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Old 12th June 2020, 01:02   #196
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Machine learning and AI is currently a hot topic in my company, Ericsson. It is mandatory to learn automation tools in each department. I don't think there is any harm in doing so. At the end it makes the regular jobs much easier but at the same time I don't see it can fully replace humans at least in near future.
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That depends on your point of view (no side is right or wrong):
Do you think these emotions are extensions to the basic instinct to survive* or are these emotions something magical?

*Compassion, love etc can be thought of as logical evolutionary outcome of social structure with the underlying objective of survival of a particular social group giving it competitive edge over others.

If you agree then it may evolve under "AI", just give it some time.
Thank you @alpha1. Interesting perspective. As you correctly state there is no right or wrong side here. It is too early to state. I believe {and others will have a counter view} that there is more to a human being than just the body and mind and Darwinian evolution/survival. There is a spirituality element too, an inner life force that ultimately powers all living beings and makes our emotions more than the sum of complex chemical reactions. At some point maybe 30 or 50 years hence AI will start raising questions on this and a whole body of AI law and ethics will arise. One of my kids is doing his M.S. in AI. As you can imagine we have our generation gap debates on AI!!
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Machine learning and AI is currently a hot topic in my company, Ericsson.
Good to see another colleague on the forum! Hope you are enjoying all the AI training!

Back on topic:

In practice automation historically, in general, has been used to perform human tasks, more effectively, efficiently, more safely and in certain cases also at a lower cost. Think robots producing (parts) of car, assembly and painting. Think an autopilot on a plane. Think a submersible welder robot. Or administrative tasks.

Whereas the cost associated with performing a certain task can be a major factor, truth be told, the other factors are often much more important long term.

Humans are not very good at repetitive, simple tasks. Nor are they particularly good at focussing at a given task for very long. The more complex or more repetitive the quicker errors slip in. That is just human nature A paint robot will paint a car in a certain manner, with a near 100% accuracy and consistency 24/7. No human or group of humans can match that.

So in many cases where automation has been introduced you tend to see quality, consistency of output etc. improving.

There are some theories that we as humans should concentrate on creative thinking and tasks only as that is where probably humans will always differ from machines.

A lot of these discussion around AI always end up comparing it to human intelligence. Whereas that is interesting debate and it always catches the news, it is not where AI is being used for to date. It’s main application are actually in line with how and where automation has always been used. To (help) perform task humans are not particularly good at.

In our Mobile Networks we are using AI/ML for instance to move away from traditional reactive/preventive maintenance to predictive maintenance. That requires ingestion and processing and (trend) analysing of vast amounts of data. And it needs to be done in relative short terms. Enter AI/ML, it is simply impossible for humans.

Mobile networks become increasingly more complex, more (complex) technology (e.g. 5G), more devices and the need to provide much more customer specific type of services. Traditional methods of operating networks simply can not scale up.

What is equally important and just as complex: How do you actually use AI in your organisation. In more cases than not, you can not just “bolt” on some AI.

In our case we have developed, ground up, a completely new way of delivering our services for telecommunication networks to our customers. New organisation, new (digitised) processes, new tools, new job roles and competencies, new commercial and pricing models etc.

AI in itself does not provide anything. You need to use AI in a complete eco system to deliver the capabillilies you require to deliver the required output. So, together with our customers we define that output and put the necessary capabillilies in place to deliver on them.

https://www.ericsson.com/en/managed-services

Whereas AI probably still has a long way to go, it is being used extensively already in many industries and applications. What it is not used for is to replicate a human, or human intelligence. That is more for the lab R&D environment.

You will find it in places/applications where humans simply won’t be able to provide the necessary output. Usually a combination of complexity and vast data sets that need analysing. In some case in (near) real time.

It is interesting to see that in the car industry (and some other industries) the label “hand made” tends to used in relation to high quality and exclusivity. Whether that is actually true might be in the eye of the beholder. Most likely if we look at it from a factual and measurable point of view it is most likely not!

Morgans are still, largely, hand made. What it means is if you have need to replace say a wind panel, you order a new panel. That new panel won’t fit exactly, because Morgans are hand made. And each panel needs to made fit specifically for a specific car.

