Official Guess the car Thread (Please see rules on first page!)

Ram · 15th October 2009, 02:29

ID:684 is a 1962 Москвич 407.

The Moskvich 407 was powered by a 1358 cc 4-cylinder engine putting out 45 bhp.

These cars were made from 1958 to 1964.
1960 onwards the gearbox had 4-speeds with column shift.
Top speed was 115 km/h.

Ram

FourWheelDrift · 15th October 2009, 07:59

ID:680 Ram, thanks for elucidating on your thought process in identifying the car.

Nice post, agspins.

Cheers,

FourWheelDrift

AltoHoncho · 15th October 2009, 10:44

OT
@ Ram: Do you work for CIA / Interpol. Or have you developed an image search engine so strong that you get the precise pic everytime and hence you not only identify the car but the backgrounds as well.

Ram for you it shouldnt be "Identify the Car" rather "Identify the background / place" where the pic is taken.

Great work sir.

agspins · 15th October 2009, 11:02

Excellent Ram sir...i knew that Living Encyclopedia of Cars will catch it ....

vw splitscreen · 15th October 2009, 13:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ram

ID:684 is a 1962 Москвич 407.

The Moskvich 407 was powered by a 1358 cc 4-cylinder engine putting out 45 bhp.

These cars were made from 1958 to 1964.
1960 onwards the gearbox had 4-speeds with column shift.
Top speed was 115 km/h.

Ram

Correct Ram,this is a 62 GAZ MZMA 407 Moskvich seadan

Ram · 15th October 2009, 15:08

ID:685
Year, Make and Model of this coupé?

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karlosdeville · 15th October 2009, 15:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ram

ID:685
Year, Make and Model of this coupé?

This menacing looking coupé is a Spanish Pegaso - I'm afraid that's where my limits are.

OT - India was rumoured to have had 2 Pegaso with some royal family. Not traceable today.

predatorwheelz · 15th October 2009, 15:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlosdeville

This menacing looking coupé is a Spanish Pegaso - I'm afraid that's where my limits are.

I"m risking my neck here (not that it matters), but a hunch tells me I've seen this car (pic) somewhere and its not what you mentioned. Will continue to think on this till Ram clarifies.

V-16 · 15th October 2009, 16:00

ID:685 is the Pagaso Z102 B

MAde between 1951-58 it was sold with three engines options: 2.5, 2.8 and 3.2. Though the output figures were not published, it was believed that the range was between 175-250 bhp. From 53 turbocharged versions were available with one or two turbo charges.

Regarding ID:680Well it was strikingly similar it the Alpine A 106, especially the wheels, the C pillar and the rear glass on the C pillar are almost identical. Only missing are the ait vents below the rear quarter glass. Even the front fogs are integrated o the bumper, almost alike in both cars.

Apal on the other hand, a Belgium company, mainly made replicas, of the Porsche-Abarth and built majority of its sports coupes and soft tops on VW beetle chassis.

Good one Agspins, as usual.

Now this thread is looking up again.

Also both the Peugeot and the Moskovich were previously posted...... but what the heck, go on its fun!!

@ Ram- check out the similarity between the Jeep Wagoneer and the Lark wagon.

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V-16 · 15th October 2009, 16:49

ID 685 looks to be one of the earlier ones say 51-52??
Notice the odd gearshift sequence of the Pegaso.

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predatorwheelz · 15th October 2009, 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by V-16

ID:685 is the Pagaso Z102 B

MAde between 1951-58 it was sold with three engines options: 2.5, 2.8 and 3.2. Though the output figures were not published, it was believed that the range was between 175-250 bhp. From 53 turbocharged versions were available with one or two turbo charges.

Quote:

Originally Posted by V-16

ID 685 looks to be one of the earlier ones say 51-52??
Notice the odd gearshift sequence of the Pegaso.

Too much detail on the car Gogi Bhai, while I feel I'm playing High Stakes as we wait for Ram to clarify. ITS NOT A PEGASO! Either I'll be proved wrong, or you just did too much data mining for nothing

.

V-16 · 15th October 2009, 17:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by predatorwheelz

Too much detail on the car Gogi Bhai, while I feel I'm playing High Stakes as we wait for Ram to clarify. ITS NOT A PEGASO! Either I'll be proved wrong, or you just did too much data mining for nothing

.

Its a Pegaso Z102 B allright!! I can give you more detail but Ram will whack me for it.

Now im in my office with a larger screen on the laptop not speculating with a tiny image from my BB.

Can regognize the car even with the door closed and looks better in the sepia colour rather than its original fruit coloured avatar. Now even Ram is trying stunts

Ram · 15th October 2009, 17:19

Actually ID:685 is a Pegaso,
but Gogi, you were not right about the newer Z102 "B" which had sharper features and an alloy body.

ID:685 is a 1951 Pegaso Z102 (not the later B Berlinetta)
This early body was steel on a steel chassis.

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The Z-102 was wholly produced by Pegaso at Barcelona.
It had a quad-cam all-alloy V8 engine, dry-sump lubrication, and a combo transaxle: 5-speed non-synchromesh gearbox plus differential as one unit.

