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I would like to say that brakes play a major role that too looking at Indian Road condition- where suddenly some one would come from nowhere & you need to brake. With Manufacturer like Maruti who is a bulk player- I feel that they should take this as “vital Improvement opportunity” & replace/redesign the system to take care of all the customer who has brought this product. Things like Improvement opportunity take a back seat normally & now when you have so many issues’ going on in maruti, I get worried that whether this issue would be addressed in a timely manner but till that time comes the existing customer’s who have the product needs to suffer. Thanks & Regards Anupam | |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() Dear Lord, not that "put it in neutral before braking" debate again. There is a thread dedicated to that, please post there, guys. Kiran has a serious problem that seems to be shared across a lot of new Swift owners and these digressions will only take away from the main topic of discussion. Incidentally, I have never driven a diesel car for any sustained period of time but from my limited experience, didn't notice any significant difference in the braking technique vis-a-vis petrol cars (which I've driven for nearly 20 years now). So what was that comment about him "braking like a petrol owner"? |
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BHPian ![]() | ![]() I shift to neutral or a lower gear when I feel the engine resist the braking which happens mostly due to the high torque and almost always at about 1000 rpm. |
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| ![]() Overdrive had a comparo between 6-7 hatchbacks. they used the z variant of swift and stopping distance was 33.xx meters while the best was 26.xx and worst 36.xx meters. I wonder what it would be if they used the V or L variants |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() May be it is because of my lack of experience, I have never felt the need of shifting to neutral while breaking. I have tried shifting to neutral and break, while costing to a stop, but some how, i feel more comfortable breaking in gear than in neutral. I have done couple of long drives (including ghat sections) on couple of different petrol cars, but never felt any difference in breaking between petrol and diesel cars (90% of driving experience is on diesel cars, starting with our old Ambassador). I think irrespective of the car being a diesel or petrol, breaks should provide adequate stopping power. There is no point in blaming different 'techniques' because 90% of these cars will be driven by common man (ie - non-petrol\diesel heads) and when they press break pedal, they will expect the car to come to a stop. As @noopster have pointed out, "Kiran has a serious problem that seems to be shared across a lot of new Swift owners and these digressions will only take away from the main topic of discussion." |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Its a shame to hear about the poor braking in the lower variants of the new Swift, hope MSIL address this quickly. That kind of experience on a highway can be downright scary ![]() And now, before I forget all that I have learnt over three & a half decades of driving & braking in both Petrol & Diesel cars, I better get out of this thread! |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() let us not get side tracked on "how" to brake. is there any statistical data available for 100-0 time and distance for the gen 3 swift in any of the magazines? (w/o ABS and vis a vis time in Z spec). +1 to suman, i might soon forget all the breaking techniques learnt so far! Last edited by govigov : 12th October 2011 at 12:53. |
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| ![]() This is the reason why one should wait for at least an year after launch so that niggles with initial batches are sorted out. Of course "early-adapters" will protest but I will rather be safe with my cash than sorry. That said this is definitely not a niggle. Its a major issue. I can see Maruti issuing a recall for this issue. But given the ongoing tussle at its plants I am not sure when it will happen. Strange that they removed ABS from V variants. I mean if someone is willing to pay for it then whats the problem in providing the same. |
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Why don't you try it practically in a swift diesel (pref prev gen) before you reply? I am a swift owner with 73k driven - I am giving him a solution which works rather well in my experience at daily triple digit (or close enough) speeds. Are you implying that because it is not something you have experienced, or because it doesn't intuitively agree with your experience - it is not an attempt to help him? Dear Lord! Please read! I am just sharing what works for me every single day in the hope that he can use it right away. So what is your comment about? Dismissing it outright. Spare me. Quote:
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Let me give u another data point - a female friend (non techie common driver) who TD'ed my swift complained about the absolutely shoddy braking compared to her santro. Thereafter I demo'ed my driving style - and now she drives her Ikon TDCi in a very similar fashion. Quote:
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As always, any disbelievers can always hitch a ride with me in Gurgaon anytime and I will gladly demonstrate it. Which is why I asked Spadix to post here! | |||||
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My concern is about the common folk who presumably will not have access or know how to different techniques. What you have given is a workaround - there is no issues in giving a workaround, but a workaround is not a solution. Do you really think all these people who complained (including GTO) have raised the concern without a base? While you and all of us are here to give workarounds and possible alternate solutions, what about the common man who do not have access to the know how? Last edited by theexperthand : 12th October 2011 at 14:14. | |
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Never in my 1.10 lakh kilometers odd of driving Diesels have I ever had to switch to "Neutral" while braking. In fact, shifting to neutral & "coasting" is one of the worst diseases that plague a large number of drivers on our roads today ![]() And, to be honest, all this about how a person brakes a Petrol car versus a Diesel car is pure conjecture on your part methinks. Do let me know the number of kilometers clocked in a Petrol car as compared to the 73k on your current ride. I have never felt a difference in the past six years when I have been driving both the Diesel & the Petrol in-house, side by side. Lets not try to defend shoddy braking on the Swift. Can't say I've heard anyone else complaining about this on any other Diesel Car versus its Petrol sibling so why the Swift? It is just poor brakes IMHO, that's all. Last edited by suman : 12th October 2011 at 14:20. | |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Kiran thats a sad news. however when i tried it in city i found the braking ok sorts. but as you say highways is a different story. well if maruti is not solving this problem how about trying a performance brake pad from brembo or ebc or something similar? |
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| ![]() Brakes are The most critical part in an automobile which separates you from life and death in most accidents. Any manufacturer compromising on that is not fit to be in the industry. Cmon don't educate on a forum like team-bhp how to brake. For me this is totally involuntary. I won't even be able to put together the sequence. If a car is having bad brakes which is widely reported, accept the reality and get answers from the company. |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() Phamilyman, Your sarcasm is lost on me. I am also not taking your bait when say "Are you implying...?" Simple answer: Nope am not implying anything other than what I said, which I stand by. About the "hit the clutch when you brake" debate that I mentioned, well... don't take my word for it. This is the link: Also, a significant part of this more recent discussion. Pages 6 through 11 mostly. Appeal to mods: please clean up this thread. Kiran is an experienced driver and has a genuine problem. This debate can surely be continued in the other threads dedicated to this subject. |
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