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Originally Posted by Untouchables09 Guys - after how many days, my posts can get posted directly without getting thro' approval route delays? is there any specific cap? |
The FAQ / Announcement section is your best friend.
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It seems when we compare absolute numbers, it looks smaller than others hence we tend to discard it as a failure. But is it?
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Umm, please stop by my September sales analysis for an informed opinion on the industrys performance. No one is discarding any car as a failure.
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Fair enough. Everybody has certain likings. Someone else might go for Linea over ANHC. Nothing wrong that the opinions differ.
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You know what? The posts on this thread (& may be that ANHC ad) made me think if at all Linea should be selling at all or not. Seriously. Below is what many have listed here (I may not necassarily agree with some):
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Nothing new in there. You have listed the typical apprehensions of the Indian customer. And some of them are justified, keeping Fiat's history in mind. A car forms the second largest cost center for most families (after the house). Who would NOT want to play it safe? It is absolutely justified.
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May be. But still I have a doubt that the logic that ANHC is VFM because it sells more has some disconnect somewhere (shall share a few possible reasons later) – because the logic also implies that SX4 (& may be other cars in the segment) is/are not VFM (& overpriced for the value offered).
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Well, I (and the market it seems) even see a 20 lakh Fortuner as VFM. Even if you leave aside VFM in its absolute terms, I do think that the Honda City / Toyota Innova / Fortuner etc. are well worth the premium.
Evidently, the mass market seems to agree as they are the ones talking with their cheque book (and not keyboard).
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If I were to buy one of these 2 cars today, I’ll buy Linea, pocket Rs. 1.75 Lacs to 2 Lacs savings, invest it wisely & do below for next 4 years:
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Opportunity cost rocks! You betcha. We can extend the same actually to any car. For example, the Dzire may well work out 5 lakhs cheaper once we bring in the opportunity costs.
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Have driven my relative’s Linea often & am comfortable with the power.
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The question on hand isn't of being comfortable. Of course it does the job, even my Indigo TDi does. I spoke of my preference where I love fast cars and will choose the ANHC for its 50% better performance (acceleration times), among a host of other things.
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Peace of Mind/ Reliability etc – I agree with many who have mentioned that most modern cars today are reliable.
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Most modern cars are reliable, yes. But the ones on top are the Japanese alongwith the Koreans. Indian & Italian cars have their own share of niggles. Something that many people find annoying. One aspect that I find most satisfying about my Honda City is that I send her only once a year to Linkway for scheduled jobs. Today, after 7 years of ownership, the precision in build is such that I have ZERO niggles in the car standing downstairs. It just works and works, without a single part gone loose or malfunction. Compare that to brand new Lineas which come with their own share of niggles, ill fitted parts etc.
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Sorry. I’m an average Indian car buyer, very average & hence the calculations. *Shying*
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The market performance seems to demonstrate that 4 times the number of *average car buyers* choose a Honda City over the Fiat Linea.
For the record, I don't think the Linea is suited for, or even targets, the average car buyer at all!!. Its for someone who has that side to him in appreciating the high speed dynamics, gizmos, Euro build quality etc .
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Originally Posted by ACM the pricing, engines, brand name (FIAT), and perceived quality have kept it a segment lower. |
Some decisive point in there, don't you think?
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but then also affected would be the Icon, Accent, Fiesta Base spec, Verna, dZIRE, & SX4 segement.
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A main disadvantage / difference that is overlooked : The Manza will NOT be sold in the same showrooms as the Ikon, Accent, Fiesta and Dzire. However, the Linea will be sharing the same real estate.
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Possbly the VFM association being with both Manza and Linea will draw the linea (UNFAIRLY)
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There is nothing unfair in the real world marketplace. At the end of the day, its the customers who put their money where their mouth is, thats the only thing thats fair at the end of the day.
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Consumer mindset is so hard to predict.
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Totally agreed! The Estilo example, as you cited, and the other extreme is the i20! 4,000 cars in September. Man!
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Originally Posted by finneyp That settles it for the Manza!
It will be positioned in the C segment, with the likes of Dzire, Ikon etc. |
Actually, it doesn't settle it and the Manza will be the biggest threat to the Linea. I can't offer more details for obvious reasons at this time (info based only on rumours, but sources are reliable). All I can say is, wait until next week.