Pegaso Z102 B 2.8 Saoutchik Coupé
Gogi, here is your alloy-bodied Pegaso Z102B. It was ID:568 on this thread in January 2009

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Ram

predatorwheelz · 15th October 2009, 17:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ram

Actually ID:685 is a Pegaso,

Boo hoo hoo! I lost, I lost. Woe is me.

V-16 · 15th October 2009, 18:02

Actually Ram id rather believe what you say, than Wiki or the web. Somewhere someone has put a similar looking car on Flickr stating it to be a 1957 but i thought otherwise too and mentioned that it looked like an earlier model.

Regarding the B, it was too late to correct my post. After posting my answer i stumbled upon the actual pic of the orange car but was very exited having found your posted pic and didnt realise i had again mentioned it as a Berlinetta.

Good one Ram.

Sorry Aniket!!

15th October 2009, 02:29	#3226
Ram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur Posts: 2,166 Thanked: 223 Times View My Garage	ID:684; 1962 Moskvich (Москвич) 407 ID:684 is a 1962 Москвич 407. The Moskvich 407 was powered by a 1358 cc 4-cylinder engine putting out 45 bhp. These cars were made from 1958 to 1964. 1960 onwards the gearbox had 4-speeds with column shift. Top speed was 115 km/h. Ram
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15th October 2009, 07:59	#3227
FourWheelDrift BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mumbai/PNW Posts: 634 Thanked: 569 Times	ID:680 Ram, thanks for elucidating on your thought process in identifying the car. Nice post, agspins. Cheers, FourWheelDrift Last edited by FourWheelDrift : 15th October 2009 at 08:03.
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AltoHoncho BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 581 Thanked: 15 Times View My Garage	OT @ Ram: Do you work for CIA / Interpol. Or have you developed an image search engine so strong that you get the precise pic everytime and hence you not only identify the car but the backgrounds as well. Ram for you it shouldnt be "Identify the Car" rather "Identify the background / place" where the pic is taken. Great work sir.
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15th October 2009, 11:02	#3229
agspins Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MH-31 Posts: 1,660 Thanked: 532 Times View My Garage	Excellent Ram sir...i knew that Living Encyclopedia of Cars will catch it ....
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15th October 2009, 15:08	#3231
Ram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur Posts: 2,166 Thanked: 223 Times View My Garage	Id:685 ID:685 Year, Make and Model of this coupé?
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15th October 2009, 16:00	#3234
V-16 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: mumbai Posts: 4,594 Thanked: 960 Times View My Garage	ID:685 is the Pagaso Z102 B MAde between 1951-58 it was sold with three engines options: 2.5, 2.8 and 3.2. Though the output figures were not published, it was believed that the range was between 175-250 bhp. From 53 turbocharged versions were available with one or two turbo charges. Regarding ID:680Well it was strikingly similar it the Alpine A 106, especially the wheels, the C pillar and the rear glass on the C pillar are almost identical. Only missing are the ait vents below the rear quarter glass. Even the front fogs are integrated o the bumper, almost alike in both cars. Apal on the other hand, a Belgium company, mainly made replicas, of the Porsche-Abarth and built majority of its sports coupes and soft tops on VW beetle chassis. Good one Agspins, as usual. Now this thread is looking up again. Also both the Peugeot and the Moskovich were previously posted...... but what the heck, go on its fun!! @ Ram- check out the similarity between the Jeep Wagoneer and the Lark wagon. Last edited by V-16 : 15th October 2009 at 16:16.
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15th October 2009, 16:49	#3235
V-16 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: mumbai Posts: 4,594 Thanked: 960 Times View My Garage	ID 685 looks to be one of the earlier ones say 51-52?? Notice the odd gearshift sequence of the Pegaso. Last edited by V-16 : 15th October 2009 at 16:53. Reason: add pic
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15th October 2009, 17:19	#3238
Ram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur Posts: 2,166 Thanked: 223 Times View My Garage	ID:685; 1951 Pegaso Z102 Actually ID:685 is a Pegaso, but Gogi, you were not right about the newer Z102 "B" which had sharper features and an alloy body. ID:685 is a 1951 Pegaso Z102 (not the later B Berlinetta) This early body was steel on a steel chassis. The Z-102 was wholly produced by Pegaso at Barcelona. It had a quad-cam all-alloy V8 engine, dry-sump lubrication, and a combo transaxle: 5-speed non-synchromesh gearbox plus differential as one unit. Pegaso Z102 B 2.8 Saoutchik Coupé Gogi, here is your alloy-bodied Pegaso Z102B. It was ID:568 on this thread in January 2009 Ram
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15th October 2009, 18:02	#3240
V-16 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: mumbai Posts: 4,594 Thanked: 960 Times View My Garage	Actually Ram id rather believe what you say, than Wiki or the web. Somewhere someone has put a similar looking car on Flickr stating it to be a 1957 but i thought otherwise too and mentioned that it looked like an earlier model. Regarding the B, it was too late to correct my post. After posting my answer i stumbled upon the actual pic of the orange car but was very exited having found your posted pic and didnt realise i had again mentioned it as a Berlinetta. Good one Ram. Sorry Aniket!!
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