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Originally Posted by StarVegabond If in absolute terms in a country, Oranges are consumed much much more than Apples (month on month, everymonth) then one can surely conclude Orange is more popular and preferred by consumers. |
Absolute out of the box thinking. Thanks for sharing, I (and am sure many others) thoroughly enjoy such posts.
You only missed out on one point : The best seller is also priced higher. Still it manages to maintain its top position month after month. The person who talks with his cheque book is making a stronger point than one with a keyboard. Note : This is something that the Honda City has maintained since nearly every year of introduction. Of course, they have also been the most pro-active with frequent model upgrades. Third all new City in 10 years, while the OHC / NHC and even ANHC have had some updates from time to time in their production years.
Ask any OHC / NHC owner today if they think they overpaid? The fact is, after several years of ownership, nope we don't think so. The ANHC costs nearly the same as the OHC Vtec did 10 years back. Whats the price of a newer generation? Ask Maruti which sells the Ritz (int'l wagonR replacement) at 75 grand more, or Skoda (Laura is the new Octavia) at 3 lakhs more. Honda & Toyota always give us the latest products. Toyota even discontinued the Qualis at a time when it was the segment leader!
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Originally Posted by anachronix Atleast the TDCi is good upto 120KMPH which is good enough safe speed that could be done in our Indian roads? |
Sure is. But as I stated earlier, the TDCi is a terrible benchmark to start with when talking of performance. While the refinement + fuel efficiency are top grade, it is SLOW and known to require effort on the highway.
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Originally Posted by Ram_NP May be AHNC owners do not have much to write in rather than normal service details and their driving experience. |
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Or as i say its too boring that dont have anything much to report just kidding.
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To be honest, there have been hardly any updates on my OHC thread in two years. Reason : There is NOTHING to update. Whatever I have posted already in terms of the engine, driving experience and reliability still stays. The car just goes on working and working with one scheduled maintenance visit to Linkway Honda each year.
Compare that to my Benz thread
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Originally Posted by Jaggu Only this i would disagree, niggles doesn't mean you have to find an accommodation near to the A.S.S. This is where the perceptions are built and sometimes blown out of proportion. |
Yes, that accomodation comment is surely an exagerration. However, what isn't an exagerration is that my 7 year old OHC has ZERO niggles, and brand new Fiats seem to have their own share. I don't know if I'd be happy with niggles in my brand new car. The only new car in my family which has had such niggles is the Tata Indigo.
Lets accept that Fiat has priced the Linea well. Sure, they have BUT at the cost of compromise. It was their comeback car and its a fact that the Linea is currently running on wafer thin margins. The compromise? Engine + fit / finish / quality. In fact, its priced so low that Fiat has already started making revisions to the original launch price.
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Originally Posted by extreme_torque What worked for Honda City were the engine power (I still love that 1.5L 100 bhp engine), fuel average and reliability and that built the brand which was already strong in India. |
No doubt.
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European cars like Astra were at disadvantage straightaway because they were heavier so not as efficient but had the ride and handling and interiors to die for but what happened to the brand? There are countless other examples.
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Don't overlook the fact that the first gen Astra had a TERRIBLE engine. Opel quickly updated in 2 - 3 years. However, once the Astra ran high miles, the upkeep was so bad that it all but ruined the Opel brand in India. Get this : GM discontinued the Opel brand altogether in favour of Chevy.
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Another good example would be Skoda and you will agree that Octavia has been a reasonable success. The Skoda brand was built on the fuel efficiency aspect of the 1.9 TDi so much so that people overlooked the shocking A$$ and maintenance costs.
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Do you know that the first Skoda workshop in Mumbai ran on a generator? Still, the Octavia was a heck of a car for its time and deserved the success it got. Too bad that went to Skodas head. I sincerely hope they make amends because the Superb (and Laura too) is such a fantastic machine. It deserves better customer support.
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Even an Indica Diesel engine survives for around 2 lakh kilometers and it rarely sees the authorized service center
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LOL! I as an Indigo owner can tell you its the exact opposite. Sure, we'll hear of the odd Indica owner that had no problems for 1.5 lakh kms, but we are NOT considering the reliability of one car. Rather, we are evaluating that model over 1000 - 10000 examples. No manufacturer becomes a genius at making a handful of zero-trouble cars, respect to the ones who do it with 50,000 cars. And a majority of Indicas / Indigos have frequent niggles & problems. I hear that the Vista has been a step ahead, but too early in the day to comment. Few Vistas have run 50,000 kms.