilated disc Brakes(Rear) Drum,leading & trailling Suspension(Front) MacPherson strut & coil spring Suspension(Rear) Torsion beam & coil spring Tyres 195/65R15
205/60R16
WEIGHT Kerb weight M/T (min.)/(with full options) kg 1,225/1,280 1,265-1,325/1,320-1,380 Kerb weight A/T (min.)/(with full options) kg - - Gross vehicle weight kg 1,700 1,790

even i keep seeing only hatchback sx4 in japan ... thats when it caught my eye and i posted this one ... belive me its AWESOME ... king of hatchbacks ... if one comes to india .. i would jump for it ..

amit · 30th July 2008, 14:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by esteem_lover

Maruti & premium do not go hand in hand

The SX4 could have changed that and on paper showed potential but Maruti messed it up.

Mpower · 30th July 2008, 16:46

The only reason people buy Fabia hatch is because Fabia is not made as a sedan. They are mainly going for the badge, engine, quality interior and solid feel...plus their major gripe is that its not offered as a sedan.

If there were both, then very few would buy the hatch if any. Case in point Optra and SRV. Frankly I feel there is no business case for the SX4 hatch..it was primarily designed for Europe.

TeddyBear · 30th July 2008, 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by viper_711

The July ACI/Overdrive (don't remember which one!) says that MUL has no plans of bringing the SX4 hatch to India.

MUL's next plan is a sedan from Wagon R or Alto

neoranjit · 30th July 2008, 23:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by amit

The SX4 could have changed that and on paper showed potential but Maruti messed it up.

any why do you think so ?

No offence : but if maruti had a higher price tag and if had their spares extremely expensive ( like the 2000+ odd wheel cap cover from another thread ) , would the world have agreed that the sx4 was indeed a premium product ?

amit · 31st July 2008, 12:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by neoranjit

any why do you think so ?

No offence : but if maruti had a higher price tag and if had their spares extremely expensive ( like the 2000+ odd wheel cap cover from another thread ) , would the world have agreed that the sx4 was indeed a premium product ?

It has nothing to do with spares prices.

I own a SX4 and say this from expereince. To give just one example, the NVH is pretty poor for a car that costs Rs.8.xx lakhs.

