Pic of my Lancer DOHC

viper · 10th August 2007, 19:18

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Originally Posted by ported_head

I do not understand this. What is controlling the ignition then?

Hi,

I would safely guess the original ECU.

@ get_hiyyer_714 - Is the original ECU in the car or is it removed.

Viper

get_hiyyer_714 · 10th August 2007, 19:18

ported head - Ignition is stock map. there has been no refining is what I mean. but once I grow even richer (richer fuel I mean)..the spark timing alteration through the ECU is hoped to yield even better results.

Forgot to mention - the ride also has MSD

Viper - the original ECU is still in the car...Racedynamics ECU is a standalone unit.

ported_head · 10th August 2007, 19:28

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Originally Posted by viper

Hi,
I would safely guess the original ECU.

I would have thought that, but ECM for which engine, SOHC or DOHC?

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Originally Posted by get_hiyyer_714

ported head - Ignition is stock map. there has been no refining is what I mean. but once I grow even richer (richer fuel I mean)..the spark timing alteration through the ECU is hoped to yield even better results.

But, this probably means they are running stock ignition map on the RD ECM.

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Originally Posted by get_hiyyer_714

Viper - the original ECU is still in the car...Racedynamics ECU is a standalone unit.

This again is quite contradictory. I'm very confused now.

razor4077 · 11th August 2007, 00:58

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Originally Posted by get_hiyyer_714

The head itself costs somewhere around 35k.. but the customs is a rip off.

Because its a 2nd Hand engine...it comes underscrap and there is a lot of fine & penalty to be paid..

So RPW sells used engine heads?

On an avg, how much of duty needs to be paid (a % figure would work)?

I am a little confused too like ported_head. The Racedynamics chip is a piggyback, right? So can the stock (Indian) Lancer ECU drive a DOHC?
I apologize if I am sounding very naive here

v1p3r · 11th August 2007, 01:18

Race Dynamics ECUs are standalone units. However, I've seen installs where both ECUs, the RD and the OE, are present in the car. You can change by flipping a switch.

viper · 11th August 2007, 08:58

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Originally Posted by get_hiyyer_714

Viper - the original ECU is still in the car...Racedynamics ECU is a standalone unit.

Hi,

Can you clarify if the ECU units are switchable via a switch as Akshay mentioned and does the car start and idle with the Race Dynamics ECU or with the stock ECU which I assume is the Indian lancer ECU.

The RD ECU is an excellent product and is value for money but dependency on the original ECU & cutting of the OE ECU wiring was the only thing keeping me from going in for one. Not aware if both those matters have been solved/sorted out now as they are constantly developing something.

Viper

get_hiyyer_714 · 11th August 2007, 13:48

@ported head - RD ECU is intercepting with the OE injector signal. This interception is not happening with the OE ignition signal because of some firmware being updated. So once the firmware updated is done...I would be able to control my Injection Map as well as the Ignition Map.

There is a switch which jumps to stock MAP and self tuned MAP. There are certain spots in the stock MAP which are enhanced by this tuning.

faithless_1984 · 11th August 2007, 15:38

Pics....we need more Pics.!

Use Imageshack.us to upload them.

lancer_maniac · 11th August 2007, 16:04

Yeah..More pics Please

Ford Rocam · 11th August 2007, 17:20

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Originally Posted by get_hiyyer_714

@ported head - RD ECU is intercepting with the OE injector signal. This interception is not happening with the OE ignition signal because of some firmware being updated. So once the firmware updated is done...I would be able to control my Injection Map as well as the Ignition Map.

There is a switch which jumps to stock MAP and self tuned MAP. There are certain spots in the stock MAP which are enhanced by this tuning.

How is the RD ECU connected ? do you mean to say signals going from main ecu is intercepted by RD ECU & new values are given from RD ECU to enhance fuel/ign values ? well the piggy back system function this way not the standalone ! how do you come to know that you are at which part of load index this way?

adman77 · 11th August 2007, 17:44

I'd request Karthik to come and clarify things himself please.

get_hiyyer_714 · 11th August 2007, 19:16

As far as my understanding goes...the signal from the OE ECU is replaced with the RD ECU when performance mode is on. And when switched back to stock mode the base maps as per the Indian Lancer is running the CAR.

