SIAM / ARAI Fuel Efficiency Figures (Now with Jan 2011 Data - pg6)

Firebird · 2nd September 2009, 15:00

I generally dont think of FE, however these numbers would surely provide a comparisn beetwen models.

New sedan dream is fast catching me every night with Fiesta 1.6 SXi, however when I see that the Verna VTVT which is not atall known for anything except soft suspenstion and ultra silent NVH has passed Fiesta by a bigger 3 KMPL margin makes me think how would those standard test condition translate to the normal driving condition.

A simple mathematics can factor out for the standard test condition, still I am not able to digest that the Verna is more efficient than Fiesta.

The Variable Valve Timing must be helping Verna to gain more FE

srijit · 2nd September 2009, 15:02

I dont care, as long as all vehicles were tested in the same conditions. If so, then I can glean the necessary info from the results, myself.

ACM · 2nd September 2009, 15:09

The figures may vary but the cars named seem correct except that I would assume the fiesta diesel to score over the Verna diesel - so that is a surprise.

shatrughna · 2nd September 2009, 16:21

The real life FE of cars will rarely match the SIAM figures due to well known variables and most importantly the foot thats on the pedal and the street conditions.

extreme_torque · 2nd September 2009, 16:38

Difficult to digest Verna petrol is more fuel efficient than ANHC. Any Verna Petrol owners here?

vasudeva · 2nd September 2009, 16:54

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Originally Posted by extreme_torque

Difficult to digest Verna petrol is more fuel efficient than ANHC. Any Verna Petrol owners here?

Perhaps will have to ask SIAM about this.

I think these figs are useful for comparison sake, and could be useful only if consumers do not start estimating their fuel costs on this basis. What I am trying to say that under test conditions, say car A gives 15 and car B gives 12. That means that car A is more FE, and in normal conditions (seen on Indian roads), both will have lower FE than advertised, but that perhaps car A will still be more FE than car B.

MileCruncher · 2nd September 2009, 17:01

Does anybody know the SIAM fuel efficiency figures for the Bolero CRDe as these figures are not there with the dealer or its staff.

vikrantj · 2nd September 2009, 17:05

Well instead of taking these numbers as accurate , it will be a good idea if these numbers are taken in a comparative sense i.e compare efficiency of one car to another, then probably the numbers will be useful.

akhilesh51 · 2nd September 2009, 17:19

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Originally Posted by Firebird

I generally dont think of FE, however these numbers would surely provide a comparison between models.

Believe me, there are lot of cars springing such surprises like i10 (also from Hyundai Stable) is more fuel efficient in 1.2 Kappa engine than 1.1 engine.

Tata DiCOR engines being most fuel efficient was in itself a very big surprise.

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Originally Posted by Firebird

A simple mathematics can factor out for the standard test condition, still I am not able to digest that the Verna is more efficient than Fiesta.

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Originally Posted by ACM

The figures may vary but the cars named seem correct except that I would assume the fiesta diesel to score over the Verna diesel - so that is a surprise.

Hyundai has been spending big bucks lately to bring down maintenance & overall ownership costs of their cars. This has resulted in much better engines which are also very fuel-efficient and capable mile-crunchers.

On the other hand, Honda (with all due respect to Honda owners) has been taking Indian market for granted. Their reliability issues are growing increasingly and there has been little improvement in performance of their cars vis-a-vis previous models.

I seriously hope they wake up to the challenge posed by Hyundai or they may lose their superiority very soon.

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Originally Posted by MileCruncher

Does anybody know the SIAM fuel efficiency figures for the Bolero CRDe as these figures are not there with the dealer or its staff.

Bolero CRDe figures would be very similar to those of Scorpio engines.

romeomidhun · 2nd September 2009, 17:23

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Originally Posted by akhilesh51

Hyundai has been spending big bucks lately to bring down maintenance & overall ownership costs of their cars.