29th July 2008, 22:55	#16
Ym-enjn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Jaipur Posts: 1,039 Thanked: 59 Times	Instead of brining a SX4 in diesel and 4X4 to make a sporty hatch, why don't they bring in a new generation of Gypsy? It will give them unimaginable volumes.
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30th July 2008, 10:18	#18
girishbhat Posts: n/a	Yes. It is the right time to bring back the Gypsy with diesel heart.
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30th July 2008, 10:29	#19
kcstheg BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: hyderabad Posts: 81 Thanked: 0 Times	We are talking about adding a diesel engine to make a hatch a sporty hatch... What has the indian automotive world come to ?
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30th July 2008, 11:27	#20
jkdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thiruvananthapu Posts: 9,687 Thanked: 1,492 Times View My Garage	To kill Fabia Skoda priced it way high and I dont think any Indian company takes Fabia as a competition. Need to find its sales figures.
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30th July 2008, 11:31	#21
amtak Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai - The city of Sea Link!!! Posts: 2,915 Thanked: 901 Times View My Garage	Fabia is selling in good numbers. I am also waiting for Vasudeva's figures but I can vouch for it that it is indeed selling in good numbers. Though it would be a wrong comparison but, I see 2 fabia's on the road as against 1 Getz despite Getz being a cheaper alternative. Not comparing the sales with Swift as I am sure, swift moves more swiftly as compared to Fabia!
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30th July 2008, 12:10	#22
maddy42 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Coorg Posts: 2,131 Thanked: 1,328 Times View My Garage	The hatch really looks good and i like the white color with the spoiler on it. Looks brilliant and will do better with a ddis in it
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30th July 2008, 12:43	#23
shankar.balan BANNED Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 11,368 Thanked: 23,158 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/2 (8)	The Fabia appeals to those who are well-heeled in terms of budget, are very quality conscious and dont mind paying for quality, want a luxury feel in their normal daily city runabouts and are also driven partially by ease of parking / city usage. It is clearly not a car for the mass market and will never outdo Swift/ Getz etc etc. Perhaps Skoda simply wants a presence in the luxe hatch market and doesnt seriously look at the same market segment as the Swift/ Getz etc do! SX4 as a hatch, if priced right, will be a very good option because of Marutis trusted image, good service network and generally inexpensive maintenance. Plus it will look very good with its aggressive and slightly higher SUV/ Crossover-like stance etc. Will definitely appeal. Take for example the SRV from Chevy - such a good looking car but killed totally by its initial pricing! Now despite the huge reductions in price, there are not many takers for the same!
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30th July 2008, 13:10	#24
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras/Py Posts: 7,556 Thanked: 502 Times View My Garage	Even if the SX4 hatch is 2 lakhs cheaper, the fabia crowd will not consider the SX4. Maruti & premium do not go hand in hand
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30th July 2008, 14:19	#25
groom BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 224 Thanked: 372 Times	Model name SX4 Body Type Hatchback Engine Petrol 1.5L 1.6L 1.6L VVT 2.0L Drive system 2WD 2WD / 4WD Number of doors 5 DIMENSIONS Overall length mm 4,100 (Urban) 4,140 (Outdoor) 4,115 (Urban) 4,135 (Outdoor) 4,100 (Urban) 4,135-4,140 (Outdoor) 4,115 (Urban) 4,135-4,163 (Outdoor) Overall width mm 1,730 (Urban) 1,755 (Outdoor) Overall height mm 1,555 (15 tyres) 1,565-1,605 (16 tyres/2WD) 1,585 (Urban) 1,605 (Outdoor: with roof rail) 1,555 (15 tyres) 1,565-1,605 (16 tyres/2WD) 1,620 (16 tyres/4WD) 1,575 (Urban) 1,605-1,630 (Outdoor) Wheelbase mm 2,500 Tread Front mm 1,500 / 1,495 1,500 / 1,495 1,500 / 1,495 (2WD) 1,495 / 1,495 (4WD) 1,495-1,500 (2WD) 1,495-1,500 / 1,495 (4WD) Rear mm Minimum turning radius m 5.3 Minimum ground learance mm 165-175 175 165-175 (2WD) 190 (4WD) 165-175 (2WD) 175-200 (4WD) CAPACITIES Seating capacity persons 5 Fuel tank capacity litres 50 45-50 ENGINE Type M15A (1,490) M16A (1,586) M16A VVT (1,586) J20A (1,995) Valve arrangement DOHC-16V Maximum output kW/rpm 73 / 5,600 74 / 5,600 75-79 / 5,600 107 / 5,800 Maximum torque N・m/rpm 133 / 4,100 140 / 4,000 165-175 (2WD) 190 (4WD) 165-175 (2WD) 175-200 (4WD) Fuel distribution Multipoint injection TRANSMISSION type 5MT 5MT / 4AT CHASSIS Brakes(Front) Ventilated disc Brakes(Rear) Drum,leading & trailling Suspension(Front) MacPherson strut & coil spring Suspension(Rear) Torsion beam & coil spring Tyres 195 / 65R15 205 / 60R16 WEIGHT Kerb weight M/T (min.)/(with full options) kg 1,130 / 1,185 1,180 / 1,205 1,130 / 1,185 1,200-1,270 / 1,235-1,295 Kerb weight A/T (min.)/(with full options) kg - 1,195 / 1,220 1,145-1,195 / 1,200-1,220 1,235-1,305 / 1,270-1,330 Gross vehicle weight kg 1,600 1,650 1,650 1,650-1,725 diesel specs ... Model name SX4 Body Type Hatchback Engine Diesel 1.6L DDiS 1.9L DDiS Drive system 2WD 2WD/4WD Number of doors 5 DIMENSIONS Overall length mm 4,100 (Urban) 4,140 (Outdoor) Overall width mm 1,730 (Urban) 1,755 (Outdoor) Overall height mm 1,555 (15 tyres) 1,565-1,605 (16 tyres/2WD) 1,555 (15 tyres) 1,565-1,605 (16 tyres/2WD) 1,620 (16 tyres/4WD) Wheelbase mm 2,500 Tread Front mm 1,500/1,495 1,500/1,495 (2WD) 1,495/1,495 (4WD) Rear mm Minimum turning radius m 5.3 Minimum ground learance mm 165-175 165-175 (2WD) 190 (4WD) CAPACITIES Seating capacity persons 5 Fuel tank capacity litres 50 ENGINE Type 9HX (1,560) D19AA (1,910) Valve arrangement 16V 1C-2V Maximum output kW/rpm 66/4,000 88/3,500 Maximum torque N・m/rpm 215/1,750 280/2,000 Fuel distribution Direct injection (Common rail) TRANSMISSION type 5MT 6MT CHASSIS Brakes(Front) Ventilated disc Brakes(Rear) Drum,leading & trailling Suspension(Front) MacPherson strut & coil spring Suspension(Rear) Torsion beam & coil spring Tyres 195/65R15 205/60R16 WEIGHT Kerb weight M/T (min.)/(with full options) kg 1,225/1,280 1,265-1,325/1,320-1,380 Kerb weight A/T (min.)/(with full options) kg - - Gross vehicle weight kg 1,700 1,790 even i keep seeing only hatchback sx4 in japan ... thats when it caught my eye and i posted this one ... belive me its AWESOME ... king of hatchbacks ... if one comes to india .. i would jump for it .. Last edited by Jaggu : 30th July 2008 at 14:36. Reason: Posts within 15 mts use edit
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30th July 2008, 16:46	#27
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,730 Times View My Garage	The only reason people buy Fabia hatch is because Fabia is not made as a sedan. They are mainly going for the badge, engine, quality interior and solid feel...plus their major gripe is that its not offered as a sedan. If there were both, then very few would buy the hatch if any. Case in point Optra and SRV. Frankly I feel there is no business case for the SX4 hatch..it was primarily designed for Europe.
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