Linea vs City Comparison Report

ragsri · 6th October 2009, 22:29

This is very good comparison. This is the first of a kind ownership report I've seen here, whereas the previous ones were only TD report. Good work omar!

mohan41 · 6th October 2009, 23:02

Great effort, its very nice and very useful comparison omar.
How do the two cars score on the under-thigh support (both front and rear seats)?

omar1310 · 6th October 2009, 23:04

Linea scores in back seat surely. IN the front seat, I guess both are at par

omar1310 · 6th October 2009, 23:12

I need to edit some small changes I made in the attachement, how do I do it? Any idea?

VahanPujari · 6th October 2009, 23:55

Omar

great compilation. And you're right, its straight out from an average common Indian car buyer hence more credible than any of the guru's or experts etc etc.

Voice of Customer straight from Horse's mouth. Can not get more authentic than this.

_raVan_ · 7th October 2009, 00:04

Very nice comparison and thanks for the PDF file.

Quote:

Originally Posted by omar1310

I need to edit some small changes I made in the attachement, how do I do it? Any idea?

You will have to edit the post, remove the attachment and reattach the modified attachment.

neotraveller · 7th October 2009, 00:32

Wonderful post Omar.
Since you own both cars, you are best person to give an un-biased opinion on what it takes to own either of the cars.

This thread should put to rest a lot of the ANHC vs Linea debates.

VahanPujari · 7th October 2009, 01:50

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Before making above statement, have you visited Linea Ownership threads of those owners who also own(ed) other more powerful cars & their views on Linea's power adequecy?

Wanna see? Here it is from someone who owns Maruti 800, Santro, Fiat Adventure, Honda City (2009) and now Linea --http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ml#post1517928

Another link-->> http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...iat-linea.html

And there are a few more here itself who owned Linea AND ANHC or the other "powerful" cars. Their view on adequecy of Linea's power/ performance & other parameters vis-a-vis their other cars are well documented right here.

EssYouWe · 7th October 2009, 02:04

@Untouchables

Guess what? Close your eyes for a moment & think. A 9-10 Lacs rupees worth premium C/ C+ segment sedan comes without Fog Lamps, a proper CD Player, ACC ? These equipments might not be important to some but to remain a "premium" car, these are like regular given equipments.

Dude, you should have at least read my earlier post. I was contending that the ANHC is over priced while GTO opined that it was under-specced.

What I wanted to imply was that for the 9-10 lac price and the premium sedan image portrayed, the vehicle does not seem VFM.

GTO's point about the OHC and the general premium paid for premium things is very valid. In the end, it is the consumer who decides on it. And I never hear an OHC owner complain about the premium he paid when he chose it over the other contemporaries at the time.
A car has to touch a string with you, if the note is right every price is justified.

Just like for me or VP or Amogh or FinneyP or any other Fiat lover, the Linea is the perfect car despite of scopes for improvement, same is the case for Honda owners.

Superleggera · 7th October 2009, 02:55

Wonderful post Omar. I really feel the review is unbaised and you are clear on the points. Thanks !!

SkyWalker · 7th October 2009, 07:47

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Originally Posted by Untouchables09

Guess what? Close your eyes for a moment & think. A 9-10 Lacs rupees worth premium C/ C+ segment sedan comes without Fog Lamps, a proper CD Player, ACC ? These equipments might not be important to some but to remain a "premium" car, these are like regular given equipments.

As far as i am concerned, the biggest problem with the Linea is consistent quality. There are a dozens of ownership threads around for Linea and i am hard pressed to find one without some niggling issues. Compare that to the ANHC ownership threads and see how many issues they report. FIAT's gotta fix that - premium car owners don't want to hit the service station every second week for fixing some issue.

I have had some discussions with Linea owners and some prospective Linea buyers and there's been a lot of mention about poor quality plastics - and they aren't even in TBHP.

Now - you can call me as a Honda hooligan since i own an ANHC, but if you look at the beginning of this thread i have been called a FIAT fan since i own a Palio

rajivn · 7th October 2009, 08:22

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Originally Posted by SkyWalker

As far as i am concerned, the biggest problem with the Linea is consistent quality. There are a dozens of ownership threads around for Linea and i am hard pressed to find one without some niggling issues. Compare that to the ANHC ownership threads and see how many issues they report. FIAT's gotta fix that - premium car owners don't want to hit the service station every second week for fixing some issue.

