F1 - Hungarian GP - 2009

kbk_75 · 26th July 2009, 12:05

Actually, this is where I disagree with what Steve Slater was saying on Star Sports (and I often disagree with the old man!)...the engine was not revving at high revs for sure. Don't forget high revs in an F1 car would be 15,000 - 18,000 rpm and the engine SCREAMS at those revs.

For sure the accelerator pedal was depressed in Massa's Ferrari, but it was certainly not at WOT like some people seem to believe.

anachronix · 26th July 2009, 12:12

A shocking accident! Thank God, Massa is safe.

I am not sure how this could be avoided in future. But safety for sure should be validated on this perspective!

pranavt · 26th July 2009, 12:23

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Originally Posted by kbk_75

Actually, this is where I disagree with what Steve Slater was saying on Star Sports (and I often disagree with the old man!)...the engine was not revving at high revs for sure. Don't forget high revs in an F1 car would be 15,000 - 18,000 rpm and the engine SCREAMS at those revs.

For sure the accelerator pedal was depressed in Massa's Ferrari, but it was certainly not at WOT like some people seem to believe.

That man doesn't think twice before talking. But still, when the spring hit Massa, both his legs did depress both the pedals completely. Check the videos for replays. They show the G and Throttle/Brake gadget on the left. You can see both the pedals completely pressed.

gpa · 26th July 2009, 12:36

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Buddy, it's a career threatening injury. Doctors have said that the road to recovery will be long and brain damage cannot be assessed until he wakes up from his medically-induced coma today.

Yes, just read about it on another site. His injuries to qoute one of the doctors, "Massa's conditon is life threatening, but stable". Hopefully, he's able to make a full recovery soon.

SilentEngine · 26th July 2009, 13:14

I don't think the crash itself would have had an impact, we have seen cars hitting barriers at much higher speeds before, but the difference is in all those cases drivers were fully aware of the crash about to happen. But in this case massa was unconscious when he hit the barrier. So that might have worsened the impact.

Here when the piece hit Massa's helmet he would have been doing easily 200+Kms/hour. At that speed even a small object can cause serious injuries, so imagine the impact of that spring which is of the size of a softdrink can. It's really unfortunate freak accident.

I still cannot understand how that spring ended up there? Was Barichello ahead of Massa in the track, if so by how much? Anybody has an idea about this?

jassi · 26th July 2009, 15:45

i missed the qualifying yesterday (was at the dentist) - when can i catch a replay, what time is the pre-race program today?

aaggoswami · 26th July 2009, 16:20

Some more info on the object that hit the helmet.

Source : Hospital says Massa's condition 'life-threatening' - Worldcarfans

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Felipe Massa is in a "life-threatening" condition on Saturday night after undergoing surgery on his fractured skull.

Brawn team boss Ross Brawn confirmed that the piece of Rubens Barrichello's car that fell off and struck Massa on the helmet at the Hungaroring during qualifying weighed 800 grams and is made of steel.

It resulted in the 28-year-old Brazilian driver sustaining a cut forehead, skull damage and brain concussion, and after surgery he is in intensive care in the central Budapest hospital AEK.

During a news conference, hospital medical director Peter Bazso said Massa's condition "is serious, life-threatening but stable", according to the AP wire service.

Chief surgeon Lajos Zsiros added that Massa is sedated and on a respirator, a condition that will continue overnight, and that he is expected to be woken up on Sunday.

Ferrari spokesman Luca Colajanni however denied that Massa is fighting for his life. He said the Italian team will issue an update on Massa's condition late Sunday morning.

The rear spring that struck Massa's helmet has been impounded by the FIA.

"A spring coming off and being in a collision four seconds later is an incredible circumstance and coincidence," McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh is quoted as saying by the BBC.

"You have to remember that motor racing is dangerous and that racing drivers are incredibly brave. It's all too easy to become blase about that."

McLaren Rulez · 26th July 2009, 16:29

@SilentEngine, I think some car picked up Barrichello's debris and flicked it into the air or barrichello was not far ahead. If you look at the video, another car is seen ahead of Massa.

gpa · 26th July 2009, 17:41

The KERS loaded cars shot off the line like scalded cats, with both Kimi and Lewis making up a good number of places. This is the best start I've seen from Kimi all season!!!

gpa · 26th July 2009, 19:21

Lewis Hamilton's KERS enabled McLaren won the Hungarian GP. Also, the best ever finish for Ferrari this season with Kimi finishing in P2.

A good drive by both Kimi and Lewis. Mark Webber finished 3'rd for RBR and the much talked about debutant Jamie Alguesari finished in P15.

McLaren Rulez · 26th July 2009, 19:27

Well my username says it all!

Dippy · 26th July 2009, 19:34

Good to see a Mclaren and Ferrari comeback. A composed drive by Lewis to take a win and Kimi's best performance this season, drove well to get second place. Mark Webber moves in on Jenson to make the driver's championship more close and exciting. Looks like the hype of Brawn GP is slowly dying down.

