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Old 1st November 2019, 09:56   #31
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I fervently pray for a time when all cars will sport mandatory window stickers like appliances (not a pun at the impending electric onslaught, honest) which contains information on how safe they are and how much they pollute.

It is not just the Nexons of the world which should sport the 5 star credentials but also 'stars' like the Redigo with its 1 star ignominy; prompting prospective customers to ask questions which should make the dealerships squirm
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Old 1st November 2019, 10:01   #32
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The entire list has been published, what I fail to understand is that Why Fido is rated 0 whilst Aspire is a 3 Star Rated ??

Also disappointed that Freestyle - Figo's brother will also most likely be 0 star !
The List of Indian Cars tested

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That 0 star rated Figo was the previous generation model. I think lack of airbags sealed its fate in spite of having a stable bodyshell. Since Freestyle is based on the next-gen Figo, I presume it'll also receive 3 star ratings like the Aspire. However, it is disappointing that the bodyshell integrity of the Aspire was found to be unstable.
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Expected press release from MSIL:

'The latest crash tests are unnecessary and are not applicable for Indian conditions... Yes it is true that we are able to sell competitively priced cars in Europe with the legislated safety features, but we do not have a market monopoly there hence this is necessary.

As per our own internal survey, all our customers who are first time car owners have found Maruti to be far safer than their previous two wheelers.
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While it is a positive thing to see Maruti improving from Zero stars to 2-3, they should stop talking about justifications like these. Instead work on the feedback provided and make improvements. When I saw the crash test Videos, I was actually pleased to see a rather intact passenger cabin of the WagonR and Ertiga. Upon this if they work on some improvements, it is possible to get at least one more star for each vehicle. Given the good supplier base Maruti has and the volumes they do, they can increase the safety features without charging a bomb. Improve the issues in structure in all variants and at least provide a top end variant with additional safety features. Wonder what is the big deal in doing so.

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Old 1st November 2019, 10:33   #34
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Is the test facility for GLOBAL NCAP located in India or the cars are sent abroad for the same.
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Tata Nexon for sure is a tank made for common man hope other cars catch up soon with safety rating.

Why isn’t Ecosport part of this test?

Whilst this test is pretty much enlightening, I see that those cars that is between 3-6L bracket cars aren’t well equipped to keep it competitive with pricing. But, not worth compromising on safety.

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Old 1st November 2019, 13:32   #36
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Pretty disappointing yet completely realistic and expected round of results. Anyone who thinks this was not on expected lines is living in a dream world especially with Santro. Hyundai might be giving car with better aesthetics but in terms of safety they are not very far from MSIL, at least in A/B segments.

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Cars are not sent for NCAP testing. They are picked up from market randomly by NCAP.
There have been rare cases where they are sent by manufacturer as well. Case in point is Nexon. It was rated 4 stars and TATA decided to work with NCAP and achieve 5 star and they did it in style.


What gets me worked up is this silly attitude to single out MSIL in every thread. This justification of MSIL being the bigger company so should focus more on safety is absurd and looks like a bad shade of Socialism. Rich guy should not be corrupt, but we common tax payers can do chota mota adjustments for income tax.

Expecting MSIL to take leadership in safety is one thing but blaming them for not taking is another. Hope people realize this.


PS: I don't have MSIL car. I don't even have their shares (Can't afford to buy them )
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We have a general understanding that cars on the same platform offer the same safety but this Rushlane compilation is a real eye opener. Renault Lodgy and Duster are said to be sharing the same platform, yet Lodgy got zero stars and Duster got three. Even more surprising is the case with Figo twins- Figo has zero and Aspire has three. Fords have this general perception of being solidly built but this shatters the myth.
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We have a general understanding that cars on the same platform offer the same safety but this Rushlane compilation is a real eye opener
That's also to do with the number of airbags, structural reinforcements and other safety systems in a car.

Duster with driver airbag came out with 3 stars. Duster without airbags scored a zero, same as the Lodgy (which was also without airbags). Similarly, Aspire scored 3 stars with 2 airbags while Figo was tested earlier and the base variant came without airbags at that time.

Here's a more descriptive list (not updated with latest test results though)

2019 Global NCAP crash tests - Ertiga, WagonR, Santro & Redigo-globalncapratingslistofindiancars20142018.jpeg

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Indian Crash Tests Vs Global NCAP tests:

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Every NCAP has its own protocol to crash-test and score cars, and so the results are not interchangeable. Euro NCAP, for instance, conducts full frontal, front offset, side impact and side pole tests. Global NCAP ratings, on the other hand, are based on front offset crash tests alone. A front offset crash test is designed to simulate a head-on collision between two cars. In the Global NCAP test, the car is driven at 64kph and with 40 percent overlap into a deformable barrier which is the equivalent of a crash between two cars of the same weight, both moving at 50kph.

