[wheelguy]

Originally Posted by atluri_rkc

Bajaj clearly achieved the Mahindra moment (XUV 7OO) in 2-Wheeler industry - in terms of product offering, pricing, excitement and customer bookings.

The last thing I want is Bajaj to follow Mahindra success mantra to the T by subsequent price raises.

Same thoughts here, in fact I thought Bajaj might have took inspiration from the Mahindra XUV700's launch strategy and designed the Triumph 400's launch strategy.

[Venkatesh]

Triumph Motorcycles achieves 10,000 bookings in India within 10 days of the global launch.

[ska8erwrench]

Originally Posted by ChetanM6

Booked the Scrambler 400X impulsively. I have a YZF R3 and some people might opine this as a downgrade (2 cylinder to 1 cylinder) but with me growing old(mid 30s), I feel the R3's riding position is getting too aggressive for me . Anyways, I will TD the motorcycle when it lands in showrooms in October and then decide. Hope the Engine has enough torque at low revs.

Are you me? I am contemplating the exact same thing - Have an R3 which I am thinking of changing to the Scrambler 400X because of the riding position and pillion comfort. Will take a test drive and then decide on it. I have not booked the bike yet though will do it after the TD.

Maybe we can exchange notes on our TDs to have a better perspective and take an informed decision.

[jaganm]

As a Highness owner who is left wanting the little bit of extra grunt on the highway, the speed 400 sure has me eager and I have booked the speed model. However, 30 months of ownership of the highness has given me a lot of insight into the other great things about they Highness and I'll definitely want to do a proper test ride of the speed 400 before I decide on a swap. The factors that will be as important as the power are

- Ergonomics - The Highness has such sorted out ergonomics, both for the rider and the pillion. Everything from the rider triangle, the position of the pillion footpegs, the seat, the lean angle is just perfect for me. It is only on 500 km days that I feel that it is too much.
- Fuel tank and mileage - Though the capacity is 15, you can fill in more and I can literally do a Bangalore - Kanyakumari with just 1 tank and a popup
- Suspension - I've found the suspension to be extremely well sorted, handles any kind of road and even the infamous rumblers of Bangalore easily.
- Service - Honda service is the best in my opinion, dealers are super responsive and any problems when highlighted in the group are responded within minutes
- Accessories - there is quite an industry that has sprung up for accessories for the Highness
- Longevity - People have complained of rust etc but in 30 months, my bike still retains that new bike look. I also feel with the deliberate under performance that Honda designed for the bike will ensure it lasts a really long time. Bajaj bikes have a reputation of falling apart much faster

While I love the Highness, I do not think the manufacturer deserves my loyalty, given their lack of innovation and the reluctance to bring any of their offerings, not to mention their absurd pricing model. So, if the Triumph lives up to the initial hype and delivers something exceptional, I will be jumping ship.

[Ratan Prabhu]

Just came across a video of a motorcycle reviewer on YouTube who managed to touch 160 kmph on the Speed400 that too in fairly wet roads. That's a really good speed. Not promoting such speeds so not posting the video here. But bike's capability seems high. And considering the wet roads where he managed to do such speeds, it seems the tyres are confidence inspiring too.

As per that video, below were the top speeds for each gear :

1st : ~ 50 kmph
2nd : ~ 70 kmph
3rd : ~ 100 kmph
4th : ~ 120 kmph
5th : ~ 144 kmph
6th : Variable depending upon various factors but above 155 kmph

Just going by these numbers, I feel 100 to 120 kmph will be a very comfortable cruising speed for this bike all day long. Will wait for 14th July for confirmation.

[dsuman]

Fantastic pricing. Makes me want to own one. Unfortunately this is a Single Cylinder. My INT650 has spoiled me. Cannot bear a single Cylinder Bike anymore. But this is very good. Triumph is serious and wants to make it big. Kudos Triumph

[Senotrius]

Expected service cost of 4-5k according to this fellow after talking to the Triumph people. Let's see how it translates to in the real world.

[ani_meher]

In this video in above post, the anchor says that the first 10,000 units are sold so the introductory price of 2,23,000 is no longer applicable. But not every booking is a sale, I am sure there will be cancellations too. Additionally, how do those who have booked the vehicle know whether they fall in first 10,000 or not?

[RT13]

Originally Posted by Ratan Prabhu

Not promoting such speeds so not posting the video here. But bike's capability seems high.
1st : ~ 50 kmph
2nd : ~ 70 kmph
3rd : ~ 100 kmph
4th : ~ 120 kmph
5th : ~ 144 kmph
6th : Variable depending upon various factors but above 155 kmph

Just going by these numbers, I feel 100 to 120 kmph will be a very comfortable cruising speed for this bike all day long. Will wait for 14th July for confirmation.

Thanks for sharing. I checked it out. The bike seems to do it absolutely effortlessly and despite the conditions! I must admit, I didn’t expect that amount of proper shove! The way it did it, 130-140 cruising on open roads seems very comfortable. While I’d be curious to see what the bottom end of each gear looks like, this is starting to look like exactly what one needs for city too - the ability to pootle around in second and third without having to constantly shift and the amount of grunt it seems to have at the bottom end is starting to make it look ever better. Pretty nice engine note too for a single - arguably better than the CB300R, perhaps even the best from a single thus far. I’m glad I booked the Scrambler and although it was an impulse thing I’m starting to think it just may be one that I’ll follow through with.