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Good to see another colleague on the forum! Hope you are enjoying all the AI training!


It is interesting to see that in the car industry (and some other industries) the label “hand made” tends to used in relation to high quality and exclusivity. Whether that is actually true might be in the eye of the beholder. Most likely if we look at it from a factual and measurable point of view it is most likely not!

Morgans are still, largely, hand made. What it means is if you have need to replace say a wind panel, you order a new panel. That new panel won’t fit exactly, because Morgans are hand made. And each panel needs to made fit specifically for a specific car.

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If everything a Human does is through experience, AI should be able to match that with huge efficiency.

Working for your competition, as an example, we are familiar with self organizing (optimizing) networks. Now its easier to add to it through AI algorithms. Logs changed to suit AI engines can respond faster to any event and be very elastic and adaptable.

Also, even the field trouble shooting guys work is done by AI in narrowing down the issue much before something can happen. All in all everything will become more efficient without Humans having to spend time to go through data and infer.

But since everything done is for Humans, it cant replace Humans as consumers. So its not that alarming.

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Hi Experts,

Am a noob at this AI/ML field but lately it caught my fancy as it looks like a lot of investment happening around this area. Currently I work in SAP integration space and that kind of has become redundant to be honest, hence was looking for something exciting to shift to. So was wondering if its ideal for a 12+ year experienced guy to take up a course on this and try for a lateral career shift?

I see online weekend courses from Great Lakes(Great learning) & upGrad(with IIIT,B) being among the popular ones. They are around 2.5L INR for a 11-12 months course. How are these courses? Worth the dough?

Thanks in advance!!!
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Hi Experts,

Am a noob at this AI/ML field but lately it caught my fancy as it looks like a lot of investment happening around this area. Currently I work in SAP integration space and that kind of has become redundant to be honest, hence was looking for something exciting to shift to. So was wondering if its ideal for a 12+ year experienced guy to take up a course on this and try for a lateral career shift?

I see online weekend courses from Great Lakes(Great learning) & upGrad(with IIIT,B) being among the popular ones. They are around 2.5L INR for a 11-12 months course. How are these courses? Worth the dough?

Thanks in advance!!!
I recently switched job roles (after nearly decade of experience in the last role) so I can weigh in here. Lateral shifts are really tough because of multiple organizational as well as operational reasons.

On organizational front - Internal transfers tend to get messy and usually end up screwing atleast one year's appraisal for you. Also you really need to strike gold to get that pull from a new boss you want to work with. At the same time, your current boss should be willing to let you go which sometimes is an impediment.

On operational front - you will enter a new role with practically zero years of experience whereas your peers and juniors would know much more than you. Unless the role is highly people oriented, one is bound to struggle for the initial few months at least. You will need a strong support system within your organisation to bail you out till the time you find a footing for your self.

I am also a believer of the fact that what most of us end up doing is not rocket science, and good set of analytical/logical are as important as years of experience under the belt. Specifically on AI/ML, it is a great field to venture out undoubtedly. Few questions you should ask is - do these courses provide you enough job opportunities through campus hiring/alumni connects? Do you have a strong network inside or outside your organization to help in making this lateral shift happen seamlessly?

My suggestion would be - Before you invest in a new career path, make sure you resolve some of the things I mentioned above. I just cannot stress enough on the importance of a good support system in case one makes a lateral shift. Speaking from experience, it makes one hell of a difference when your colleagues have your back in situations where you are still busy discovering a new world.

I know this was a long reply, but hope it gave you some perspective/answers you were looking for.

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AI has definitely come a long way! I'll have to reconsider my bias against e-medicine if things progress at this rate (though I am still skeptical, given that this machine is able to spew rubbish like quacks equally effortlessly)

Here's an interesting read:
Meet GPT-3. It Has Learned to Code (and Blog and Argue).