I have had some discussions with Linea owners and some prospective Linea buyers and there's been a lot of mention about poor quality plastics - and they aren't even in TBHP.

Now - you can call me as a Honda hooligan since i own an ANHC, but if you look at the beginning of this thread i have been called a FIAT fan since i own a Palio

You made a point there - consistent quality is missing in Linea. Its a lovely car but then it has acquired the characteristics of a Tata vehicle now. I was one prospective buyer myself but couldnt take the plunge because of these small issues that never seemed to stop cropping up. A test drive vehicle that had 14k on ODO, had panel gaps, seat height adjustment lever broken off and placed neatly next to the seat and driver arm rest was loose, opening and closing of glove box dint give the right feeling and seat fabric was torn in a place or two.

This is not going impress anyone. Agreed its not been maintained well and with maintenance one can avoid these issues. But my reading or anyone else reading would be, so without much maintenance the car would reach this condition by the time one hits 14k kms.

aaggoswami · 7th October 2009, 08:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by omar1310

I need to edit some small changes I made in the attachement, how do I do it? Any idea?

The best option is to convert the file into word through many of the freewares available. Then upload the file in another post.

BTW, my question remains, Linea will have better headlight performance, but how much better than G3HC ?

vineet_k21 · 7th October 2009, 09:04

This thread reminds me of numerous heated discussions on my company's bulletin board - who's better - Tendulkar or Lara or Ponting or Ganguly or Dravid !!!!

I think every person has a different way of looking at car he buys - based on his requirements / experiences / affordability / risk appetite et al. Somebody loves only Arrow shirts; some may have to settle down for a Peter England!!

I was all set to buy a ANHC and hadn't even looked at Linea but the sales experience at Honda put me off so much that I decided to wait before writing a cheque. That's when I bumped into Linea and realized the superb rear-seat comfort and many other features (simple things like CD player) which were lacking in ANHC (but important for me). Add to that you save 1.5 Lac straight away albeit risk of buying a Gambhir against a Tendulkar as someone quoted. But then all of us make compromises all the time. So I don't regret it!

For the niggling issues part - I guess Lineans were too vocal, excited and being new car wanted to check with others for any patterns/trends. ANHC owners being silent doesn't necessarily mean vehicle doesn't have problems.

For me, I like both the cars. City was a dream car at one point for me, but now I'm proud of my Linea, appreciate City at a traffic signal or parking lot and then move on! To each his own :-)

aarenes · 7th October 2009, 09:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by vineet_k21

This thread reminds me of numerous heated discussions on my company's bulletin board - who's better - Tendulkar or Lara or Ponting or Ganguly or Dravid !!!!

I think every person has a different way of looking at car he buys - based on his requirements / experiences / affordability / risk appetite et al. Somebody loves only Arrow shirts; some may have to settle down for a Peter England!!

I was all set to buy a ANHC and hadn't even looked at Linea but the sales experience at Honda put me off so much that I decided to wait before writing a cheque. That's when I bumped into Linea and realized the superb rear-seat comfort and many other features (simple things like CD player) which were lacking in ANHC (but important for me). Add to that you save 1.5 Lac straight away albeit risk of buying a Gambhir against a Tendulkar as someone quoted. But then all of us make compromises all the time. So I don't regret it!

For the niggling issues part - I guess Lineans were too vocal, excited and being new car wanted to check with others for any patterns/trends. ANHC owners being silent doesn't necessarily mean vehicle doesn't have problems.

For me, I like both the cars. City was a dream car at one point for me, but now I'm proud of my Linea, appreciate City at a traffic signal or parking lot and then move on! To each his own :-)

+1 to this. Or rather Amen to this.

Could not have put it better - sometimes you take risk and reap rewards (Gambhir versus Tendulkar). Different folks look at different value propositions.

Linea has sold over 10,000 cars so certainly Fiat is on its comeback trail and hopefully things only improve in the years to come.

Honda City is a great car too. It has it perks and share of quirks but overall has done better from the start. Kudos to that.