Just see the pricing of Hyundai cars i10, i20 and Verna once again! And the mileage of i10 1.2 also.

arunpn · 6th September 2009, 15:32

That means the most fuel efficient cars are from House of Tatas (of course if we include Nano).

sanagg1 · 8th September 2009, 10:53

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Originally Posted by arunpn

That means the most fuel efficient cars are from House of Tatas (of course if we include Nano).

And why not ? NANO has created the maximum interest on a global scale for any given automobile so far. It is indeed a marvelous engineering feat. We should be happy to give the crown to Nano most deservedly

cheers

vasudeva · 8th September 2009, 10:56

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Originally Posted by sanagg1

And why not ? NANO has created the maximum interest on a global scale for any given automobile so far. It is indeed a marvelous engineering feat. We should be happy to give the crown to Nano most deservedly

cheers

It is indeed a marvelous engineering feat with regards to production. However, without seeing it on the road and considering its long term reliability, this statement is premature. Engineering does not simply equal low cost production.

bageherath · 9th September 2009, 12:48

The FE figures are not perfect...no way can Verna diesel gives more FE than Fiesta Diesel and ust look how can Swift diesel and Dezire diesel give same FE?

Most of the FE shown by companies is not true, as these FE list is given by respective companies not validated for consistency

bageherath · 9th September 2009, 12:59

I forgot to highlight this - it never said SIAM test conditions only says declared by member companies.

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2nd September 2009, 15:00	#16
Firebird BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai / EC1M 3NH Posts: 470 Thanked: 65 Times View My Garage	I generally dont think of FE, however these numbers would surely provide a comparisn beetwen models. New sedan dream is fast catching me every night with Fiesta 1.6 SXi, however when I see that the Verna VTVT which is not atall known for anything except soft suspenstion and ultra silent NVH has passed Fiesta by a bigger 3 KMPL margin makes me think how would those standard test condition translate to the normal driving condition. A simple mathematics can factor out for the standard test condition, still I am not able to digest that the Verna is more efficient than Fiesta. The Variable Valve Timing must be helping Verna to gain more FE
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2nd September 2009, 15:02	#17
srijit BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 598 Thanked: 8 Times	I dont care, as long as all vehicles were tested in the same conditions. If so, then I can glean the necessary info from the results, myself.
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2nd September 2009, 15:09	#18
ACM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 4,745 Thanked: 4,361 Times View My Garage	The figures may vary but the cars named seem correct except that I would assume the fiesta diesel to score over the Verna diesel - so that is a surprise.
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2nd September 2009, 16:21	#19
shatrughna BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 894 Thanked: 68 Times	The real life FE of cars will rarely match the SIAM figures due to well known variables and most importantly the foot thats on the pedal and the street conditions.
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2nd September 2009, 16:38	#20
extreme_torque Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Melbourne Posts: 4,377 Thanked: 5,105 Times	Difficult to digest Verna petrol is more fuel efficient than ANHC. Any Verna Petrol owners here?
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2nd September 2009, 17:01	#22
MileCruncher Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: MH01 Posts: 4,235 Thanked: 592 Times View My Garage	Does anybody know the SIAM fuel efficiency figures for the Bolero CRDe as these figures are not there with the dealer or its staff.
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2nd September 2009, 17:05	#23
vikrantj BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 628 Thanked: 568 Times	Well instead of taking these numbers as accurate , it will be a good idea if these numbers are taken in a comparative sense i.e compare efficiency of one car to another, then probably the numbers will be useful.
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6th September 2009, 15:32	#26
arunpn BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Nagercoil Posts: 65 Thanked: Once	That means the most fuel efficient cars are from House of Tatas (of course if we include Nano).
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9th September 2009, 12:48	#29
bageherath BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 218 Thanked: 700 Times	The FE figures are not perfect...no way can Verna diesel gives more FE than Fiesta Diesel and ust look how can Swift diesel and Dezire diesel give same FE? Most of the FE shown by companies is not true, as these FE list is given by respective companies not validated for consistency
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9th September 2009, 12:59	#30
bageherath BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 218 Thanked: 700 Times	I forgot to highlight this - it never said SIAM test conditions only says declared by member companies.
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