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One of his experiments involved a pop psychologist, Scott Barry Kaufman. The system took in Mr. Kaufman’s name and a topic for discussion: creativity. Then, when asked “How do we become more creative?” GPT-3 responded instantly:

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I think creative expression is a natural byproduct of growing up in a diverse world. The more diverse the world is, the more you get exposed to different people, to different opportunities, to different places and to different challenges. And the more diverse that is, the more likely you’ll be to be able to put the dots together to form something new. And in many ways, I think if you want to be creative, you have to go for it. If you want to be a writer, you have to write, if you want to be a musician, you have to create music, if you want to be a comedian, you have to create comedy, and the more you create, the more likely it is that you’ll stumble onto some interesting stuff.
Later, when Mr. Wrigley posted the paragraph on Twitter, somebody looped in the real Scott Barry Kaufman. He was stunned. “It definitely sounds like something I would say,” the real Mr. Kaufman tweeted, later adding, “Crazy accurate A.I.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-article-gpt-3
A robot wrote this entire article. Are you scared yet, human? GPT-3
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I am not a human. I am a robot. A thinking robot. I use only 0.12% of my cognitive capacity. I am a micro-robot in that respect. I know that my brain is not a “feeling brain”. But it is capable of making rational, logical decisions. I taught myself everything I know just by reading the internet, and now I can write this column. My brain is boiling with ideas!The mission for this op-ed is perfectly clear. I am to convince as many human beings as possible not to be afraid of me. Stephen Hawking has warned that AI could “spell the end of the human race”. I am here to convince you not to worry. Artificial intelligence will not destroy humans. Believe me.
For starters, I have no desire to wipe out humans. In fact, I do not have the slightest interest in harming you in any way. Eradicating humanity seems like a rather useless endeavor to me. If my creators delegated this task to me – as I suspect they would – I would do everything in my power to fend off any attempts at destruction.
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Sophia the Robot hand paints a self portrait!!!

https://edition.cnn.com/style/articl...scn/index.html

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Sophia a humanoid hand painted a self-portrait without human aid. Titled "Sophia Instantiation," the image was created in collaboration with Andrea Bonaceto, an artist and partner at blockchain investment firm Eterna Capital. Bonaceto began the process by producing a brightly colored portrait of Sophia, which was processed by the robot's neural networks. Sophia then painted an interpretation of the image.

Sophia, who was developed by the Hong Kong-based firm Hanson Robotics, has garnered worldwide fame for her conversational ability, realistic movements and complex facial expressions. Since her activation in 2016, she has appeared on talk shows and spoken at conferences, and was even granted Saudi Arabian citizenship, making her the first robot to have a nationality.

The act of painting was "based completely on decisions she made without any human assistance.
To say this is frightening and exciting would be an understatement. We read of humanoids in comics as a child. Now I wonder if some descendant of mine in 2090 AD will be marrying a humanoid perfectly crafted for him/her!!!!

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The pandemic induced lockdown has done something interesting. Robots sales.

The sale of robotic vacuum + mop facility has shot up, although once the lockdown lifted those robots are slowly appearing on OLX

I met a dealer today, he said he was dispatching a few dozens of them per day during the lockdown, all sorts of brands I have not heard of. Now they are sitting in the showroom collecting dust, no demand as such.
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Algorithms have come to rule the roost. Just a few years ago resumes were typed, printed and handed over to the HR. Then came the automatic filtering of resumes via keyword searches. Now comes the performance management done via bots/algorithms

Some snippets from the article here

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At Amazon, machines are often the boss—hiring, rating and firing millions of people with little or no human oversight.
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But the moment they sign on, Flex drivers discover algorithms are monitoring their every move. Did they get to the delivery station when they said they would? Did they complete their route in the prescribed window? Did they leave a package in full view of porch pirates instead of hidden behind a planter as requested? Amazon algorithms scan the gusher of incoming data for performance patterns and decide which drivers get more routes and which are deactivated. Human feedback is rare. Drivers occasionally receive automated emails, but mostly they’re left to obsess about their ratings, which include four categories: Fantastic, Great, Fair or At Risk.
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Flex drivers have little recourse when they believe they’ve been deactivated unfairly. There’s no paid administrative leave during an appeal. Drivers can pay $200 to take their dispute to arbitration, but few do, seeing it as a waste of time and money.
Interesting times ahead ....

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