[Ratan Prabhu]

Originally Posted by ani_meher

In this video in above post, the anchor says that the first 10,000 units are sold so the introductory price of 2,23,000 is no longer applicable. But not every booking is a sale, I am sure there will be cancellations too. Additionally, how do those who have booked the vehicle know whether they fall in first 10,000 or not?

Bajaj has confirmed that the introductory 10k discount is for first 10,000 customers who take the delivery.

So regardless of the booking position number being below 10,000 or above that, the first 10,000 to actually purchase/may payment/take delivery will get the discount.

And ofcourse, they will have a system in place to record the order of actual delivery. So to those who have booked it early and are happy, do ensure you be in touch with your showroom and take delivery whenever the bike is ready. Do not simply rely on the last 4 digits of your booking confirmation number.

[sprocket]

Originally Posted by Venkatesh

Triumph Motorcycles achieves 10,000 bookings in India within 10 days of the global launch.

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The statement "first 10000 deliveries" is a change from "first 10000 bookings" and a red flag for me. Now unscrupulous dealers can say, "saar your booking was within first 10000, but you are not in the first 10000 deliveries".

Triumph should learn how to manage introductory pricing from Mahindra. Customer needs to be informed about their booking details, pricing, eligibility for offers through a company managed portal. Otherwise we will keep seeing dealers taking customers for a ride/ and diluting the purchase experience.

[Ratan Prabhu]

Originally Posted by RT13

The bike seems to do it absolutely effortlessly and despite the conditions! I must admit, I didn’t expect that amount of proper shove! The way it did it, 130-140 cruising on open roads seems very comfortable. While I’d be curious to see what the bottom end of each gear looks like, this is starting to look like exactly what one needs for city too - the ability to pootle around in second and third without having to constantly shift and the amount of grunt it seems to have at the bottom end is starting to make it look ever better.

The torque curve is pretty linear. No major spike or bottom. 30nm+ of torque right from 3000 RPM itself. So I expect it to be a joy to ride in city without many downshifts. Should be comparable to RE350/FZ25/CB300F in terms of good low end torque.

Originally Posted by sprocket

The statement "first 10000 deliveries" is a change from "first 10000 bookings" and a red flag for me. Now unscrupulous dealers can say, "saar your booking was within first 10000, but you are not in the first 10000 deliveries".

Hey, not defending Bajaj/Triumph here. But I think they always said first 10,000 "customers". Now going by technicality, you become their customer when you actually purchase the bike after paying full price and take delivery. So, fair play ?

The booking amount was very low and fully refundable. So all would jump in to reserve their spot. And with potential cancellations, it may get difficult to arrive at the actual non cancelled first 10,000 bookings.

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[sprocket]

Originally Posted by Ratan Prabhu

Hey, not defending Bajaj/Triumph here. But I think they always said first 10,000 "customers". Now going by technicality, you become their customer when you actually purchase the bike after paying full price and take delivery. So, fair play ?

The booking amount was very low and fully refundable. So all would jump in to reserve their spot. And with potential cancellations, it may get difficult to arrive at the actual non cancelled first 10,000 bookings.

Absolutely fair to say that you need to pay. Also, agree with cancellations and allowing others who might not have secured the first 10000 to move up the delivery schedule and benefits as cancellations occur. However, how you manage that is the key!

Only concern that I wanted to highlight was fraudulent cancellations and excuses from the dealer end. That's why the suggestion was to manage it through the Triumph website/portal and not through dealers.

[ajay0612]

Originally Posted by Ratan Prabhu

The torque curve is pretty linear. No major spike or bottom. 30nm+ of torque right from 3000 RPM itself. So I expect it to be a joy to ride in city without many downshifts. Should be comparable to RE350/FZ25/CB300F in terms of good low end torque.

Torque curve of KTM RC 390 is also somewhat similar, Linear torque above 3K but drops sharply before 3K. So the response of Speed 400 is expected to be similar too. Laws of physics reign supreme. There might be little tweaking but I don't expect response like that of long stroke engine.

[Baristyro]

Reading the RC390 and Speed 400 torque curves, I don't see much similarity.

At 2500-2600rpm:
RC390: 6 lb-ft = 8.13 Nm
Speed400: 27 n-m
That's 3 times the low end torque on Speed 400 relative to RC390.

At 3000-4000rpm:
RC 390: 17 lb-ft = 23 Nm
Speed400: 31Nm
RC390 catching up, but still falling short.

At 4000-5000rpm:
RC 390: 19 lb-ft = 25 Nm
Speed400: 32Nm
RC is still revving up, while Speed about to hit boost.

At 5000-6000rpm:
RC 390: 23 lb-ft = 31 Nm
Speed400: 35Nm
RC has now entered its torque band, but still hasn't caught up to Speed torque-wise.

I think this is a world of difference when it comes to low end torque delivery, the maths says that the Speed 400 could be much more tractable compared to RC390.

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