I hope Massa makes a fast recovery but it seems he will take a while and the speculation is that Mark Gene may fill in for him at the remaining races if he fails to race the remainder of the season.

danlalan · 26th July 2009, 19:35

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Well my username says it all!

They seem to be back. Took them 10 races but they are finally back. Hamilton and Mclaren have overpowered the rest of the grid today.

Brawn seem to have been on the backfoot this race.

SilentEngine · 26th July 2009, 20:12

Never expected Lewis and Kimi to finish where they did. Good drive from both of them. Both were no doubt helped by the KERS assisted start.

The championship is getting closer and closer at the top. Brawns are definitely going backwards. Webber vs Vettel battle should be interesting in the remaining races

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@SilentEngine, I think some car picked up Barrichello's debris and flicked it into the air or barrichello was not far ahead. If you look at the video, another car is seen ahead of Massa.

That looks like a possibility

fiery enzyme · 26th July 2009, 20:13

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They seem to be back. Took them 10 races but they are finally back. Hamilton and Mclaren have overpowered the rest of the grid today.

Brawn seem to have been on the backfoot this race.

+1 to that. I'm very happy.

26th July 2009, 12:05	#31
kbk_75 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,233 Thanked: 388 Times	Actually, this is where I disagree with what Steve Slater was saying on Star Sports (and I often disagree with the old man!)...the engine was not revving at high revs for sure. Don't forget high revs in an F1 car would be 15,000 - 18,000 rpm and the engine SCREAMS at those revs. For sure the accelerator pedal was depressed in Massa's Ferrari, but it was certainly not at WOT like some people seem to believe.
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26th July 2009, 12:12	#32
anachronix Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 3,286 Thanked: 1,336 Times View My Garage	A shocking accident! Thank God, Massa is safe. I am not sure how this could be avoided in future. But safety for sure should be validated on this perspective!
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26th July 2009, 13:14	#35
SilentEngine Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: KA19,KA04 Posts: 1,167 Thanked: 737 Times View My Garage	I don't think the crash itself would have had an impact, we have seen cars hitting barriers at much higher speeds before, but the difference is in all those cases drivers were fully aware of the crash about to happen. But in this case massa was unconscious when he hit the barrier. So that might have worsened the impact. Here when the piece hit Massa's helmet he would have been doing easily 200+Kms/hour. At that speed even a small object can cause serious injuries, so imagine the impact of that spring which is of the size of a softdrink can. It's really unfortunate freak accident. I still cannot understand how that spring ended up there? Was Barichello ahead of Massa in the track, if so by how much? Anybody has an idea about this?
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26th July 2009, 15:45	#36
jassi BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 980 Thanked: 12 Times View My Garage	i missed the qualifying yesterday (was at the dentist) - when can i catch a replay, what time is the pre-race program today?
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26th July 2009, 16:29	#38
McLaren Rulez Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Mysore Posts: 3,415 Thanked: 5,254 Times	@SilentEngine, I think some car picked up Barrichello's debris and flicked it into the air or barrichello was not far ahead. If you look at the video, another car is seen ahead of Massa. Last edited by McLaren Rulez : 26th July 2009 at 16:32.
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26th July 2009, 17:41	#39
gpa Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,789 Thanked: 342 Times	What a start for Kimi and Lewis! The KERS loaded cars shot off the line like scalded cats, with both Kimi and Lewis making up a good number of places. This is the best start I've seen from Kimi all season!!!
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26th July 2009, 19:21	#40
gpa Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,789 Thanked: 342 Times	First win for a KERS car-Hamilton wins Hungarian GP Lewis Hamilton's KERS enabled McLaren won the Hungarian GP. Also, the best ever finish for Ferrari this season with Kimi finishing in P2. A good drive by both Kimi and Lewis. Mark Webber finished 3'rd for RBR and the much talked about debutant Jamie Alguesari finished in P15.
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26th July 2009, 19:27	#41
McLaren Rulez Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Mysore Posts: 3,415 Thanked: 5,254 Times	Well my username says it all! Last edited by Rehaan : 27th July 2009 at 20:35. Reason: Please avoid 1-liner posts that add little value to the topic. Thanks.
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26th July 2009, 19:34	#42
Dippy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 7,600 Thanked: 2,782 Times	Good to see a Mclaren and Ferrari comeback. A composed drive by Lewis to take a win and Kimi's best performance this season, drove well to get second place. Mark Webber moves in on Jenson to make the driver's championship more close and exciting. Looks like the hype of Brawn GP is slowly dying down. I hope Massa makes a fast recovery but it seems he will take a while and the speculation is that Mark Gene may fill in for him at the remaining races if he fails to race the remainder of the season. Last edited by Dippy : 26th July 2009 at 19:39.
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