At the end, there is a market for everything and as long as the product has more positives than negatives, it will sell.

View Poll Results: What petrol C segment sedan would you buy?
Honda City 1.5 iVtec	113	55.39%
Fiat Linea 1.4 Fire	91	44.61%
Voters: 204. You may not vote on this poll

6th October 2009, 22:29	#691
ragsri Newbie Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17 Thanked: 0 Times	This is very good comparison. This is the first of a kind ownership report I've seen here, whereas the previous ones were only TD report. Good work omar!
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6th October 2009, 23:02	#692
mohan41 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 527 Thanked: 218 Times	Great effort, its very nice and very useful comparison omar. How do the two cars score on the under-thigh support (both front and rear seats)?
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6th October 2009, 23:04	#693
omar1310 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 146 Thanked: 7 Times	Linea scores in back seat surely. IN the front seat, I guess both are at par
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6th October 2009, 23:12	#694
omar1310 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 146 Thanked: 7 Times	I need to edit some small changes I made in the attachement, how do I do it? Any idea? Last edited by omar1310 : 6th October 2009 at 23:17. Reason: added few words
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6th October 2009, 23:55	#695
VahanPujari BANNED Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,308 Thanked: 8 Times	Omar great compilation. And you're right, its straight out from an average common Indian car buyer hence more credible than any of the guru's or experts etc etc. Voice of Customer straight from Horse's mouth. Can not get more authentic than this.
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7th October 2009, 00:32	#697
neotraveller BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 739 Thanked: 0 Times	Wonderful post Omar. Since you own both cars, you are best person to give an un-biased opinion on what it takes to own either of the cars. This thread should put to rest a lot of the ANHC vs Linea debates.
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7th October 2009, 02:04	#699
EssYouWe Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lucknow Posts: 1,391 Thanked: 18 Times	@Untouchables Guess what? Close your eyes for a moment & think. A 9-10 Lacs rupees worth premium C/ C+ segment sedan comes without Fog Lamps, a proper CD Player, ACC ? These equipments might not be important to some but to remain a "premium" car, these are like regular given equipments. Dude, you should have at least read my earlier post. I was contending that the ANHC is over priced while GTO opined that it was under-specced. What I wanted to imply was that for the 9-10 lac price and the premium sedan image portrayed, the vehicle does not seem VFM. GTO's point about the OHC and the general premium paid for premium things is very valid. In the end, it is the consumer who decides on it. And I never hear an OHC owner complain about the premium he paid when he chose it over the other contemporaries at the time. A car has to touch a string with you, if the note is right every price is justified. Just like for me or VP or Amogh or FinneyP or any other Fiat lover, the Linea is the perfect car despite of scopes for improvement, same is the case for Honda owners.
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7th October 2009, 02:55	#700
Superleggera BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kannur/Boston Posts: 531 Thanked: 816 Times View My Garage	Wonderful post Omar. I really feel the review is unbaised and you are clear on the points. Thanks !!
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7th October 2009, 09:04	#704
vineet_k21 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 101 Thanked: 17 Times	This thread reminds me of numerous heated discussions on my company's bulletin board - who's better - Tendulkar or Lara or Ponting or Ganguly or Dravid !!!! I think every person has a different way of looking at car he buys - based on his requirements / experiences / affordability / risk appetite et al. Somebody loves only Arrow shirts; some may have to settle down for a Peter England!! I was all set to buy a ANHC and hadn't even looked at Linea but the sales experience at Honda put me off so much that I decided to wait before writing a cheque. That's when I bumped into Linea and realized the superb rear-seat comfort and many other features (simple things like CD player) which were lacking in ANHC (but important for me). Add to that you save 1.5 Lac straight away albeit risk of buying a Gambhir against a Tendulkar as someone quoted. But then all of us make compromises all the time. So I don't regret it! For the niggling issues part - I guess Lineans were too vocal, excited and being new car wanted to check with others for any patterns/trends. ANHC owners being silent doesn't necessarily mean vehicle doesn't have problems. For me, I like both the cars. City was a dream car at one point for me, but now I'm proud of my Linea, appreciate City at a traffic signal or parking lot and then move on! To each his own :-)
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