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29th March 2020, 23:45 | #241 |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 Good to see that Punjab is taking some steps, I hope others follow and restore some normalcy to the situation. It is completely possible for construction industry (one of the largest employer in India besides agriculture) to resume with precautions. It's possible for a lot of factories to resume with precautions. Why can't the electrician resume work and fix my fan? Why not let amazon deliver a water purifier or a vacuum cleaner if Zomato is allowed to deliver chicken curry? Social distancing is possible in all these scenarios, can very well be enforced as well. Every shop currently open in our area follows this, people are patiently waiting in queue. It is possible to sell even Jewellery or mobile phones this way, we just need to learn to do things differently and when given a choice between shutting down your shop of follow safety guidelines, any shop owner would control the number of people entering the shop. I took this picture a few hours ago. Medical shops are unaffected by all this shutdown and yet they follow the safety guidelines just like the super market, and every one who is walking into any store has to wear a mask, else they won't sell you anything. |
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30th March 2020, 00:03 | #242 | |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 Quote:
We just cannot have people deciding between starvation OR walking hundreds of kilometres in search of basic necessities. This virus has brought the best out of this country till now. But if the lockdown continues in the current format, the day is not far where the ugly side of humanity rears it's head. We do not want to be facing that in addition to the threat of this epidemic. | |
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30th March 2020, 01:24 | #243 | ||||||||||||
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 Quote:
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However, I'd politely disagree with the statement you make in bold above. The respective state governments have made efforts to allocate the necessary beds as and when the positive cases in a particular region began to intensify. Links for better understanding on the same are given here - 1700 bed hospital allocated in Bengaluru (on 22 March 2020 - 4 days before the lockdown); 500 beds across 3 hospitals in Mumbai (apart from the dedicated Covid hospital by Reliance - all at least 3 days before the lockdown); Delhi designates 25 hospitals for Covid on 03 March 2020; A 2,200-bed state-run hospital in Kolkata has stopped admitting new patients who are suffering from other diseases and was discharging patients whose condition had improved as part of efforts to create a dedicated isolation centre. A chain of 32 paramilitary force hospitals across the country, with a total capacity of about 1,900 beds, has been taken over by the government for isolation and treatment of COVID-19 affected patients (this was on or before 25 March, 2020 - the day of the lockdown). Oh and not to forget the Railways contribution to this. Please note that I have highlighted only the major hotspots because these were the primary places where Covid cases had been detected. It would not make sense for the government to start allocating beds for Covid in places where there were no detected cases, which is why I wouldn't attempt to draw any observation on the government's lack of preparedness from the anecdote you provide. However, if the places you speak of indeed are Covid hotspots, then I stand duly corrected and you may be right, our Government would seem to have erred. My point here is simply this (which is also why I seem to have shown a bit of rancour in my earlier replies) - statements like "zero preparedness", "less than 1 out of 10 for planning, thought and preparation" lean towards hyperbolism and are out of place on a respected forum like ours Quote:
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And with the most genuine apologies, I'd rather take WHO's word for this than anecdotal evidence. Another excerpt from another WHO situation report, issued on the 28th March 2020 - if you still believe the government is not acting during this lockdown time: Quote:
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The below is not for Narayan sir, but to those saying economic preservation is more important than the thousands of lives that we might lose: I find it ironic that you advocate for the death of millions (because that is what the estimates say, if there were no measures taken) by saying save the economy and let Coronavirus take its course, but now suddenly find it reprehensible that the government would let people suffer now while going home. Let me be clear, I do not advocate for either. But who let you decide that dying from Covid is easier than dying later in the aftermath? All the math proves that the deaths and economic downturn from an unchecked disease spread would be much higher than that from where no efforts were undertaken at all. A study on the same here, by well-accredited authors too. You can discredit the same by saying it's just a simulation/empirical study. But then, you have NO evidence to prove your claims that the economy would have been saved if we had taken milder steps. Comparisons to South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan would most definitely look unfavourable to India, just like comparing a Maruti Brezza to a BMW X5. The resources they have, the disciplined population they have, the incredibly efficient bureaucracy and workforce that they have, India stands no way at looking better off in any aspect whatsover. I concede this wholeheartedly. Measures like social distancing at public places, wearing masks, wash hands frequently, might work in uber-urban India, but not with a majority of the poor and downtrodden. Instead, I give you a new exercise. A nation whose President is of the same views as you lot. Not the US, but Brazil. A much more comparable scenario with India, you have to admit. I request you to please monitor Brazil's case with India's side-by-side. This, fascinatingly, looks to represent a real-life science experiment on the lives of billions, with India being the implementer of aggressive measures and Brazil being the control experiment of minimal measures (voluntary social distancing, isolation of only the aged population). No need to make 'ifs', 'buts' or 'what abouts', no hypothetical scenarios involved, just real life results. (A disclaimer: I am unable to determine Brazil's testing numbers, this would better help put things into context in a comparison with India) I have no idea what will happen over the next few days, but I do believe this will be my last post in this regard. If you think I'm wrong/I have offended you, I genuinely do apologize for my views. I hope we all come out of this smarter, more tolerant and more grateful for the things we have. | ||||||||||||