A key point to bring in here is the difference in speed of the front offset test conducted by Global NCAP and Indian regulatory authorities. As per the Indian government’s latest safety norms (applicable to all new models since October 2017, and to all models on sale from October 2019), to be eligible for sale, a car must meet front offset and side impact crash requirements. The Indian government’s front offset test is conducted at 56kph which, though lower than the Global NCAP’s front offset crash test speed, is in line with the United Nations’ Regulation 94 for front impact protection. By extension, and this is important to note, it is possible for a car to meet latest Indian regulations and, hence be eligible for sale, and yet be rated poorly by Global NCAP. So, there is truth to a manufacturer’s press release after a poor showing in a Global NCAP test that the car in question ‘meets all regulations’. NCAP’s requirements for a good score are often superior to minimum regulatory requirements. Also, note, NCAP protocols change every couple of years to include more tests or features.
The establishment of an India-specific Bharat NCAP (later expanded in scope to BNVSAP or Bharat New Vehicle Assessment Program) has been spoken of since the time of the first Global NCAP crash tests in 2014 but nothing concrete has come of it as yet. India now even has the facilities to conduct the said crash tests so hopefully it’s a matter of time before industry bodies come together to make the program come alive. A crash test rating for all cars would put an end to often unfounded arguments for or against a model’s crash worthiness and would equip buyers with objective information to buy safe cars.

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Why isnít Ecosport part of this test?

Whilst this test is pretty much enlightening, I see that those cars that is between 3-6L bracket cars arenít well equipped to keep it competitive with pricing. But, not worth compromising on safety.

Source: Rushlane
This list is not accurate. Figo scoring 'zero'? It scored 4 star (Latin NCAP) according to this report https://www.autocarindia.com/car-new...in-ncap-414290
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This list is not accurate. Figo scoring 'zero'?
The Figo was "made in India" and was sold in the Indian market.
The test car had no airbags. It scored zero stars in the crash test conducted by Global NCAP in 2014.


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It scored 4 star (Latin NCAP) according to this report https://www.autocarindia.com/car-new...in-ncap-414290
The Figo mentioned above was "made in India" but was not sold in the Indian market. It is sold in the Latin markets.
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Disappointed with performance of Santro. Our official review has gone gaga over the quality of Santro comparing to others from same segment. Yet another proof that 'your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them'. This should be considered as an eye opener for Indian customers. We shouldn't go for aesthetically pleasing product alone. Great refinement, fit and finish and all the bling shouldn't be the only benchmark for purchasing a car. The fact that even humble Eon scored two stars without airbag scares me. Sorry for all the harsh words. Felt bad as I have recommended Santro to multiple people.
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Hello Hyundai, can you cut down on blinging up your cars with features and instead engineer your cars for acceptable safety for that cost?

With due respects to Team-bhp reviews, I always believe there is only so much one can review visually and by driving the car. The zillions of what goes underneath, only a detailed study such as the NCAP tests can uncover.

Here is where trust on the manufacturer comes into picture. The New Santro scoring lower than the WagonR, made me lose all the credibility I developed for Hyundai in the past few years by the way of seeing how well they are putting their interiors together, and the general finesse they were bringing in onto their products. Sad to know that manufacturers such as Hyundai spend most of their energy and focus on superficial aspects to deceive customers in India.

Can they get away in an educated country? It's like riding the fools as long as they get fooled. At least Maruti is better in this aspect, they openly declare that they make tin cans for want of better fuel efficiency and to offer safety better than what two wheelers can offer.

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The WagonR and Santro’s results are disappointing, but as expected.

What really disappointed me was the Ertiga. It’s not exactly a cheap car. If the similarly priced Brezza can get a stable crash structure, why can’t the Ertiga? And to think of it, this ‘family car’ with an unstable structure was crowned the Indian Car of The Year! One can now see why the 4-star Marazzo costs more.

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The WagonR and Santro’s results are disappointing, but as expected.

What really disappointed me was the Ertiga.
All three results are extremely disappointing. If these cars are BNVSAP ready (which they would be), SIAM has really lobbied hard by using the argument of "People are (relatively) safer in unsafe cars than in 2 wheelers"
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