I think Karthik would be a better person to answer the intricacies of this.

To answer your query its not like a Haltech E6 where we have to replace the original ECU and run everything from Base. This is something which works in co-ordination with the OE ECU.

ported_head · 11th August 2007, 20:38

But wouldn't the ignition timing values differ for the SOHC and the DOHC head? In that case can you use Indian SOHC values?

As far as I know RD is a standalone. I can understand being able to switch completely between the OE ECM and the standalone or being able to switch between stock and performance maps. But how do you run values for fuel from one ECM and ignition on another. I am very confused. Karthik, help!

pawan · 11th August 2007, 21:23

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Originally Posted by ported_head

As far as I know RD is a standalone. I can understand being able to switch completely between the OE ECM and the standalone or being able to switch between stock and performance maps. But how do you run values for fuel from one ECM and ignition on another. I am very confused. Karthik, help!

the switching switch on the ecu is with the piggy back in which you can switch with 3 settings stock and other 2 not sure read about this long back on his site.

get_hiyyer_714 · 12th August 2007, 01:45

You are right ported head it will run ignition pattern of the stock ECU, till the firmware update which Karthik is working on. But however there were lean spots in the stock ECU Maps which are overcome through the fuel control. Its like running an Haltech F10X.

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get_hiyyer_714 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mumbai, Gurgaon Posts: 44 Thanked: Once	ported head - Ignition is stock map. there has been no refining is what I mean. but once I grow even richer (richer fuel I mean)..the spark timing alteration through the ECU is hoped to yield even better results. Forgot to mention - the ride also has MSD Viper - the original ECU is still in the car...Racedynamics ECU is a standalone unit. Last edited by ported_head : 10th August 2007 at 19:30. Reason: Please use EDIT function when posting within 20 mins to include all in one post.
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v1p3r Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR / DXB / LON Posts: 5,334 Thanked: 6,896 Times View My Garage	Race Dynamics ECUs are standalone units. However, I've seen installs where both ECUs, the RD and the OE, are present in the car. You can change by flipping a switch.
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get_hiyyer_714 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mumbai, Gurgaon Posts: 44 Thanked: Once	@ported head - RD ECU is intercepting with the OE injector signal. This interception is not happening with the OE ignition signal because of some firmware being updated. So once the firmware updated is done...I would be able to control my Injection Map as well as the Ignition Map. There is a switch which jumps to stock MAP and self tuned MAP. There are certain spots in the stock MAP which are enhanced by this tuning.
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faithless_1984 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Delhi Posts: 1,575 Thanked: 324 Times View My Garage	Pics....we need more Pics.! Use Imageshack.us to upload them.
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adman77 BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 383 Thanked: 4 Times View My Garage	I'd request Karthik to come and clarify things himself please.
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11th August 2007, 19:16	#27
get_hiyyer_714 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mumbai, Gurgaon Posts: 44 Thanked: Once	As far as my understanding goes...the signal from the OE ECU is replaced with the RD ECU when performance mode is on. And when switched back to stock mode the base maps as per the Indian Lancer is running the CAR. I think Karthik would be a better person to answer the intricacies of this. To answer your query its not like a Haltech E6 where we have to replace the original ECU and run everything from Base. This is something which works in co-ordination with the OE ECU.
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ported_head Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 2,387 Thanked: 20 Times	But wouldn't the ignition timing values differ for the SOHC and the DOHC head? In that case can you use Indian SOHC values? As far as I know RD is a standalone. I can understand being able to switch completely between the OE ECM and the standalone or being able to switch between stock and performance maps. But how do you run values for fuel from one ECM and ignition on another. I am very confused. Karthik, help!
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get_hiyyer_714 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mumbai, Gurgaon Posts: 44 Thanked: Once	You are right ported head it will run ignition pattern of the stock ECU, till the firmware update which Karthik is working on. But however there were lean spots in the stock ECU Maps which are overcome through the fuel control. Its like running an Haltech F10X.
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