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30th March 2020, 04:08 | #244 |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 Social Distancing & Lockdown should have been a golden opportunity for digital payment apps like GPay, Phone Pe & PayTm to encourage people to go digital by having massive advertising campaigns. Most banks have asked its customers to go the cashless way but I don't remember seeing these payment apps doing the same. There are a few videos online asking folks to clean their hands after touching currency and in such a scenario, it would make lot of sense for us to only use these apps to make payments. Only problem is that except bigger stores, not many smaller guys still want to change over to digital payments. At least in my case, since the time of demonitization, we have come to an understanding with our local kirana store and we pay him monthly in cash - thereby minimising our exchange of money with him for each purchase. |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 Quote:
Please tell us, how are we going to build up capacities at the hospitals? And what do we the existing patients suffering from other ailments? I am so afraid of going to any hospitals just because of the crowds these get in usual days. People can delay their current complications but for how long? Don’t you think, many of these patients can turn serious due to lack of medical counselling? Yes, the Government has asked many private hospitals, and also some of the government hospitals have got isolation wards. Still, when I see a list of approved places for testing, most of these hospitals even don’t figure on those lists. Do you think any hospital can handle a patient without even a test kit? Things might have changed in the immediate past week though for good. Quote:
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Hope, the Government is not thinking of extending this further and on the contrary, they should try to start industry in places where there are no cases and maintain safety measures. The same guys who we see sitting or sleeping next to in crowded areas can do far better if they have food in their tummy and a roof over the head. Last edited by Turbanator : 30th March 2020 at 08:25. | |||||||
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30th March 2020, 08:41 | #246 |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 Guys, this lockdown will only buy time, it’s not gonna stop COVID-19 infections. As none of us has immunity to the novel Corona virus strain causing Covid, the virus will strike back. So a prolonged lock down will eventually result in a civil war kind of situation. The sensible way out is enforcing social distancing and trying to educate people continuously. By doing so we hope to get the infection in smaller numbers and once about 60% or more get infected, herd immunity may work. The disturbing fact is we are woefully short in testing people. In Kerala, the place where highest number of cases is reported, the people tested is 200 per million, the next one is Maharashtra 31 per million, while Bihar 1 per million. There lies the reason why we have less reported cases. I hope the government increase testing on war footage, if else disaster awaits. |
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30th March 2020, 09:04 | #247 |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020
Thank you for sharing. God bless the Sikhs. What social distancing can be implemented here or at the Delhi-UP border? A hungry stomach knows no rules. Some of us, sitting in our apartments with running water and groceries stocked are defending a lockdown imposed with zero preparation, notice or thought. Govt's are paid through our taxes to think these matters through. Last edited by Gannu_1 : 30th March 2020 at 10:57. Reason: Removing YouTube URL = repetition. Thanks! |
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30th March 2020, 09:41 | #248 | |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 Quote:
Here is what I base my views on in support of completely doing away with the lockdown:
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 Quote:
http://toi.in/OYgUMb/a31gj Another news from Bihar talks of an ultimatum given to doctors to work without protective gear or face action. Quote:
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Infractions: 0/1 (7) | re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 An MLA from Karnataka state comes out with his grandson to play on the open & traffic free roads. I wonder where are the back whacking police now. https://twitter.com/nkaggere/status/...800486400?s=20 Request moderators to remove the post if it doesn't belong here. |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 Quote:
Our elite country men have been talking of making thousands of ventilators a month and here we are, unable to provide good quality masks to the people on the frontline. My heart truly goes out to people who are braving all this without adequate protection. And I deeply deeply hope that what this news highlighted was just an exception rather than the norm. | |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020
There are certain new guidelines that were to be notified due to this Virus, this was as per a known who called a Bank to denote the blood. Don't know if it was some local initiative or from the central level and whether they have been notified or not. |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 Quote:
A restricted functioning is what we need. Not zero functioning. I have listed some solutions that came to my mind in my other post. And please let us not even get into the essentials and non-essential part. Roti, kapda aur Makhaan are not the only essentials for a human to survive. Just to give an example. Let us take a multiplex screening four shows a day. In this current scenario, we tend to think it is a non-essential activity. But there are 100 people who depend on it for livelihood and will come to the streets if their business does not resume. Restricted functioning will ensure that maybe there are two shows instead of 4 with only half of the capacity filled. That will keep the stakeholders going instead of a grinding halt to their business and livelihood. They might still crib about their reduced earnings, but we have no choice but to bear it to fight the invisible enemy. A complete halt to everything? Forget the virus. A million other problems will erupt/have already erupted. | |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 The photos in this article reminds me of the partition scenes in Gandhi movie. https://www.rediff.com/news/report/p...9/20200329.htm And there are elected representatives who want to shoot at sight against these people since they are coming out of quarantine. https://www.rediff.com/news/column/t...d/20200329.htm |
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